Affiliates (Paid Streamers) - Fair or Not to other non-paid gamblers?

[zanezane]

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He has the option of getting sponsorship; he's well-known on the platform, so it should be easy for him to find a sponsor, right? Very unfair.

That's exactly what he should've done if he wanted to be fair for him with other sponsored streamers but he goes on and rants about this BS that it's unfair, it's like saying don't do pay to win in a pay to win game.

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[cafucafucafu]

Definitely not fair. I have been a strong advocate against this stuff since day one.

It's not fair for other competing streamers nor the consumers who are actually having to watch this stuff. It's misleading advertising at best and fraud at worst given that what they are doing is enticing people into playing with a misrepresentation of the chances that you are able to win at their games.

I would avoid any casino that pays for these streaming partnerships with play money, and any streamers that knowingly complies with these agreements.

[Kakmakr]

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up. 

Also, Syztmz is not the target here... he is just an example of someone that are not being paid by the casinos... and you see "raw" gambling and emotions with him, that you will not see with paid gamblers. (Your emotions are totally different when you play with your own money)

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) 

[danherbias07]

Obviously it's not fair if you are the gambler (not paid) to stream. Imagine if they have the knowledge that the funds that should be in the pool are just being given away to paid streamers. I don't have much knowledge about this but is there a chance those paid streamers could win the prize pool?
If they can, that will be a fucked up gambling site.
So now I know why this other guy made a thread about finding a list of Twitch and Youtube gambling streamers. He may really want to just avoid them and have a fair and enjoyable game.

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) 

Who knows? Can we ask gambling sites about this? I mean, they might answer it but I doubt it will be the truth. Perhaps they could use transactions records that will be transparent to the players about funds given to paid streamers and the prize pool as another contract address that will not be moved unless there's a winner.

[imstillthebest]

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

i think you are funding them but i guess there are still a way for a small bettor to win in this type of slots because if not then it doesnt make sense to play on them . streamers that are paid to play have no risk but they can only earn at the end even if they loose in the slots game .

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

thats interisting but if we look at it ,
 he could still be a loser at the end because he uses his own money and the other doesnt although he looks like a big gambler and he can potentially snatch the prize pool if he gets lucky .

[Kittygalore]

It's fair because non paid streamers wanted to play at those casinos not wanting the site to sponsor them it's a bit of a snowflake situation in regards to what that streamer says in his live stream, it's his choice so why get mad over that idea that it's unfair.

I think that's the case here, I mean why would you rant about yourself not being sponsored by the gambling sites that you're playing on when you voluntarily wanted to not get one? I think he's probably mad that those streamers are richer than him in some way.

[davis196]

The online casinos want advertising.Social media influencers and streamers can provide them with traffic and eyeballs,so the casinos are paying for that advertising.Gambling with money that came from the casino doesn't seem unfair.Perhaps this is a requirement made by the casino.
The casino owner might say to the streamer "Look,we will pay you X amount of crypto/USD,but you have to bet a part of that money and broadcast yourself while gambling on our platform,otherwise there's no deal."
Is this unfair?No,if the casino is legit and the games are "probably fair" then I don't see a problem.
At the end of the day,gambling is all about luck,so competition doesn't matter than much.
The problem occurs,if the casino is doing sketchy stuff and the games are made up,so particular people could win.

[Oasisman]

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?) 

Probably yes. Think of it that they're an accomplice with the online casino. They'll bet huge amount leaving the other players with almost no chance of winning.
Nevertheless, why does people keep following these paid streamers. I mean there are obvious one, which was different that has been mentioned by the OP about identifying a genuine reactions from non-paid streamers when winning or lossing.
Well people follows paid streamers, maybe because of the giveaways, but crap people are actually believing that winning in the casino is as easy as those they've seen streaming on Twitch lol.

[arallmuus]

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up.  

Apart from this, sponsored fund streamers usually play with huge balance and tend to waget atleast $100 on each spin so some people loves that. In term of entertainment purposes, it far more entertaining to watch someone play with a high amount so most of sponsored fund streamers usually get alot more share of viewers on their stream

The question has not been answered yet... "Do the paid gamblers/streamers, suck out all the winnings with casino money?)  

There has been some wild rumours back then that most sponsored fund streamers usually has higher RTP compared with the other regular player because the sites want to induce the viewers that they can win quite often in those sites which is why most of those sponsored fund streamers ended up winning like atleast 5-10x of their starting balance easily

[AicecreaME]

Obviously, paid streamers to promote certain gambling sites will always win if he use that money on that certain casino but will never be able to withdraw that money, instead the casino will pay different money to that streamer, that's the truth behind it.

Is it fair to those who are not paid? Well, my opinion about that is no. Gambling houses never made to be fair, the odds are always on their side, because that's how it works, that's why gambling has a huge risk when playing. For you to make it fair, you just have to be smart, why play believing that you could also make money just like the paid streamer if the house doesn't even know you, right? I hope that does make sense.

[madnessteat]

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You just need to know that the rules of gambling work so that your chances of winning are always lower than your chances of losing. This information is in the public domain and is not hidden from anyone. So why isn't the game fair if all the information is available and you play of your own free will?

[coupable]

There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.

- First, it's necessary to differentiate between the gambler/streamer who uses his own money (which is completely legit) , and the one who is paid by the casino to do so (the casino paid him from streaming and not giving him money to play) which is also legit fair imo .
- Second, it's an untrusted casino if he paid gamblers/streamer and give him money to play and win from the house funds itself. Besides, i can't blame a streamer (gambler at first place) if he accepts such an offer .

[beerlover]

Ok, there seems to be a lot of people who are in favor of Streamers being paid to stream by the casinos. Now I wonder if these people are actually just in favor of that, because these Streamers are doing "giveaways" and if this is stopped... then these "Giveaways" will also dry up. 

Apart from this, sponsored fund streamers usually play with huge balance and tend to waget atleast $100 on each spin so some people loves that. In term of entertainment purposes, it far more entertaining to watch someone play with a high amount so most of sponsored fund streamers usually get alot more share of viewers on their stream

Also, Syztmz is not the target here... he is just an example of someone that are not being paid by the casinos... and you see "raw" gambling and emotions with him, that you will not see with paid gamblers. (Your emotions are totally different when you play with your own money)

I do not like it when people play with huge amounts, I mean what is the point of having some billionaire looking guy wagering a thousand bucks per spin? I know I can never reach that, and I know that all that money is fake and he can't withdraw it neither, he will just be paid from the company and that's it.

I like it when there are people who wager with real amounts trying to achieve a level, like they want to buy a new pc and saving up money for it, but they also gamble a little each week when they get their check too, which is the most awesome part about it. I personally would prefer it if we could manage to make some money like that as well, get in with like 20-30 bucks and get out with 300 bucks and buy something with it, then go ahead with another 20-30 bucks and make money and keep doing that. However due to house edge, that's impossible in the long term.

[hello_good_sir]

So, we know there are a lot of people out there, that are getting money from casinos to gamble and to Stream that online. It is no secret and widely known and a lot of discussion is currently happening, since Twitch has clamped down on some of them.

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-streamers-crypto-gambling-boom/

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html  <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

So what do you think...? Is this fair or not... let's make this a good discussion. (Ps... I merit people for constructive posting) 

I'm completely on the side of Syztmz here.

I think that it is absolutely absurd that people are able to play with fake money and pass it off as if they were playing with their own money.

It's not only unfair to the other streamers who have actually put their own capital at risk, but also misleading advertising that could potentially get people into deep trouble. People like xposed on Twitch are notorious for this stuff and good thing that Twitch is starting to crack down.

[Hydrogen]

I wish mcdonald's and assorted fast food franchises would give out more food vouchers to those willing to stream themselves eating in their restaurants. It seems like a natural progression. With the advent of the internet and live streaming the trend may be inevitable. I think the novelty factor will eventually wear thin as people become desensitized to the advertising and hype.

If a streamer can gamble with $100,000+ and fail to profit. That could make for a good crash test dummy system.

I still think sports gambling is the best chance many would have for consistently being profitable in gambling. Gaming and dice aspects are too non-deterministic.

If they gave me $100,000 to gamble on sports & stream it. There's a chance I'll be walking away with more than $100,000. And that's how it should be.

[ethereumhunter]

There is nothing wrong with that because the casinos will see how that streamer can influence their audience and help the casino get more visitors. If the casino gives the free money to the streamer, that will be part of the promotions from the casino and as long as the streamer does the job, it won't be a matter. Maybe people would see that is not fair but it is about how the promotions go and how people will take care of themselves watching those streamers promote the casino.

- First, it's necessary to differentiate between the gambler/streamer who uses his own money (which is completely legit) , and the one who is paid by the casino to do so (the casino paid him from streaming and not giving him money to play) which is also legit fair imo .
- Second, it's an untrusted casino if he paid gamblers/streamer and give him money to play and win from the house funds itself. Besides, i can't blame a streamer (gambler at first place) if he accepts such an offer .

The public will never know if that gambler/streamer has been paid by the casino or use his own money because the gambler/streamer shows his play on that site. Out of that, the public only knows that he plays gambling, and some know that he promotes the site. But for the other gamblers who are often playing on various gambling sites will know that the gambler/streamer is getting paid from the casino.

We can say that it is an untrusted casino if the casino does that but for them, that is their method to promote their site and that works for them. The gambler will accept the offers if the money is good.

[Darker45]

What's not fair here? Somebody pays and then joins the game. Nobody joins the game without making the payment to the pool. It just so happens that other players are paying not out of their own pocket but from the pocket of the casino. Does it matter, though? Is that necessarily unfair? I don't think so. As a matter of fact, the higher risk is on the side of the casino. For making games more interesting and the reward pool much bigger, the casino has to invest a significant amount to paid players. If they win, much of the prize is coming from them. If a non-paid player wins, the prize is big thanks to a good number of players who are joining using the casino money.

[Cling18]

I don't think it would be unfair since most players don't focus on the advertisers and streamers but on the gambling site. Also, streamers have a huge part since they're advertising and promoting every gambling site so they deserve to get paid. Streamers especially those who are well known in their field are actually an attraction to a site that could also attract more players that would be beneficial to the site.

[michellee]

I don't think it would be unfair since most players don't focus on the advertisers and streamers but on the gambling site. Also, streamers have a huge part since they're advertising and promoting every gambling site so they deserve to get paid. Streamers especially those who are well known in their field are actually an attraction to a site that could also attract more players that would be beneficial to the site.

Exactly. If the audience focuses on the streamers, they will not ask if the streamers are getting paid the gambling site or just playing gambling on that site. Besides that, the audience is trying to search for the tip or the strategy or even just watching how the streamers played. Maybe the gambling considered hiring the popular streamers to gain more members from the video so they can get more income while the streamers help them promoting the site.

[hahay]

I don't know about that and I don't know what kind of fair form is required in this case. Is it because other streamers who use personal money and then lose have to get compensated but I don't think so, because they are broadcasting only for the purposes of their channel and not to advertise related casinos. right? So yes, I think with the sheer number of casinos available today, any unendorsed streamer could at least use another casino site, but if you still want to beat the house using the advertised casino then you have to be prepared for the consequences. As a gambler you have to be responsible for your own choices, and not about expecting or asking for something fair from the casino concerned. With them or the casino having informed what the percent house edge is in the game concerned, then I think it's a fair thing the casino has done.