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September 12, 2021, 02:36:03 AM
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I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years
You can have earnings on the forum from various job types
  • Signature campaign it can be shut down by the admin any time.
  • Community management
  • Graphic designing (signature, announcement thread, avatar, etc.)
  • Developer-related jobs


What happened on the forum in the last year? Let me sum up from what I knew and remembered

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September 12, 2021, 06:40:30 AM
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Say what?  I don't expect that if I asked you to clarify what you meant that you'd even see my post, but how the hell does a discussion forum provide a comfortable life for anyone?   
I'm referring to newbies because most of them mindset is that the community of bitcointalk is meant to generate or earn a bitcoin,so they taught live is comfortable immediately they join a conversation group of bitcoin, and the question was not for entire forum user, i think from the beginning of my post i made it clear, and I'm getting almost two years here so i think i know some certain things that is obtainable,

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C) is that bitcointalk community is a source of living a comfortable live?
Say what?  I don't expect that if I asked you to clarify what you meant that you'd even see my post, but how the hell does a discussion forum provide a comfortable life for anyone?
If you look at this source for example (I am not sure if it's reliable and accurate), and scroll all the way down where it shows several African nations, you would notice that the average monthly income for some of them is between $26 and $100. If a user from those countries managed to get into a signature campaign that paid only $40-$50 weekly, they would be able to lead a more than comfortable life. If they managed to remain part of the campaign for a longer period of course. 

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If you look at this source for example (I am not sure if it's reliable and accurate), and scroll all the way down where it shows several African nations, you would notice that the average monthly income for some of them is between $26 and $100. If a user from those countries managed to get into a signature campaign that paid only $40-$50 weekly, they would be able to lead a more than comfortable life. If they managed to remain part of the campaign for a longer period of course.  

I know people in the Philippines who make $80 a month for a full-time job... this includes working on Saturday and sometimes even Sunday. So even $40 a week would be a significant improvement. Not just because it would represent a 100% raise, but also because they would have a lot more free time to pursue other income...

Income is especially scarce in many parts of the world right now.

Regardless, if they are cheaters or not contributing anything of value, they've got to go. This shouldn't be a place where people float by writing barely coherent swaths of nothing that technically don't break the rules.

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September 13, 2021, 10:02:31 AM
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I feel like BitcoinTalk became some sort of "earning opportunity" over the years and now it's now just a bunch of people who are new to bitcoin and can barely form sentences in english. What happened?

I don't know if you had a chance to be here during 2016/17 or before, but for those who remember that time the forum has definitely changed for the better, at least in the sense that a large part of spammers, shitposters and scammers have been permanently deleted ( banned). However, I would not agree that there are no users who contribute to the forum and are not fluent in English (although it is not their mother tongue).

I think that the more Bitcoin gets covered by news posts, social-media, etc.. The more people join the forum and spam bounty campaigns and seem to be spamming posts to earn merit which is something that you wouldn't see in the last years.  Sad

First of all, bounty campaigns are not nearly as profitable as a few years ago, and everyone knows that the number of active forum users has significantly decreased, probably for that reason as well. The statistics say the following for last 24 hours :

Active users and top posters on Bitcointalk.org in the past 24 hours:
Administrator: 0 posts (0 users)
Global Moderator: 0 posts (0 users)
Staff: 13 posts (7 users)
VIP: 0 posts (0 users)
Donator: 2 posts (1 users)
Legendary: 925 posts (222 users)
Hero Member: 666 posts (172 users)
Sr. Member: 572 posts (175 users)
Full Member: 495 posts (174 users)
Member: 536 posts (159 users)
Jr. Member: 500 posts (174 users)
Newbie: 3101 posts (970 users)
Brand new: 1150 posts (437 users)

Copper Member: 207 posts (75 users)
Total: 8167 posts (2566 users)

About 1400 brand new and newbie accounts are more than 50% active users, but I doubt they are unique users - account farming is still something people do - we see evidence of this every day.

I don't know if there are statistics for the period between 2015 and say 2018 for active users, but it seems to me personally that the total number was much higher than today.

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September 13, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
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No, the question is why bitcointalk has become overrun by garbage shitposters in the last X number of years, and I'd say X>6, because it was just as bad when I registered as it is today--though there's been maybe some improvement because of the merit system.
The merit systems was introduced with purpose of stopping the spam poster to rank up and this has been successfull to some extent as many members who were airpdropped the initial merits are still having the same amount of merit with them because they're not able to make any quality posts on the forum.There were still such posts and still they are continuing with the same pace and spamming up the whole threads as you could see the post quality being degraded every time.The campaign participants are just in rush to complete their signature campaign requirements and overlooking what the discussion is about and write off topics content which is full of crap materials.

The user base is also decreasing because the signature campaign required merits ams and members are unable to have any and eventually their sole purpose is not being fulfilled and they just leave th forum but it's good not to have any such members.

For older members, sometimes it can make them want to pull their hair out, especially if they're trying to read threads in sections like Bitcoin Discussion.  That should be the most sacred of sections, and yet it's nothing but a wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling shitbox of crap.  Haven't you noticed that? 
The golden section and the most main section of the forum is now turning to be full of such spam threads and newbies and other members writing up the same thing which is usually wrong information and misguided content.Whenever their is news in market whether it's rumour they just create similar threads about them without any investigation and posting the links to the thread and end up violating the rules also.

I don't know if you had a chance to be here during 2016/17 or before, but for those who remember that time the forum has definitely changed for the better, at least in the sense that a large part of spammers, shitposters and scammers have been permanently deleted ( banned). However, I would not agree that there are no users who contribute to the forum and are not fluent in English (although it is not their mother tongue).
It was somehow golden period of the forum and you could see literally technical and well made discussion rather than seeking bitcoin investment advice and other spam threads we came across daily now and the well written threads are buried under the piles of such garbage threads.Speaking up of English then wr can see that most of the local board users are one's creating quality and effective posts on the forum in English as well and for those who don't understand it can always try to come across of their comfort zone and try to learn it.

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It was somehow golden period of the forum and you could see literally technical and well made discussion rather than seeking bitcoin investment advice and other spam threads we came across daily now and the well written threads are buried under the piles of such garbage threads.

If we're going to talk about the golden period of spam&shitposting, then I'll agree with that - because that's the time when signature campaigns were managed with bots that just counted posts without quality checks - I'm surprised you don't remember that since you're a member of the beginning of 2016. People who say that it was better then than today obviously have completely different criteria for good and bad, if we talk about the conditions that prevail in the forum today.

I'm not saying that it's perfect today, far from it - but for all those who used the forum to use it for profit, today it's much harder or even impossible to do what they did 4-5 years ago.

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September 14, 2021, 11:33:08 AM
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I know people in the Philippines who make $80 a month for a full-time job... this includes working on Saturday and sometimes even Sunday.
The standards in Philippines and Indonesia are also something I should have mentioned. If you have ever been on a cruise or you know someone who has or who works on popular cruise liners, they would tell you that the majority of the workforce comes from Philippines and Indonesia. Why? Because the money they will earn there after a few years of working, is enough for them to lead good lives for decades or until they die in some cases back home. That includes building and equipping a house and having enough for their families to be happy.   

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It was somehow golden period of the forum and you could see literally technical and well made discussion rather than seeking bitcoin investment advice and other spam threads we came across daily now and the well written threads are buried under the piles of such garbage threads.

If we're going to talk about the golden period of spam&shitposting, then I'll agree with that - because that's the time when signature campaigns were managed with bots that just counted posts without quality checks - I'm surprised you don't remember that since you're a member of the beginning of 2016. People who say that it was better then than today obviously have completely different criteria for good and bad, if we talk about the conditions that prevail in the forum today.

I'm not saying that it's perfect today, far from it - but for all those who used the forum to use it for profit, today it's much harder or even impossible to do what they did 4-5 years ago.
See there are some good and positive points along with some negative factors also if we make comparisons of Bitcoin talk related to current and past changes.This is my assumptions related to the same :

Those who use forum as profits and earnings perspective then for sure they have gained a lot like the bitcoin rates have improved as they are still trading above $45k and campaigns paying in btc still pay $50-$80 to hero/legendaries rank and for sure they are into good profits including all of us by the way.

The forum has also seen rise of the members from low rank to high rank after the implementation of merit system but due to making quality posts and good, healthy and effective contributions to the forum which is why they have gained merits from members who liked their ideas and posts.Many members have gained and are still earning merits by making such post.

The other case is that most of the newbies are misguided or introduced to the forum as some sort of income source on the primary basis and we see such threads daily on B&H section and other boards.Secondly there are members who are not able to gain any merits and have left the forum because they cannot join campaign due to merit restrictions or are simply spamming up the threads with no knowledge and writing off topics which is of no use.Newbies who are not into learning phase and implement the bitcoin knowledge are also joining the same race.

If we make certain analysis of Bitcoin discussion section also we could easily see the post quality have been degraded like most of the members don't know what are they posting like if there is any rumour or fake news in the market then without any investigation or finding out the details they will create the thread and later on similar threads carry on with same information.But in past there were some good discussions carried out by members.But now it is changing.

So my main concern was that there are some positive and negative aspects that have changed on botcointalk forum over all these years.

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If we make certain analysis of Bitcoin discussion section also we could easily see the post quality have been degraded like most of the members don't know what are they posting like if there is any rumour or fake news in the market then without any investigation or finding out the details they will create the thread and later on similar threads carry on with same information.But in past there were some good discussions carried out by members.But now it is changing.

So my main concern was that there are some positive and negative aspects that have changed on botcointalk forum over all these years.
There are millions of registered bitcointalk users but we can never get them all to post reasonable, constructive and quality things every time. The decline in the quality of posts is not only caused by the large number of newbie who do not have sufficient knowledge, we can still find more veteran members who also post the same thing regardless of the quality. Directing them to post quality things is a must in my opinion, it's an effort to improve the quality of the forum. But we're also not short on options to keep it clean as the report to moderator button is still pretty useful today. If warnings and input from forum contributors via replies or a thread are not heeded, then this button will provide extra benefits for all of us who care about forum cleanliness.

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September 16, 2021, 06:02:59 AM
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Companies choosed to advertise in this forum and the people see it as an opportunity, and the site wants to keep going so I don't think that nothing changed, everyone just wants to survive and none of the people I have mentioned is an exception.
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