Shrew Team did not pay the Signature participants

[Alert31]

SHREW bounty campaign that was managed by TheAndy500 did not pay the signature participants. Before that happened Arfy of Shrew decreased the total bounty allocation from 30M shrew tokens to 2.5M after the end of the campaign. Many hunters did not accept the changes but Arfy start distributing tokens to twitter participants and suddenly he stop distributing and also deleted the bounty telegram group. Unfortunately I am late to make an screenshot regarding the conversation in telegram group. He did not pay the signature participants.
 
I made this post just to ask if this kind of circumstances is considered as scamming? Is there any rules on this forum to prevent this kind of fraudulent works because I see that most projects just use bitcointalk to promote their project through the hunters and then the hunters will not be paid at the end of the campaign even if their project is successful. If so, many projects will get used to just using hunters and then not being paid. Pity the hunters despite their efforts to participate in the beautiful project but in the end it is still a scam. It’s okay if the project isn’t successful because you can understand why they didn’t pay those who promoted their project.

[acroman08]

I made this post just to ask if this kind of circumstances is considered as scamming?

yes, it is.

Is there any rules on this forum to prevent this kind of fraudulent works

none, scams are not moderated here in the forum(probably one of the reason why scams here are rampant). the only punishment someone can give is a negative tag on the profile of the scammer.

If so, many projects will get used to just using hunters and then not being paid. Pity the hunters despite their efforts to participate in the beautiful project but in the end it is still a scam. It’s okay if the project isn’t successful because you can understand why they didn’t pay those who promoted their project.

can't be helped. bounty hunters who have been here in the forum knows that there are a lot of scam project and knows the risk of not getting paid. the fact that a lot of bounty hunter are still joining bounty campaigns only shows that they are willing to take the risk.

[Little Mouse]

Scams are not moderated as said above. Forum administration has nothing to do in such case. But forum members can take step and neg tag their account if exists in the forum but that's not going to help you as they already have scammed.
This type of bounty campaigns are increasing these days. Most of the campaigns deceive the hunters by not paying the promised rewards or not paying at all. This has been a trend now. I don’t know why reputed/respected campaign managers don't go straight forward of escrowing the rewards and necessary fee. That way, it would be possible to prevent such deception/scam.
It's better if hunters would stop the campaign which don’t escrow the reward but there will be a lot of hunters who will not bother about that.

[Alert31]

Scams are not moderated as said above. Forum administration has nothing to do in such case. But forum members can take step and neg tag their account if exists in the forum but that's not going to help you as they already have scammed.
This type of bounty campaigns are increasing these days. Most of the campaigns deceive the hunters by not paying the promised rewards or not paying at all. This has been a trend now. I don’t know why reputed/respected campaign managers don't go straight forward of escrowing the rewards and necessary fee. That way, it would be possible to prevent such deception/scam.
It's better if hunters would stop the campaign which don’t escrow the reward but there will be a lot of hunters who will not bother about that.

Because there is no such policy here in the forum that can prevent fraudulent projects, I think what you have said is the only best way to avoid getting scammed by those kinds of projects that didn't pay the hunters. It will help the hunters if all the bounty manager only accept the project to promote using bitcointalk if they escrew the rewards.

[janggernaut]

Nothing much you can do OP. Sorry for your loss and time

There are already bunch of problems while joined in altcoin bounty, and most of them are about didn't received any payment after ICO,IEO, IDO ended. Rug pull and exit scam also another problem in altcoin bounty. Even the bounty amount has been escrowed, there is no 100% guarantee the participants will be paid (you would be paid, but whats you gonna do if the exchange isn't ready yet?) Your token/coin would be turn worthless until there is market which can trade your coin/token.

Stay away from altcoin bounty, it's not worth with your time. This is not like in 2016-2017 which ICO & altcoin bounties really hyped back then

[sujonali1819]

Actually what happened here in this project? Who distributing the bounty payments? The project owners or the Bounty Manager? If the project owner suddenly stopped it then this thread should be created first by the bounty manager.

This happened previously many tines. Project pay the bounty hunters payment to bounty manager to distribute among the hunters. But Manager steel the money and try to remove/lock all the bounty related groups or thread.

We are waiting to get an answer from the bounty manager or the project team member.

[Alert31]

Actually what happened here in this project? Who distributing the bounty payments? The project owners or the Bounty Manager? If the project owner suddenly stopped it then this thread should be created first by the bounty manager.

This happened previously many tines. Project pay the bounty hunters payment to bounty manager to distribute among the hunters. But Manager steel the money and try to remove/lock all the bounty related groups or thread.

We are waiting to get an answer from the bounty manager or the project team member.

The project ran successfully. Arfy from shrew project is the one who distribute the payment. Unfortunately, we can't reach the BM, TheAndy500. I don't know where he is now and why he didn't inform or leave a message to his hunters.

[$crypto$]

Actually what happened here in this project? Who distributing the bounty payments? The project owners or the Bounty Manager? If the project owner suddenly stopped it then this thread should be created first by the bounty manager.

This happened previously many tines. Project pay the bounty hunters payment to bounty manager to distribute among the hunters. But Manager steel the money and try to remove/lock all the bounty related groups or thread.

We are waiting to get an answer from the bounty manager or the project team member.

The project ran successfully. Arfy from shrew project is the one who distribute the payment. Unfortunately, we can't reach the BM, TheAndy500. I don't know where he is now and why he didn't inform or leave a message to his hunters.

TheAndy500 has been inactive since august 7th almost before meaning he has never left any traces of announcements on threads and his group, indeed this is not the responsibility of the manager regarding the distribution but he also has responsibility for the complaints of hunters who are not paid at least urge the team to distribute it immediately, but if TheAndy500 is inactive then no effort in this regard then I think the team will ignore it.
I think this is like an irresponsible manager.

[skarais]

Stay away from altcoin bounty, it's not worth with your time. This is not like in 2016-2017 which ICO & altcoin bounties really hyped back then

Some campaign pay participant for their success, but many other campaign do not. @irfan_pak10 is the manager most wanted by most bounty hunters because of the success of the campaign he manage. No time is wasted without fair results among the participant when the campaign is running well and payments are made on time without delay. I can give example of some of the campaign that @irfan_pak10 has been successful so far paying its participant well for their time spent. But it is true that the bounty participant must really do a complete analysis of the project they will support even if it is managed by a manager with a good reputation. Join the bounty campaign then they really have to know what the worst risks are.

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OP, have you tried the steps suggested by the manager in the campaign thread?

I am managing this campaign on behalf of SHREW Project. If you have any doubts, questions or propositions you can contact with me via Telegram group: https://t.me/TheAndysCampaigns directly https://t.me/TheAndy500 or by social media: Twitter, Facebook

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is there any rules on this forum to prevent this kind of fraudulent works because I see that most projects just use bitcointalk to promote their project through the hunters and then the hunters will not be paid at the end of the campaign even if their project is successful.

You've been a member of bitcointalk since 2017; don't you realize that Theymos doesn't give a shit whether bounty hunters get scammed or not?  Have you not seen all of the scam accusation threads dealing with situations exactly like the one you described?  It's not like this is the first (or even 10th) time this has happened. 

As to the second part of your statement above, all I have to say is "duh".  That's exactly what a lot of projects do, and it's the biggest problem with bounties that promise to pay their participants in worthless tokens once all the spamming is done.  They have no obligation to do so, even if you think they do.  They can't be forced to pay and they'll easily just skip right past that part once the project fails or if the project owners get greedy. 

My advice to you is to smarten up and stop spamming for these lousy projects that only want to make money for themselves.  They don't care one whit about you or any bounty hunters.  Bounty hunters are just a desperate pool of suckers they use as a marketing tool.

[bakasabo]

I wonder where is TheAndy500? This is the second campaign by him (second in a row) that turned to be scam. And he simply inactive on the forum and telegram.
Im starting to have doubts about his professionalism. Next time I will think twice before joining his campaigns. The only successful campaigns he had were SimpleFX and Primebit. They were paid in btc, that was year ago. From his next 6 bounties with payment in tokens, only one (Soku Swap) was paid. Even though it is not his mistake that project did not pay, he could be more selective in choosing what to manage.

[Lucius]

I wonder where is TheAndy500? This is the second campaign by him (second in a row) that turned to be scam. And he simply inactive on the forum and telegram.

Maybe he enjoys his profit, because just because participants aren’t paid doesn’t mean he didn’t get his share in advance. And after scandals like this, it’s best to get lost for a while and let the dust settle.

Even though it is not his mistake that project did not pay, he could be more selective in choosing what to manage.

He could, but few managers do an in-depth analysis of the projects in which they participate, because that would probably mean that the project will end up with another manager. In addition, with all failed campaigns you mentioned, that manager has no negative trust or flag, which means that there is absolutely no responsibility for what happened.

[The Cryptovator]

First of all the forum doesn't have any business with the bounty or signature campaign unless they break the forum rules. The forum just gives an opportunity to spread the word about cryptocurrency quickly, so here is the matter. Scammers taking advantage of that and hunters getting an advantage to earn some dust. Yes, definitely it's a scam if the team disagrees to pay hunters rewards. This isn't new on the forum, it has been happening for a long time and there is no cure, to be honest.

We always just blame the manager if the project turns into a scam. Of course, it's the manager's responsibility, but what if the manager is worst and non-reputed? Isn't hunter's responsibility to make sure that the manager is well-reputed and there is less possibility of being scammed? If the team does not pay rewards we can't do much except tagging them which wouldn't consider a cure. So hunters always should research by own.

[Furious 7]

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We always just blame the manager if the project turns into a scam. Of course, it's the manager's responsibility, but what if the manager is worst and non-reputed? Isn't hunter's responsibility to make sure that the manager is well-reputed and there is less possibility of being scammed? If the team does not pay rewards we can't do much except tagging them which wouldn't consider a cure. So hunters always should research by own.

Perhaps the main reason is because the manager has been inactive for a long time so this is waiting for confirmation from the manager who became the initial agreement on the distribution.
Indeed, hunters must be more careful in choosing bounties, especially the managers and most importantly already well-known so that it will be easier to know what the update of the bounty is so I think don't be too blind to the bounties that come to join and the most important thing is a deeper analysis of the new project .

[Alert31]

Is there any rules on this forum to prevent this kind of fraudulent works because I see that most projects just use bitcointalk to promote their project through the hunters and then the hunters will not be paid at the end of the campaign even if their project is successful.

You've been a member of bitcointalk since 2017; don't you realize that Theymos doesn't give a shit whether bounty hunters get scammed or not?  Have you not seen all of the scam accusation threads dealing with situations exactly like the one you described?  It's not like this is the first (or even 10th) time this has happened. 

As to the second part of your statement above, all I have to say is "duh".  That's exactly what a lot of projects do, and it's the biggest problem with bounties that promise to pay their participants in worthless tokens once all the spamming is done.  They have no obligation to do so, even if you think they do.  They can't be forced to pay and they'll easily just skip right past that part once the project fails or if the project owners get greedy. 

My advice to you is to smarten up and stop spamming for these lousy projects that only want to make money for themselves.  They don't care one whit about you or any bounty hunters.  Bounty hunters are just a desperate pool of suckers they use as a marketing tool.

Sorry if I'm not fond of reading especially in this thread. I only read and get information through the complaints of most bounty hunters in the telegram group. And this is my first time posting this kind of issues about the fraudulent project.

Previously, I also encountered the same issue with the Amepay project but fortunately after a long period of waiting and complaints by hunters, they provide payments to all participants.
However, thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it.

[Koutami]

Im part of the signature bounty participant and also talk with mr Arfy when discussions happens, we already have an agremeent with him and agreed to lowering the reward but ends up getting scammed.

For that situation i put a flag on shrew account, so people who saw the ann thread would take a look on the project problem, if you think same with me, support me here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2827

[Koro-Sensei]

What happened: It's been 3 weeks since they closed the telegram group for bounty so it is clear that they scammed us after all the negotiations they made to us. At first, they reduced the total allocated Tokens from initial 15M as stated in the Bounty Thread (30M cut by half due to half total weeks) to 7.5M. We also had an agreement that they will pay 1/3 of the payment per week to avoid dumping. Mr. Arfy, CEO of Shrew talked to us with this agreement due to absence of our manager Andy500 but in the time of distribution, they deleted all the chats added by closing the group. It was unexpected due to the fact that we had a good talk with Arfy and all things were seems good. By this we had no chance to take screenshots of the said conversation for evidence. To be fair, they distributed 20% of the total payment to twitter participants but neglect Signature and reddit members.  

Scammer profile link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3331855
Scammer's name(s):  
Arfy Shah
https://www.linkedin.com/in/arfyshah/
Shaz Khan
https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaz-khan-b6a66324/
Azar Shah
https://www.linkedin.com/in/azar-shah-99010a91/ [/color][/b]

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342272.0
Amount Scammed: 7.5M shrew
Additional Notes:
Shrew and Lunaland are connected. As you can see in the picture. Dusko is the Founder of Lunaland which scammed Royse and its hunters. These guys are literally abusing this forum. 2 successful Pre-sale projects yet still didn't pay its workers.

[Snappycoco]

What happened: It's been 3 weeks since they closed the telegram group for bounty so it is clear that they scammed us after all the negotiations they made to us. At first, they reduced the total allocated Tokens from initial 15M as stated in the Bounty Thread (30M cut by half due to half total weeks) to 7.5M. We also had an agreement that they will pay 1/3 of the payment per week to avoid dumping. Mr. Arfy, CEO of Shrew talked to us with this agreement due to absence of our manager Andy500 but in the time of distribution, they deleted all the chats added by closing the group. It was unexpected due to the fact that we had a good talk with Arfy and all things were seems good. By this we had no chance to take screenshots of the said conversation for evidence. To be fair, they distributed 20% of the total payment to twitter participants but neglect Signature and reddit members.  

Scammer profile link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3331855
Scammer's name(s):  
Arfy Shah
https://www.linkedin.com/in/arfyshah/
Shaz Khan
https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaz-khan-b6a66324/
Azar Shah
https://www.linkedin.com/in/azar-shah-99010a91/ [/color][/b]

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342272.0
Amount Scammed: 7.5M shrew
Additional Notes:
Shrew and Lunaland are connected. As you can see in the picture. Dusko is the Founder of Lunaland which scammed Royse and its hunters. These guys are literally abusing this forum. 2 successful Pre-sale projects yet still didn't pay its workers.

Looking at the picture makes me think that these guys are poor. Like look at those backgrounds and headsets. They really in need of money.

[fortunecrypto]

Shrew and Lunaland are connected. As you can see in the picture. Dusko is the Founder of Lunaland which scammed Royse and its hunters. These guys are literally abusing this forum. 2 successful Pre-sale projects yet still didn't pay its workers. [/color][/b]

Investors should think twice before investing in this project, they are not trustworthy and full of deception they cannot honor their commitment, what more can we expect in their roadmap, investors will end up with a bag of their shit token, they will neglect and run and their token will soon become a dead coin.
Developers who do not honor their commitment to those who help them get funded should be dump by investors.