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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I agree with that but the score should not be that close. About the rematch, yes for sure Caraballo deserves a rematch and while he is more technical, he should also work on his chin and Sultan will work on his boxing skills so he can beat Caraballo if he can't knock him down in the rematch. The key to Sultan's victory was the knockdown, without it, Caraballo is a clear winner.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I agree with that but the score should not be that close. About the rematch, yes for sure Caraballo deserves a rematch and while he is more technical, he should also work on his chin and Sultan will work on his boxing skills so he can beat Caraballo if he can't knock him down in the rematch. The key to Sultan's victory was the knockdown, without it, Caraballo is a clear winner. I have seen a lot of boxers who are great punchers and technical and they were betrayed by their weak chin and weak knees, this is the first time that Caraballo was hit so many times, and every time those punches landed his knees buckle, he is used to fighting fighters who do not move and just received his punches and were afraid to throw, that chin breaks his being a promising boxer, I don't mean to disrespect Caraballo but world champions have a strong chin and strong legs, this fight reminds me of Amir Khan, who moves great in the ring and keeps piling up points but getting always beaten by a punch in the chin.
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November 01, 2021, 07:35:20 AM |
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I agree with that but the score should not be that close. About the rematch, yes for sure Caraballo deserves a rematch and while he is more technical, he should also work on his chin and Sultan will work on his boxing skills so he can beat Caraballo if he can't knock him down in the rematch. The key to Sultan's victory was the knockdown, without it, Caraballo is a clear winner. I have seen a lot of boxers who are great punchers and technical and they were betrayed by their weak chin and weak knees, this is the first time that Caraballo was hit so many times, and every time those punches landed his knees buckle, he is used to fighting fighters who do not move and just received his punches and were afraid to throw, that chin breaks his being a promising boxer, I don't mean to disrespect Caraballo but world champions have a strong chin and strong legs, this fight reminds me of Amir Khan, who moves great in the ring and keeps piling up points but getting always beaten by a punch in the chin. I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I agree with that but the score should not be that close. About the rematch, yes for sure Caraballo deserves a rematch and while he is more technical, he should also work on his chin and Sultan will work on his boxing skills so he can beat Caraballo if he can't knock him down in the rematch. The key to Sultan's victory was the knockdown, without it, Caraballo is a clear winner. I have seen a lot of boxers who are great punchers and technical and they were betrayed by their weak chin and weak knees, this is the first time that Caraballo was hit so many times, and every time those punches landed his knees buckle, he is used to fighting fighters who do not move and just received his punches and were afraid to throw, that chin breaks his being a promising boxer, I don't mean to disrespect Caraballo but world champions have a strong chin and strong legs, this fight reminds me of Amir Khan, who moves great in the ring and keeps piling up points but getting always beaten by a punch in the chin. I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization. And Jonas Sultan reminds me of Pacquiao, I mean in the way he was also plummeted by Caraballo. And it's amazing that he can take all that punches and didn't go down hard. Well, he was battle tested against Casimero and won against him so that enough said how durable Sultan is and it proved in this game. Durable chin against a knock out artist who has weak chin. Caraballo might bounce back, but if he ever faces another touch fighter then probably he will lost by knock out here.
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And Jonas Sultan reminds me of Pacquiao, I mean in the way he was also plummeted by Caraballo. And it's amazing that he can take all that punches and didn't go down hard. Well, he was battle tested against Casimero and won against him so that enough said how durable Sultan is and it proved in this game. Durable chin against a knock out artist who has weak chin. Caraballo might bounce back, but if he ever faces another touch fighter then probably he will lost by knock out here.
He is really strong, Carballo is a power puncher and all his previous wins are in KO, that record is scary already but Sultan was able to deliver, giving him a tougher competition that he has not tasted before. It's his first loss and it's good if he will learn from his mistakes and develop his weakness. There's no room in boxing if you have a weak chin, you'll never be a champ. Sultan reminds me of Porter,
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I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.
Better to move on and wait if there's a rematch to happen. Caraballo deserves that rematch and if his fans and more boxing fans will call for this one, we might see the rematch to happen much earlier. Just a good chin and Sultan takes this one from Caraballo. The strong fighting determination of Sultan dominates and even there are controversial. He manages to take and win this fight. There are upcoming fights that we will go to watchout, this sports this getting fans' attentions back.
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November 01, 2021, 02:28:31 PM |
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I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.
Better to move on and wait if there's a rematch to happen. Caraballo deserves that rematch and if his fans and more boxing fans will call for this one, we might see the rematch to happen much earlier. Just a good chin and Sultan takes this one from Caraballo. The strong fighting determination of Sultan dominates and even there are controversial. He manages to take and win this fight. There are upcoming fights that we will go to watchout, this sports this getting fans' attentions back. I saw the scorecards and the judges are heavily favoring Caraballo, rounds that do not have knockdown go to Caraballo, and why there is a need for a rematch it's a unanimous decision, the win obviously go to Sultan's favor, there will be a rematch to settle the score if the fight could go either way, what do Caraballo have to prove in a rematch that he trained his chin to receive a punch, a weak chin will always remain a weak chin, give Caraballo a match against another top-caliber fighter and he will still get knockdowns or a knockout.
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November 01, 2021, 07:48:31 PM |
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I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.
Better to move on and wait if there's a rematch to happen. Caraballo deserves that rematch and if his fans and more boxing fans will call for this one, we might see the rematch to happen much earlier. Just a good chin and Sultan takes this one from Caraballo. The strong fighting determination of Sultan dominates and even there are controversial. He manages to take and win this fight. There are upcoming fights that we will go to watchout, this sports this getting fans' attentions back. I saw the scorecards and the judges are heavily favoring Caraballo, rounds that do not have knockdown go to Caraballo, and why there is a need for a rematch it's a unanimous decision, the win obviously go to Sultan's favor, there will be a rematch to settle the score if the fight could go either way, what do Caraballo have to prove in a rematch that he trained his chin to receive a punch, a weak chin will always remain a weak chin, give Caraballo a match against another top-caliber fighter and he will still get knockdowns or a knockout. If there will be a re-match, Sultan should aim for early KO. Because as he saw, the scorecards were almost not favoring on him despite of the 4 knock downs. And he managed to get only one point lead over Caraballo, despite of his performance. But if in case there will be a re-match, definitely, Caraballo will prepare for this to redeem himself. So Sultan should be very aware of the possible turn of events here. So he needs to target an early finish of the fight for the re-match.
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I saw the scorecards and the judges are heavily favoring Caraballo, rounds that do not have knockdown go to Caraballo, and why there is a need for a rematch it's a unanimous decision, the win obviously go to Sultan's favor, there will be a rematch to settle the score if the fight could go either way, what do Caraballo have to prove in a rematch that he trained his chin to receive a punch, a weak chin will always remain a weak chin, give Caraballo a match against another top-caliber fighter and he will still get knockdowns or a knockout.
The fight was held at Madison Square Garden, sort of Caraballo's homecourt as there a quiet number of Puerto Ricans living in the area, and that fight is Caraballo's because it was intended to showcase his talent amongst its people but the plan didn't materialize as Sultan derailed a little bit the progress of his career. Having a high knockout ratio in your fight record is a double-edged sword and that was what happened to Caraballo. The positive thing that happens to Caraballo is that this whole thing happened in a non-championship fight and now they realized that the road to glory is not knocking all the opponents out.
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The fight was held at Madison Square Garden, sort of Caraballo's homecourt as there a quiet number of Puerto Ricans living in the area, and that fight is Caraballo's because it was intended to showcase his talent amongst its people but the plan didn't materialize as Sultan derailed a little bit the progress of his career. Having a high knockout ratio in your fight record is a double-edged sword and that was what happened to Caraballo.
The positive thing that happens to Caraballo is that this whole thing happened in a non-championship fight and now they realized that the road to glory is not knocking all the opponents out.
All his previous winnings and knock outcomes from weak fighters he has a good ring generalship and big punches but unfortunately, the chin betrayed him this will the big issue whenever he is fighting a fighter as good as Sultan there are a lot of great fighters in his division it's time for his promoters to stop cherry-picking and go for top-caliber fighters, of course, he should train harder.
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November 02, 2021, 03:40:49 AM |
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I would also say Amik Khan reminded me of Caraballo, they are both good technical boxers but they are not durable and the Filipino fighter has a well-deserved win although the win is a bit controversial I think let's just move on since a win is still a win, just let the organization do the job if the judgement was fair and if not then someone has to be penalized according to the rule of the boxing organization.
Better to move on and wait if there's a rematch to happen. Caraballo deserves that rematch and if his fans and more boxing fans will call for this one, we might see the rematch to happen much earlier. Just a good chin and Sultan takes this one from Caraballo. The strong fighting determination of Sultan dominates and even there are controversial. He manages to take and win this fight. There are upcoming fights that we will go to watchout, this sports this getting fans' attentions back. I saw the scorecards and the judges are heavily favoring Caraballo, rounds that do not have knockdown go to Caraballo, and why there is a need for a rematch it's a unanimous decision, the win obviously go to Sultan's favor, there will be a rematch to settle the score if the fight could go either way, what do Caraballo have to prove in a rematch that he trained his chin to receive a punch, a weak chin will always remain a weak chin, give Caraballo a match against another top-caliber fighter and he will still get knockdowns or a knockout. But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
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November 02, 2021, 04:49:51 AM |
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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track. Yeah that's a good point if you're seeing it from Top Rank's point of view. If they go that path, it's possible that Sultan will also lose to someone else. Caraballo can take the belt back from the new champ I bet he wants an immediate rematch if he's the one calling the shots to redeem himself. Although it's his first, it wasn't a devastating loss that would lower his confidence in his own boxing skills.
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Apart from the 10-9 on one of the judge's score card on a knockdown, I'm not going to argue with the rest of the rounds. I think we can all agree that Caraballo is the more technical and efficient fighter throughout the match. He's unlucky that Sultan had a very tough chin despite landing clean and powerful shots of his own. I think a rematch is in order.
I'm not sure if a rematch will be a wise call for the camp of Caraballo. They just recently inked contract with Top Rank and hoping that this will be his first win and potentially he is promised of a good money in the future. However, Sultan derailed all their plans, lol, and they don't want to damage Caraballo early. So probably just another cherry pick fight for Caraballo to bring his confidence back and then knock out his opponents again just to get track. Yeah that's a good point if you're seeing it from Top Rank's point of view. If they go that path, it's possible that Sultan will also lose to someone else. Caraballo can take the belt back from the new champ I bet he wants an immediate rematch if he's the one calling the shots to redeem himself. Although it's his first, it wasn't a devastating loss that would lower his confidence in his own boxing skills. Top Rank is known to protect their fighters so I'm just thinking that they won't simply allow him to fight Sultan after that big lost. Someone mentions Caraballo's similarity to Amir Khan, and after Amir first lost to Breidis Prescott, he take an easy fight after that and win by TKO against Fagan. Not sure though if Amir that time was under the banner of Top Rank. But in any case, Caraballo is still very young and just look first for other fight after his first lost.
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November 02, 2021, 09:58:00 AM |
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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match. We don't know what will be the take of both promoters, if they see more money why not taking the risk of that call rematch? I also see your point and that's valid Caraballo indeed have a good career in the future if he will manage to developed better strategy avoiding to hit him much from his chin, the key factor where Sultan take this fight from him is the fact that the knockout really count well, if not from those Caraballo might take this fight easily from him.
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November 02, 2021, 11:40:31 AM |
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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
This is the toughest fight of Sultan, when he fought Ancajas and Casimero it's not like this, Sultan has a tough chin and strong leg, it's unfortunate that Caraballo does not have these two, he is a good puncher and his ring generalship is ok, he could become a champion one day but I doubt if he can attain greatness, although there is no need a rematch I love to see them in a legit world title match. Win or lose? they are both best in their field Caraballo is One of the most promising Boxer in Puerto Rico while Jonas Sultan is the one who called the next Nonito Donaire So i think both fighters are winner in this area though it is Sultan who had the votes. I can't wait to see rematch from these 2 boxers in the near future as i missed betting now maybe in the next i will be .
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November 02, 2021, 12:12:01 PM |
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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
Sultan won't be called One Punch man for nothing hehe, and unfortunately, Top Ranks prodigy was on the receiving end of those powerful punches. Sultan's handler/promoter, Sean Gibbons wants him to fight this year-end against a big name in the bantamweight division but all the three belt holders have an incoming fight this December so I guess he will be waiting for some to get a championship fight but one thing is definite, he won't fight Casimero as these two have become friends now.
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Dave1
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November 02, 2021, 12:22:57 PM |
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But the judges makes it very close though, and I think if Sultan got only 3 knockdown, he will still lost in this fight. So I'm also in favor of making this rematch, it could be very dangerous for Sultan, but if he can win by knockout, then the issue will be settled. I just admired Sultan touch chin and everyone was really talking about Caraballo's power. But he underestimate that Sultan is very durable and have a solid chin and him Caraballo can't even hold himself when Sultan hits him and he will instantly go down.
Sultan won't be called One Punch man for nothing hehe, and unfortunately, Top Ranks prodigy was on the receiving end of those powerful punches. Sultan's handler/promoter, Sean Gibbons wants him to fight this year-end against a big name in the bantamweight division but all the three belt holders have an incoming fight this December so I guess he will be waiting for some to get a championship fight but one thing is definite, he won't fight Casimero as these two have become friends now. I think there are a lot of Pinoys in this division, but eventually Sultan might face either one of them. Sean Gibbons shouldn't rush anything yet for Sultan, let him enjoy the fruits of his hard work, and probably goes for fighting another name fighters not Pinoy next year. I'm not surprised by the result though, but it was suprising to see that Caraballo has a weak chin he was really exposed in this fight.
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