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September 20, 2021, 03:06:30 AM
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Clueless Ramblings

Enjoy your day, the majority here are just too thick to understand anything anymore.
I leave you to enjoy your ignorance together with your false beliefs.

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September 20, 2021, 05:49:10 AM
Last edit: September 21, 2021, 03:59:46 AM by aliashraf
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Although the two concepts, the Longest Chain Rule and the Heaviest Chain Rule are slightly different,  they have been used in the literature interchangeably without ending to too much confusion.

@Tangentc has a valid point about generating a shorter chain with heavier workload being infeasible because of timestamp requirements, though his point is valid just for long range re-org attempts. In the short-range case, such a counterintuitive scenario is feasible.

It'd be much better understood once it is put in the big picture:  generating fewer blocks in a large window of time inevitably causes lower difficulties to be set in the network and such a chain would carry a lower workload as long as it wants to remain shorter.

Again, I'd recommend sticking with the security role of miners vs full nodes, instead of practicing endless controversies on irrelevant issues.
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September 20, 2021, 03:37:18 PM
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the Heaviest Chain Rule
But, no one talked about the heaviest chain. This implies that there's a chain with heavier blocks, weighting more gigabytes. What I said is the chain with the most work.

@Tangentc has a valid point about generating a shorter chain with heavier workload being infeasible because of timestamp requirements
No, he doesn't. There isn't a timestamp checking when you send the chain. If your chain has more work it is the valid chain. One could generate 2016 blocks with a difficulty of all difficulties summed and be considered correct. Furthermore, I explained how you can fool the system's timestamps on blocks if you're the only miner in the network.

It'd be much better understood once it is put in the big picture:  generating fewer blocks in a large window of time inevitably causes lower difficulties to be set in the network and such a chain would carry a lower workload as long as it wants to remain shorter.
Again, if you're the only miner of the network, time can be defined by only one person instead of all's. You generate blocks within a supposed time difference of 10 minutes and retain the same difficulty in each period.

I leave you to enjoy your ignorance together with your false beliefs.
Except that they aren't beliefs. Bitcoin isn't a religion for no one to question. He provided some arguments based on facts.

Please stop being so ironic, you only humiliate yourself.

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September 20, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
Last edit: September 20, 2021, 06:51:49 PM by aliashraf
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the Heaviest Chain Rule
But, no one talked about the heaviest chain. This implies that there's a chain with heavier blocks, weighting more gigabytes. What I said is the chain with the most work.
Obviously, by heaviest chain, I mean the chain with the heaviest workload, aka more computational work. As there is no excuse for your confused interpretation, given the clear context, I suppose you are showing signs of trolling  Cheesy

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September 20, 2021, 07:37:00 PM
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Sorry if I seemed a troll to you. That wasn't my intense.

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