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December 02, 2011, 08:18:25 PM
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Reactor 1's core may have melted all the way through the concrete by now.  Reports of cracks in the surrounding area with steam coming out of them indicates it may be hitting small amounts of moisture in the ground, outside of the containment.

If it hits a groundwater source, it could cause a hydrovolcanic explosion much worse than anything seen so far...

http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/fukushima-enters-china-syndrome-meltdown-is-destroying-cement/#more-13499

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December 02, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
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We are nearly powerless against our own creation. Brave people risked certain death to try to prevent this catastrophe. Yet, we still ignore disasters facing our civilization. We can't change who we are as a species, but we can change how we do things by taking small steps in the right direction.

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December 02, 2011, 09:42:21 PM
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but this is starting to scare the crap out of me.

Also, this was a rather interesting comment below the article.  Makes you wonder how much more of this sort of thing we're going to see, even if the situation doesn't worsen from what it is now.

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Dec 1 – Rumor spreading in Japan says leukemia up 7 times from last year — Champion wrestler who trained in Fukushima diagnosed with acute myelocytic leukemia

Nov 27 – Journalist dies of acute lymphocytic leukemia — Was living inside 30 km zone to support Fukushima

Nov 22 – Japan TV star suffering acute leukemia after eating Fukushima produce (VIDEO)

Nov 7 – Japan TV host diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia — Had been eating Fukushima produce on show

Nov 3 – Hospital worker leaks information about recent increase in acute leukemia

Aug 30 – 40-year-old Fukushima radiation worker dies of acute leukemia after working at plant for week — Checkup showed no prior health problems

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December 03, 2011, 01:22:13 AM
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any measures we can take at this point would be beyond drastic, however because of that we won't do anything, the whole mess could be dealt quickly(relativly speaking) with technology they could deploy next week.

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December 03, 2011, 06:30:53 AM
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1) According to
www.marketwatch.com/community/doubledutch/comments/story
when, not if, this hits underground water
all Tokyo area (13 mil. people) will become DEATH ZONE.

If this is true the Yen will fall sharply across the board.

2) Much less dangerous nuclear power technology
is Thorium salts reactor. Google it.

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December 03, 2011, 07:10:44 AM
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That's only one example of a country's government lying to its people. Luckily, here in the US of A, we don't have that problem. As an example, it never would have occurred to our government to lie to us about how big the bailout truly was a few years ago. Image, if you will, if it was really 7.7 trillion dollars. That would make the original financial tsunami bailout look like a ripple. Furthermore, it would have been picked up by the media by now. In fact, I Googled it the other day, and nothing, so don't waste your time searching. I'm confident that our government has everything under control. Under control. Under control. Under control.

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December 03, 2011, 08:33:15 AM
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but this is starting to scare the crap out of me.
This.

Thoriumsalt sounds interesting. India is building one, right? I hope they pull it off.

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December 03, 2011, 09:06:57 AM
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but this is starting to scare the crap out of me.

It scares the crap out of me too. But Im still pro nuclear. Im just not pro building nuclear reactors on earth quake and tsunami prone coasts when the reactor is somehow designed in such a way that a flooding cuts off its electricity supply. I still cant wrap my head around that. As I understand it (but correct me if Im wrong), the only real problem was powering the pumps.  How hard can it be to put some generators in a shelter that can withstand just about anything?

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December 03, 2011, 04:33:56 PM
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but this is starting to scare the crap out of me.

It scares the crap out of me too. But Im still pro nuclear. Im just not pro building nuclear reactors on earth quake and tsunami prone coasts when the reactor is somehow designed in such a way that a flooding cuts off its electricity supply. I still cant wrap my head around that. As I understand it (but correct me if Im wrong), the only real problem was powering the pumps.  How hard can it be to put some generators in a shelter that can withstand just about anything?

Not hard at all to, but cheaper:



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December 03, 2011, 05:09:38 PM
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I used to be pro-nuclear, but this is starting to scare the crap out of me.
This.

Thoriumsalt sounds interesting. India is building one, right? I hope they pull it off.
Last I heard India was building solid fuel thorium reactors. China on the other hand is working on LFTR.
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December 03, 2011, 05:19:04 PM
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I like the science of breeder reactors, but it would be better if we can wait to use them off-planet.

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December 03, 2011, 06:04:20 PM
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I really hope that Japan can be more transparent in this disaster.  Too many ifs and whys.

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December 03, 2011, 07:14:37 PM
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I like the science of breeder reactors, but it would be better if we can wait to use them off-planet.
Why generate the power off planet? You would be greatly increasing the transmissions costs with no gain.

If Fukushima was a LFTR, there would've been nothing news worth to report there. You cut power, the freeze plug melts, and the fuel drains into a container that passively cools the fuel.
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December 03, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
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I like the science of breeder reactors, but it would be better if we can wait to use them off-planet.
Why generate the power off planet? You would be greatly increasing the transmissions costs with no gain.

If Fukushima was a LFTR, there would've been nothing news worth to report there. You cut power, the freeze plug melts, and the fuel drains into a container that passively cools the fuel.

Yep.  Instead of a critical mass of uranium you have a tiny piece to emit neutrons.  The thorium absorbs these and enriches to uranium.  It then decays back to thorium once it becomes too heavy.  Thorium is fairly stable and will rarely emit neutrons on it's own.  The thorium simply aids in turning the neutrons into heat and carrying this heat to the steam turbine boiler.  Reaction only occurs near the neutron source, and the source is small enough to be passively contained, which happens automatically because the freeze plug melts when the power is cut.

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December 03, 2011, 10:30:39 PM
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Fukushima diary does say that the reactor fuel has penetrated the concrete, but most other news sources say that only three-fourths of the concrete was penetrated and that erosion "has stopped."  Here are some sources:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/fukushima_plant_was_close_to_full_jNzN61vNhkrtK6LLdnX12M
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/japan/111202/fukushima-daiichi-tepco-nuclear-meltdown
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/world/asia/meltdown-in-japan-may-have-been-worse-than-thought.html

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December 04, 2011, 01:00:08 AM
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As I see it, there's only one man on this entire planet that can put what has, and will, happen to rest. One man who has calmed a nation once before when a nuclear reactor almost went south. One man to shed new light on a dimming PR campaign. One man, who's name is so revered, I've no choice but to show you picture of his brother's truck. From there, you'll have to come to your own conclusion as to who this man is, and whose initials are JC--and no, not that other JC who built the Ark and freed the Israelites from the promise land, if I have my ancient history correct (I think I was playing with my slide rule in that class, too).



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December 04, 2011, 05:54:05 AM
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So far we were fed only the most 'optimistically' scenario, considering they have no data on what it actually happening at the site, only simulations we have to consider that these simulations are not accurate still and the situation is even worse.

From what I've read once the melt comes into contact with water contaminated steam would be released in massive quantities with the fallout being in the atmosphere for decades and around the globe.
So it gets into the food chain good luck with a life expectancy above 60...

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December 04, 2011, 07:42:39 AM
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Fukushima diary does say that the reactor fuel has penetrated the concrete, but most other news sources say that only three-fourths of the concrete was penetrated and that erosion "has stopped."  Here are some sources:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/fukushima_plant_was_close_to_full_jNzN61vNhkrtK6LLdnX12M
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/japan/111202/fukushima-daiichi-tepco-nuclear-meltdown
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/world/asia/meltdown-in-japan-may-have-been-worse-than-thought.html
How can anyone really know though?  Do they have sensors below the concrete?  Nope.  And steam coming up through fissures in the ground is rather telling... as least, it seems to be.

They (TEPCO and the Japanese government) have already hidden so much from us, why would they bother telling the truth now?  With regards to this situation, they've always put out "news" that equates to the most optimistic lie that is still believable.

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there's been too many lies for me to take anyone's word for what is happening right now.

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December 04, 2011, 08:04:55 AM
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I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there's been too many lies for me to take anyone's word for what is happening right now.

I am, kind of... and while I don't believe any of them what is happing certainly fits their description. Most of them provide a view that the disaster is happening on purpose. The problematic thing about them though is that they almost have no common ground and dispute each other.

I guess the best thing to do is watch out what people equipped with hepa filters and mass spectrometers are discovering...

From a interview with Arnold Gundersen: ( part1, part2)
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Arnie Gundersen: Well, I am in touch with some scientists now who have been monitoring the air on the West Coast and in Seattle for instance, in April, the average person in Seattle breathed in 10 hot particles a day.

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December 04, 2011, 10:54:13 AM
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Arnie Gundersen: Well, I am in touch with some scientists now who have been monitoring the air on the West Coast and in Seattle for instance, in April, the average person in Seattle breathed in 10 hot particles a day.
You do know that 10 particles is extremely few, no matter what particles they are?

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