Lunaland [scammed] huntters payment 1,500,000 LLN ($79,402.50 current price)

[AB de Royse777]

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The last response to me from Lunaland team:

Dusko {Won’t DM first}, [28.08.21 20:27]
I have made the decision that due to the repeated verbal abuse by the bounty members against the project and against me personally that none of them will be paid on principle. I am neither afraid of you or any of your bounty members. On principle they will not be paid for the horrible shit they have said against the project. I don’t have unlimited time to check bounty stakes and pull our cheaters who comprise probably 80% of the bounty. Hence the delay, but due to these actions of these individuals none will be paid. Bounty has been voided as per the clause of management in the bounty rules.

Latest chat screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/A8rFpg5

tl;dr;
From 4th August since I have given them the final sheet they were making accusations after accusations. Until today, I was considering them somehow valid, but after the last message it's clear that all of it were excuses. They were doing it to find a way, to convince me that the hunters are in fault here, and they do not want to pay the hunters.

Their first accusation: The bounty campaign did not make them money, so they will reduce the allocation. In their word,

Dusko {Won’t DM first}, [04.08.21 13:54]
ok will check and then advise you once I have checked. I aim to pay out by tomorrow, but will need to let you know that allocation is going to be less than 1.5 Million

Dusko {Won’t DM first}, [04.08.21 13:54]
I need to do the calculations how much the campaign helped us raise presale, and also now our price has increased significantly so need to recalculate total token pool

After my disagreement, I suggested them to review the works and let the good hunters to pay. They agreed.

Their 2nd accusation: The hunters will dump their token/project. I said to them that the hunters need to get paid, and I explained why they need to get paid. Lunaland team agreed that they will review the work and let me know on the next day (August 10th).

August 13th I asked for update, they wanted more time.
August 14th I asked for update, they wanted more time. The excuse was that they are too busy with the project, and that made sense to me. We had some price movement chat about their project, and they wanted time until the end of the week.
August 17th, we had some other chat and promised me that they will work out final allocation after checking the sheet.
August 22nd, after asking them about the progress they asked me a lot of question about how to check the reports and our conversation ended with giving them instructions.
We continued conversation ... I was putting pressure
August 27th pressure increases and they were due to done reviewing by that day. In the meantime, with many more accusations

Their 3rd accusation: On their last AMA the hunters accused their project of being a scam…

From 28th morning (today) I was chasing them until I got the reply that I quoted at the starting of the topic.

And finally, when I am working on creating this topic they have more to say:

You obviously don’t know your own rules of your bounty. We get the final say and based on how you’ve handled your bounty hunters I’m not surprised that the bounty was abysmal. Do what you have to do and be quick about it and stop wasting my time

It's pointless to reply there.

ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346079.0
User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3347616
Project: https://www.lunaland.io/
Socials:
https://www.facebook.com/LunaLand-104535581879219/
https://twitter.com/IoLunaland
https://t.me/lunalanddotio
https://www.instagram.com/lunaland.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lunaland/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFZksXwohPMzE7OyZiKRg
https://discord.gg/HakqTNyTdU

Scammed amount: 1,500,000 LLN
In current market price $0.052935*1,500,000= $79,402.50
Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tzbABCq
Live price chart: https://www.livecoinwatch.com/price/LunaLand-LLN

The project team is clearly a scammers, the same goes with the project.

I am going to tag their account and going to update here with the flag.

[AB de Royse777]

Please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2820

Bounty payment sheet (Payment Sheet ALL): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZK7T7rU6z0yuKSZeWyIi_Znle8Dpze0ocLiS7WIY9Mg/edit?usp=sharing
Bounty thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348797.0

Scammed amount: 1420111.11111152 LLN ($75,173.58) to be exact according to the bounty sheet.
The above amount on the OP was total allocation for the bounty.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Man, that's a sad story.

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins, since they mint them from a thin air anyway?

That way there will be no stupid bending of rules by the scammers like they did.

Tagging and supporting the flag.

[AB de Royse777]

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins?

It's completely legit question. Yes they can of course, but think from their side from the side of a genuine team. For them, the token worth a lot. They have no idea how the community operates. Who are trusted members. Anyone with forum experience knows who to trust, but for a newbie it's totally a different place.

Remember the topic about Small Rabbit? I had some explanation there:

A 10 month old Member account has no value. He had no reputation, I don't know how he got someone to hand over $25,000 (or how much was it?). It just shows how dumb the entire bounty-scene is, and how much money they all "earn" out of hyping BS.

Even I find it hard to convince a project team to escrow the tokens sometimes. For example, in one of my campaign (Koinomo) yesterday it took me long chat to convince the team to send the coins to me which worth $100k according to their presale price. Still they want me to lock the tokens (how it's done I don't know much, but they will show me how maybe today) though.

It just shows how dumb the entire bounty-scene is, and how much money they all "earn" out of hyping BS.

When a project representative comes to a bounty manager, most of the time they basically have no idea how the community works. All they see is a good ANN thread, portfolio, management service charge if this is lesser than others. Very few guys take their time and investigate the person they are dealing with. Most of the time it requires long conversation to show them the differences you (as a manager) have than other guys.

Lately, I am in fact putting pressure to teams to send tokens in my possessions. Most of the time, it just does not work the way you want, by the way.

I may talk to other campaign managers that we need to have a common practice, which is to ask project teams to send the tokens to us before starting a campaign. A manager must ensure that the tokens are in his possession or someone highly trusted on the forum is holding the tokens. Here, another concern will be what if the team do not pay the escrow the fees to distribute the tokens? In this case, my suggestion will be:
1. If the token price worth good money then the escrow will sell some tokens to cover the fees and rest will be distributed to the hunters
2. If the token price do not worth anything, then the tokens are just burned I guess.

[Cornia]

I personally trust Royse777 very much. I have participated in almost all of Royse777's campaigns. But it is very sad that some of his campaigns have problems with payment. For example, LunaLand scam, DogePorn did not pay, Hunters thousands of complaints about CoinChum's payment. So I think bounty tokens should be escrowed like Neoxcard campaign. Otherwise your reputation will be ruined gradually. Bounty hunters don't want scam accusation, they don't want any report, they just want payment for their time and labor. LunaLand has run two bounties at the same time.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346492.0  - managed by TheAndy500
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348797.0  - managed by Royse777.

So the amount of total scam will be more.

[Snappycoco]

Two scam project again abusing this forum by hiring and not paying. First was Shrew campaign and the next week this Lunaland came out of nowhere. All with the same credentials being from UK and same style of promotions. Dusko by the way worked with Shrew Advisory Board first then came up starting his own. No question why these two act the same.

Santhosh | LLN Team will never DM First , (08.07.21 09:35)
 Dusko worked in the advisory board of Shrew. Do you even know that?

[Bitstar_coin]

Man, that's a sad story.

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins, since they mint them from a thin air anyway?

That way there will be no stupid bending of rules by the scammers like they did.

Tagging and supporting the flag.

Exactly my thoughts,  clearly this bounty was pronounced as weekly payment bounty which means participants are to get paid every week before the next week campaign commence, if that was not implemented in the beginning then there is no need to blame a scammer for refusing to pay now that project is successful and doing well,
It's about time escrowing bounty funds is taken seriously, this goes to other bm's as well, opening scam accusation afterwards don't usually serve any good. The hunters will just accept it.

[TheUltraElite]

Sadly there is nothing more to do here. The account being flagged also seems to spew a lot of delusional posts in the their last posts, clearly showing that they have no intention to run the project in a legitimate manner.

Who is to blame for this? I would say every person who believe in such projects. If they are spending time on such a project making is popular on social media, writing articles (the other bounty campaign) then one must have a reason to back their beliefs. Problem is that most hunters just join in because it is free and attempt a zero sum gamble.

Have supported the flag but this will never bring back the time and effort the bounty hunters had put in and I doubt if majority of hunters even understand clearly what a flag is here.
I think if @TheAndy500 would also add in their comments about this, it would be good for the community. I have seen more than one bounty being done, but I would like to hear what the previous manager had been through. But they have been offline for sometime now.

[JohnBitCo]

Man, that's a sad story.

I have a question (forgive me, I have no experience in bounty management). Can't those guys first get the tokens into a trusted escrow before the bounty campaign begins, since they mint them from a thin air anyway?

That way there will be no stupid bending of rules by the scammers like they did.

Tagging and supporting the flag.

Exactly my thoughts,  clearly this bounty was pronounced as weekly payment bounty which means participants are to get paid every week before the next week campaign commence, if that was not implemented in the beginning then there is no need to blame a scammer for refusing to pay now that project is successful and doing well,
It's about time escrowing bounty funds is taken seriously, this goes to other bm's as well, opening scam accusation afterwards don't usually serve any good. The hunters will just accept it.

As i see this, the bounty was only for 3 weeks, so people didn't care much if they announced to pay the token after end of three weeks.

What i have seen mostly that if the token gains value, the project owner, don't want to give valuable token free of cost to the bounty hunter. They forget that it is because of these bounty hunters the token gain popularity on social media and here on bitcointalk.

[AB de Royse777]

Holding the tokens by the bounty manager (when he is highly trusted) or by  a trusted escrow before launching the campaign is the best solution for this type of situation in my opinion. I do not see any other better solution. If any other manager have a better solution, then I would love to hear it.

When holding the tokens by the manager/escrow, we need to give the project team the condition that they will need to send the ETH/BNB whichever it needs to distribute the token to the hunters at the time of distribution. Or manager will take action against them and even can tag the project.

In the case of a failed project, we may see that the team will not contact or response the manager to send the fees. Since the token are dead, they may stay in manager or escrow's wallet, or they can just burn it. In the case of a successful project and the token price are significant, then the manager or escrow can sell some tokens to cover the tx fee for distribution.

All managers need to practice this, in fact make it a common policy for all. If a manager do not take the tokens in their possession, then for any accident like this the manager will be liable.

Lunaland is coming with more excuses to justify their scam now. I have advised them to continue here if they have anything to say. If any more messages come from them on my Telegram then I will just block them.

By the way, I would request everyone to report their social channels so that those platforms take down the channels.

Socials:
https://www.facebook.com/LunaLand-104535581879219/
https://twitter.com/IoLunaland
https://t.me/lunalanddotio
https://www.instagram.com/lunaland.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lunaland/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPfFZksXwohPMzE7OyZiKRg
https://discord.gg/HakqTNyTdU

The public announcement on their telegram was this : https://t.me/lunalanddotio/53686

🚨❗️Bounty Announcements - Bounties Voided ❗️🚨

This is an announcement that the Royce bounty has been voided due to the horrible behaviour of some of the participants while they were waiting for our project to finalise calculations of the bounty distribution.

The members have hurled abuse towards me personally and the project while we were in process of calculating distributions for the bounty.

This bounty has faced significant issues while it was running during our presale, with many bounty hunters trying to cheat the rules to get a free allocation of tokens for no work.

We have tried to check and verify the work, but this has also proved difficult due to lack of proofs provided or the way the bounty was managed.

I wanted to be fair and allocate tokens for those that did the work fairly, but given that the situation has not gotten out of hand, I am voiding the bounty as per the rules of the bounty that the management of the project has final say.

To me, their final post was:

I have made the decision that due to the repeated verbal abuse by the bounty members against the project and against me personally that none of them will be paid on principle. I am neither afraid of you or any of your bounty members. On principle they will not be paid for the horrible shit they have said against the project. I don’t have unlimited time to check bounty stakes and pull our cheaters who comprise probably 80% of the bounty. Hence the delay, but due to these actions of these individuals none will be paid. Bounty has been voided as per the clause of management in the bounty rules.

Last night I saw the video of the AMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTRgj5vwQ60

One hunter was asking about the bounty and telling them negative post in one comment.

[minagul]

Lunaland team scam. Don't invest this project and everyone should report their social media

[UmerIdrees]

The last response to me from Lunaland team:

Dusko {Won’t DM first}, [28.08.21 20:27]
I have made the decision that due to the repeated verbal abuse by the bounty members against the project and against me personally that none of them will be paid on principle. I am neither afraid of you or any of your bounty members. On principle they will not be paid for the horrible shit they have said against the project. I don’t have unlimited time to check bounty stakes and pull our cheaters who comprise probably 80% of the bounty. Hence the delay, but due to these actions of these individuals none will be paid. Bounty has been voided as per the clause of management in the bounty rules.

Ask them to proof if any of the bounty hunter has posted anything against the Project. All the bounty hunters always write in the favor of the project on the social media. They are only using lame excuses to not to pay the participants. But if the bounty hunters unite and report their telegram, twitter handle and post about their reality, im sure they will get a dent in their progress.

Please support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2820

Flag supported.
I will request all the bounty hunters to support the flag, currently only few are supporting.

[AB de Royse777]

Ask them to proof if any of the bounty hunter has posted anything against the Project. All the bounty hunters always write in the favor of the project on the social media. They are only using lame excuses to not to pay the participants. But if the bounty hunters unite and report their telegram, twitter handle and post about their reality, im sure they will get a dent in their progress.

There are no point asking them about it. I have watched the AMA last night, I had to fast-forward it all the time. All I was able to see that there was only one user who talked about Lunaland has cheated with the hunters.


https://youtu.be/zTRgj5vwQ60?t=1112
By the way, they are already doxxed.

Now the latest is on the telegram he is questioning my way of work, and he is trying to blame me that I did not do my job properly etc. I requested him not to message me again, but he continued. So he is blocked from there. If he has anything to say, then he will need to say it here.

[TopTort777]

I like the part “ I need to do the calculations how much the campaign helped us raise presale, and also now our price has increased significantly so need to recalculate total token pool”. As if turns, that if with hunters help they would have risen more, they would have paid hunters a bonus  Or if the price would go down, they would recalculate also. What a shitty ceo.

[nutildah]

Again, so soon?

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To me, their final post was:

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Bounty has been voided as per the clause of management in the bounty rules.

Found the rule because it was part of the pinned message in the Telegram channel.

LunaLand has run two bounties at the same time.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346492.0  - managed by TheAndy500
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348797.0  - managed by Royse777.

So the amount of total scam will be more.

Not sure if that's true yet.



Sounds like he is experiencing health problems, from what I gathered.

Now I'm not saying none of Royse's bounty hunters deserve to be paid, but I do have to wonder what the team was so angry about them in particular for.

Weirdly enough some of them have been paid.

kunnu received 1,100 tokens from the LunaLand deployer yesterday.

The LunaLand deployer has also sent tokens to:

dwinrs
zachyboy090118
Manish2809

and many, many others -- though most of them seem to be participants in TheAndy's bounty. You can check for yourself here:

https://bscscan.com/address/0x0b2c41768a40b3ae6820bd52c5532720723c5bd1#tokentxns

[m.rifki]

It's unfortunate that starting from the allocation reduction that doesn't match what is stated in the LUNALAND bounty thread, SHREW is also the same, there is a reduction in allocation, maybe there are some who get paid from SHREW but those who work on the signature campaign don't get anything, and those who try ask privately to the SHREW team got an unpleasant response with them being blocked without a good answer. Lunaland is even worse, the developers deliberately run away with various reasons that don't make sense and ignore all of us who have worked as they asked.

I'm also disappointed with Manager @TheAndy500 since the news of the reduction in allocations from two projects namely SHREW and LUNALAND, in contrast to Royse777 who until the end of the project still cared about bounty hunters, @TheAndy500 was completely silent and didn't care about us, then DUSKO with his reasons which makes no sense blaming the bounty hunters asking about the clarity of project allocation, I hope these two projects get what they deserve for their fraud, I personally thank Royse777 for a good job and care for the bounty hunters.

[bakasabo]

I have participated in Lunaland bounty campaign with Andy500, but havent got the reward. The last thing I saw in bounty chat people were saying that how happy they are that in Royse777 campaign they are getting paid and how bad our situation is with Andy500. But in general everything turns that both campaigns turned scam. So the total amount cheated is more than 1,500,000 LLN.

[examplens]

Again, so soon?

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To me, their final post was:

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Bounty has been voided as per the clause of management in the bounty rules.

and I am surprised that this is happening again in the Royse777 campaign.
Royse777, I saw you started with workshop training for your bounty hunters, it's not a bad idea to filter out better quality hunters, but you definitely need to do better checks and have a better deal with campaign owners. this trend can certainly affect the future reputation and quality of your campaigns, and this does not attract more quality influencers.

It's unfortunate that starting from the allocation reduction that doesn't match what is stated in the LUNALAND bounty thread, SHREW is also the same, there is a reduction in allocation, maybe there are some who get paid from SHREW but those who work on the signature campaign don't get anything, and those who try ask privately to the SHREW team got an unpleasant response with them being blocked without a good answer. Lunaland is even worse, the developers deliberately run away with various reasons that don't make sense and ignore all of us who have worked as they asked.

I'm also disappointed with Manager @TheAndy500 since the news of the reduction in allocations from two projects namely SHREW and LUNALAND, in contrast to Royse777 who until the end of the project still cared about bounty hunters, @TheAndy500 was completely silent and didn't care about us, then DUSKO with his reasons which makes no sense blaming the bounty hunters asking about the clarity of project allocation, I hope these two projects get what they deserve for their fraud, I personally thank Royse777 for a good job and care for the bounty hunters.

They blaming bounty hunters because it suits them not to pay rewards. I saw on TheAndy500's group that some of the hunters ^{from the Shrew campaign} are paid off or at least partially. I'm just surprised there are no answers from the manager with reports and updates.

[TalkStar]

There are no point asking them about it. I have watched the AMA last night, I had to fast-forward it all the time. All I was able to see that there was only one user who talked about Lunaland has cheated with the hunters.

Personally I will suggest you not to take this type of project who have no trust on your service and fear to keep their bounty rewards (Token) on your hand. If they are hiring you as their bounty manager then obviously they should give you the freedom of keeping participants rewards. Sorry to say that its not only like that by doing this they are just losing their own reputation but also its gonna put affect on your service reputation too.

I can share one short story from my side where one of our forum bounty manager stole bounty rewards and didn't distributed properly. In that case I have contacted with the team and took step to start the distribution. They told me that they stopped their distribution after checking the final spreadsheet. Its because manager have added multiple account of his own and that was detected by them. After a long conversation with them they agreed to distribute the rest of the tokens and distribution was completed under multiple forum members surveillance. specially I wanna give thanks to all my forum mates who helped me that time to start the distribution process. After few weeks team distributed their tokens and I have withdrawn accusation against team.

But your one is different story and your suggestion for other managers is also accepted by me. More or less it is bounty managers responsibility to maintain proper rewards distribution by keeping the amount of rewards in advance or safe hand.

I will take a look on this project again and hope they will try to get listed on some popular exchanges. I will try my best to notify multiple exchanges who have worked with me and working currently. Hopefully they will reject their listing application after knowing that this project haven't distributed their bounty tokens yet. Lets see where the apply and when.

Do not hesitate to give me PM if you need further assistance from my end.

[RapTarX]

and many, many others -- though most of them seem to be participants in TheAndy's bounty. You can check for yourself here:

If the reward for TheAndy500 is being distributed, why not Rouse777's one? Beside, this is weird that this project had two campaign running at once. How did they evaluate the worthiness of a campaign? I guess no way to evaluate the effectiveness. Haven’t seen such a project.

Personally I will suggest you not to take this type of project who have no trust on your service and fear to keep their bounty rewards (Token) on your hand. If they are hiring you as their bounty manager then obviously they should give you the freedom of keeping participants rewards. Sorry to say that its not only like that by doing this they are just losing their own reputation but also its gonna put affect on your service reputation too.

I believe most project would simply not hire a manager who looked for escrow the fund. There are Hhampuz & yahoo62278; two best & most trusted campaign manager. I haven’t seen them to escrow the fund as well. There's a risk always that campaign manager will scam. Project owner mostly don't know how the forum trust system works. They wouldn’t even care how much postitive feedback you have and the depth of the feedbacks. So, most likely, they would like to distribute the rewards themselves.