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September 20, 2021, 06:01:46 PM
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Bitcoins are redeemable. I just redeemed some bitcoins for plane tickets.
That's trading not redeeming. The later is when the issuer of an instrument withdraws it out of circulation and pay redemption value in the process. Watch the video.

I have news for you. Dollars or your <X> fiat currency are not taken out of circulation either when you spent them (although they can be manually destroyed, just as amounts of cryptocurrency can be "burned" including Bitcoins if devs wanted to do that).

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September 20, 2021, 08:56:58 PM
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You have yet to explain why it is important for an issuer to issue something and then redeem it.
Because that's the reason financial instruments exist in the first place.
That means that the ability to issue and redeem is not important because financial instruments can be based on Bitcoin.
So, if you decide to redeem casino tokens, and the casino that issued them, says: "redeeming is not important because financial instruments can be based on numbers on plastic", you would be ok with that? Because, you see, bitcoin is a number on digital media. Just like all financial instruments are numbers on some media. So, given your thinking, redeeming is not important because financial instruments are numbers on media. Are you aware how nonsensical your thinking is?
You stated that redemption is necessary for financial instruments. I showed that your statement is false. Can you provide a different reason for the importance of redemption?

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September 21, 2021, 05:04:46 AM
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Bitcoins are redeemable. I just redeemed some bitcoins for plane tickets.
That's trading not redeeming. The later is when the issuer of an instrument withdraws it out of circulation and pay redemption value in the process. Watch the video.

I have news for you. Dollars or your <X> fiat currency are not taken out of circulation either when you spent them (although they can be manually destroyed, just as amounts of cryptocurrency can be "burned" including Bitcoins if devs wanted to do that).
The video explains in detail how dollars are redeemable, taken out of circulation and destroyed (if digital) with every loan repayment.
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September 21, 2021, 05:09:35 AM
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You have yet to explain why it is important for an issuer to issue something and then redeem it.
Because that's the reason financial instruments exist in the first place.
That means that the ability to issue and redeem is not important because financial instruments can be based on Bitcoin.
So, if you decide to redeem casino tokens, and the casino that issued them, says: "redeeming is not important because financial instruments can be based on numbers on plastic", you would be ok with that? Because, you see, bitcoin is a number on digital media. Just like all financial instruments are numbers on some media. So, given your thinking, redeeming is not important because financial instruments are numbers on media. Are you aware how nonsensical your thinking is?
You stated that redemption is necessary for financial instruments. I showed that your statement is false. Can you provide a different reason for the importance of redemption?
I stated the fact that all traditional financial instruments are redeemable numbers and that bitcoins are just numbers. You showed nothing. You just said that redemption is not important. Which is your personal opinion that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This topic is about facts, not people's opinions.
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September 21, 2021, 05:38:12 AM
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Ah, the old shill poster are back again, with his bullshit arguments to discredit Bitcoin.

The question is this... Do you want a "token" or worthless piece of paper that are being printed by mostly corrupt governments, that can be redeemed and ultimately destroyed and replaced with the same toilet paper currency? (The Supply are being manipulated to control the value of the fiat currency, that are backed by debt)

or

Do you want a "token" that cannot be controlled by corrupt governments and a currency with a fixed supply that cannot be manipulated? Also a currency that can change hands, without being damaged by excessive use or tainted by fecal matter and viruses and bacteria or Stripper sweat and/or traces of drugs (Cocaine sniffing)   Grin

Fiat currencies are losing it's value gradually over time, due to the uncontrolled printing of money by corrupt governments. Examples : Zimbabwe / Yemen / Haiti / Angola / Libya / Yugoslavia / Hungary.............. some even suffered hyperinflation.  Wink

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September 21, 2021, 07:44:11 AM
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I have news for you. Dollars or your <X> fiat currency are not taken out of circulation either when you spent them (although they can be manually destroyed, just as amounts of cryptocurrency can be "burned" including Bitcoins if devs wanted to do that).

You are right. The only time any kind of fiat is ever taken out of circulation is when the banks decide to replace them,,, to my understanding this is usually when they print new notes with new security, when they redominate or when they destroy bank notes that are too old/damaged. And this is always replaced, so circulation never goes down.

In fact, saving dollars in fiat in bank account causes new money to be printed as they always want money to be circulating in the economy. Hence when you save $100 in a bank, and the bank has $100 in credit, it loans out $100 to someone else. That borrower withdraws $100, your $100 still sits in the bank, but the bank orders $100 more new notes to be printed to give to the borrower.

This is fiat in a nutshell. $100 becomes $200 like magic.

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September 21, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
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You stated that redemption is necessary for financial instruments. I showed that your statement is false. Can you provide a different reason for the importance of redemption?
I stated the fact that all traditional financial instruments are redeemable numbers and that bitcoins are just numbers. You showed nothing. You just said that redemption is not important. ...

You are unable to show that redemption is important. Therefore, your video is invalid because it depends entirely on the non-existent importance of redemption.

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September 21, 2021, 03:20:45 PM
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Ah, the old shill poster are back again, with his bullshit arguments to discredit Bitcoin.

The question is this... Do you want a "token" or worthless piece of paper that are being printed by mostly corrupt governments, that can be redeemed and ultimately destroyed and replaced with the same toilet paper currency? (The Supply are being manipulated to control the value of the fiat currency, that are backed by debt)

or

Do you want a "token" that cannot be controlled by corrupt governments and a currency with a fixed supply that cannot be manipulated? Also a currency that can change hands, without being damaged by excessive use or tainted by fecal matter and viruses and bacteria or Stripper sweat and/or traces of drugs (Cocaine sniffing)   Grin

Fiat currencies are losing it's value gradually over time, due to the uncontrolled printing of money by corrupt governments. Examples : Zimbabwe / Yemen / Haiti / Angola / Libya / Yugoslavia / Hungary.............. some even suffered hyperinflation.  Wink
Watch the video. All your statements are refuted with it.
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September 21, 2021, 03:27:20 PM
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You stated that redemption is necessary for financial instruments. I showed that your statement is false. Can you provide a different reason for the importance of redemption?
I stated the fact that all traditional financial instruments are redeemable numbers and that bitcoins are just numbers. You showed nothing. You just said that redemption is not important. ...

You are unable to show that redemption is important. Therefore, your video is invalid because it depends entirely on the non-existent importance of redemption.
I am not here to debate what is important to people. That's individual thing. I'm here to state facts. Then, it is up to people to decide whether it is important for them to keep redeemable numbers or to replace them with just numbers. Video can't be invalid, as all it does is stating the fact that traditional financial instruments are redeemable, while bitcoin is not
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September 21, 2021, 03:43:10 PM
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The token is trump's private token. Not to have a broad community, maybe just its casino community. Bitcoin is all over the world. Yes, I know bitcoin could go bankrupt in the future. But it's a very difficult one because bitcoin already has a very large community now and continues to grow every year. We all know that this investment is very profitable.
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