BADecker is one of the most dedicated and successful trolls on the forum

[QuickAccount]

After seeing him around on Off Topic, and P&S, reading his posts and looking at his older posts, I have come to the conclusion that BADecker is one of the biggest trolls on this forum. It sealed my conclusion as well after a private conversation with him.

Im not personally attacking them, Im just saying that they are a gigantic troll.

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[jackg]

After seeing him around on Off Topic, and P&S, reading his posts and looking at his older posts, I have come to the conclusion that BADecker is one of the biggest trolls on this forum. It sealed my conclusion as well after a private conversation with him.

Im not personally attacking them, Im just saying that they are a gigantic troll.

You don't know how much I was hoping this post would be authored by him.

It's just dedication to reading up and going against what the popular opinion is but I think it kinda helps the p&s board be a bit different.

[RapTarX]

I don’t know if BADecker is a troll or not; I can't remember seeing his post recently.
But what BADecker being a troll have anything to do with the forum? Doesn’t forum allow troll? If it doesn’t, proceed with "Report to mod" and it does, what's wrong with that? If you don’t like personally, put him in your ignore list.

At best, you can move the reputation board. That's better fit such kinda post.
Edit- It's in reputation board 

[QuickAccount]

As I said, this is not an attack against him, I am just saying that he can never really give a straight answer, Im not gonna leak our pms, but he cant really stay on topic and always changes the topic to religion.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

As I said, this is not an attack against him, I am just saying that he can never really give a straight answer, Im not gonna leak our pms, but he cant really stay on topic and always changes the topic to religion.

So what's the purpose of this topic if it's not an "attack" on him? 

Scared that things might backfire on you?
Anyway, if you think someone has gone off-topic in some threads, always feel free to report to the moderators. Let the mods do the Job. If the problem persists, just ignore the user.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP, for those of us who don't visit P&S or Off-Topic because those sections contain so much garbage, it'd be nice if you included some quotes to back up your position if you're going to accuse someone of being a troll.  It's not like sharing PMs; it's easy enough to just copy/paste samples right into your thread here so the rest of us can judge and form an opinion without having to search his username and go through his post history.

That said, this isn't the first time somebody's complained about BADecker's posting style if I'm not mistaken.  I'm familiar with the name, though I can't say I've seen any of his posts in a long, long time.

So what's the purpose of this topic if it's not an "attack" on him? 

It's an attack.  That's like saying, "I'm not calling you fat, but goddamn you're fat, you fat ass!".

[QuickAccount]

If you are going to interpret this thread as an attack, its closed. Im not scared of it backfiring on me, but if you cant read my words when I say "This isnt an attack" then I dont want to have a discussion in the first place.

[eddie13]

Doesn’t matter..
I highly doubt he cares you think he is a troll..
I am almost certain he won’t get banned..

He is amusing and sometimes comes across cool info..

[Igebotz]

As I said, this is not an attack against him, I am just saying that he can never really give a straight answer, Im not gonna leak our pms, but he cant really stay on topic and always changes the topic to religion.

He's a master of copy and paste with thousands of obnoxious sources like, he's the type of guy who gives you one sentence and then gives you two references to read the rest. I wouldn't call him a troll, though. Yes, this is a personal attack; your topic line says it all. But do not worry the truth always set you free but not to your woman or in the court room, lawyers and women love liars.

Doesn’t matter..
I highly doubt he cares you think he is a troll....

He never left the P&S and Off-topic boards, so I'm sure he won't even know this thread exists. However, I always have the impression that he is a man my age who is mainly interested in politics.

[nutildah]

BADecker garnered a measly 4.5% of the vote in the Official Troll Poll of 2019. He is a troll indeed but far from the biggest. I find he's a great use case for employment of the Ignore button, and if I ever feel like losing 5-20 minutes of my time pointlessly arguing him, I take him off ignore.

[PrimeNumber7]

OP, did BADecker do anything to hurt you?

He posts, and makes arguments in ways that are different than most other people. He also has views that are not mainstream.

I am willing to bet that if he had views that conformed with how you think, you would be saying very different things about him. BADecker is not hurting anyone, nor is he disruptive. If you see a post of his that you disagree with, I would suggest that you refute what he is saying with a well reasoned argument.

[suchmoon]

BADecker is not particularly confrontational so calling him a troll is a bit of a stretch. He is a godawful (no pun intended) shitposter, flooding the board with low effort repetitive threads and off-topic tangents, untethered to reality and not bound by logic or reason. A caricature of the post-factual society we live in.

However if you believe he's a troll then creating a thread about him is not a smart thing to do. Unless you love trolls and enjoy nurturing them.

[o_e_l_e_o]

BADecker is not hurting anyone

He regularly recommends people poison themselves with substances which are known to be toxic and potentially fatal.

[PrimeNumber7]

BADecker is not hurting anyone

He regularly recommends people poison themselves with substances which are known to be toxic and potentially fatal.

What substances are you referring to? Ivermectin? I looked back through his post history through the beginning of this month, and couldn't find any mention of any other substance that you might describe as "toxic and potentially fatal".

[o_e_l_e_o]

What substances are you referring to? Ivermectin? I looked back through his post history through the beginning of this month, and couldn't find any mention of any other substance that you might describe as "toxic and potentially fatal".

His recommendations of ivermectin, HCQ, suramin, and other pharmaceuticals are certainly not benign - all these drugs come with serious and potentially fatal side effects, and are not effective for any of the conditions he says they are.

But no, I was talking more about when he tells people to drink bleach or chlorine dioxide, which he calls "MMS".

[Igebotz]

No, BADecker appears to be a medically inclined someone who would not counsel anyone to drink poisonous substances; instead, he would advise them to use the MMS to treat their water before drinking it and that bleach as a water treatment source kills coronavirus. (His theory)

But no, I was talking more about when he tells people to drink bleach or chlorine dioxide, which he calls "MMS".

He has already found the simple magic "pill." It's called MMS. MMS is sodium chlorite. When it is activated with an acid - like acids in vinegar, or citric acid - it works many times better than alone. This is because it become chlorine dioxside in the presence of an acid.

Chlorine dioxide is used worldwide to treat water. It kills off bacteriae and viruses in the same way in your body.

[eddie13]

Bleach in water works for uhhh, basically every city to kill anything that’s bad for you..
Pretty sure the government does it all the time..
We could get into how much to add to make water safe to drink, and how to store mass quantities in powdered form for prepping..

Anyone here going to deny that ivermectin does absolutely nothing in any way to help fend against a Covid infection??
I doubt it..

Don’t eat the whole tube of horse paste.. Do the math..
If you can’t do the math, eat 3 tubes.. (not really)

[PrimeNumber7]

What substances are you referring to? Ivermectin? I looked back through his post history through the beginning of this month, and couldn't find any mention of any other substance that you might describe as "toxic and potentially fatal".

But no, I was talking more about when he tells people to drink bleach or chlorine dioxide, which he calls "MMS".

Chlorine Dioxide is sold on Amazon in tablet form that is intended to "purify" contaminated water. I have not seen any data regarding if Chlorine Dioxide will help prevent covid, but my guess is probably not. When used appropriately, in the correct quantities, I don't think Chlorine Dioxide is going to be fatal.

If you consume too much water (even if it is not "treated" with Chlorine Dioxide), there is the potential for fatal side effects. Ditto with oxygen. Both are also needed for humans to survive.

His recommendations of ivermectin, HCQ, suramin, and other pharmaceuticals are certainly not benign - all these drugs come with serious and potentially fatal side effects, and are not effective for any of the conditions he says they are.

Typically, these drugs can only be consumed after receiving a prescription from a doctor.

I understand that you are a medical doctor, although I am not sure what your speciality is, or if you work in a hospital or a private practice. I think there is a good chance that you have prescribed chemotherapy to one of your patients (or if not, some of those you attended medical school with you have). As I am sure you are aware, chemotherapy is effectively poisoning specific parts of a person's body with the hope that said poison will kill off cancer. The effects of chemo have the potential to kill patients who are receiving said treatment. Before starting chemotherapy, doctors will discuss with patients the risks and benefits of said treatment.

The same is generally true (or it should be) for other drugs, including those that are unproven and/or "unapproved" for particular uses.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Water purification tablets are marketed and sold as water purification tablets, are regulated by the FDA (or similar) to contain a pure substance prepared in a safe manner in a specific dose which has been studied and is known to be safe when mixed with the required amount of water. MMS is marketed and sold as a miracle cure for HIV, cancer, autism, and more, is regulated by no one, is prepared using unknown methods which often results in contamination with toxic byproducts such as sodium chlorite, is of variable and usually unknown strength and concentration, and is taken in various unstudied dosages. The two are not comparable.

Similarly, a very specific regime of chemotherapy, prescribed by a trained physician in a medical setting, with all the observations, monitoring, blood work, etc., to ensure efficacy and safety and permit dose titrations, switching to different agents, or stopping therapy altogether is not comparable to a conspiracy nut telling people to take horse dewormer on a bitcoin forum.

Sure, all pharmaceuticals can cause side effects. This dose not give lunatics carte blanche to tell people to poison themselves. Also feel free to Google "MMS deaths" or similar to see that this absolutely can be fatal.

[OgNasty]

I hope he’s a troll. The other option would be that he’s batshit crazy. I appreciate he’s one of the few users here not afraid to speak out against the whiny Karen liberal crowd knowing he’ll be trolled forever by the thin skinned crybabies. If people think he’s serious, it’s a bad look since a lot of what he posts would make a tinfoil hat wearer blush.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Typically, these drugs can only be consumed after receiving a prescription from a doctor.

True, but I just saw ivermectin being sold over the counter in a tractor/feed supply store.  Don't ask me why I was there, because I won't answer you (lol), but it's certainly readily available--and it's been hyped as a cure for COVID for quite a while now.  And believe me, drugs of all kinds make their way out of the supply chain all the time.  There are many, many ways that can happen.  Not to mention that any drug can be synthesized if you know a little bit about organic chemistry and have the right lab equipment.

I was slightly curious as to how often he ever posts outside of P&S, and it turns out sometimes he also posts in Off-Topic. Over 95% of his posts have been in P&S or Off-Topic.

I wonder why someone would pick this forum to rant and rave about politics and oddball conspiracy theory stuff.  There are plenty of forums dedicated to those sorts of things.  My guess is that he probably belongs to some of them, but it's weird that he found his way to the P&S and Off-Topic sections of a forum with bitcoin as its main focus.

[nutildah]

I wonder why someone would pick this forum to rant and rave about politics and oddball conspiracy theory stuff.  There are plenty of forums dedicated to those sorts of things.  My guess is that he probably belongs to some of them, but it's weird that he found his way to the P&S and Off-Topic sections of a forum with bitcoin as its main focus.

For whatever reason he clearly enjoys it, I just can't for the life of me figure out how. He's not the classical attention hog troll -- for instance we won't see him here reveling in enjoyment in being discussed. He doesn't know about this thread, and I doubt he cares much about what happens outside of his own head.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

For whatever reason he clearly enjoys it, I just can't for the life of me figure out how. He's not the classical attention hog troll -- for instance we won't see him here reveling in enjoyment in being discussed. He doesn't know about this thread, and I doubt he cares much about what happens outside of his own head.

I'm sure he does enjoy it.  Why else would anyone spend significant amounts of time on a forum writing things, no matter how strange they may seem to the average person?  And as I said, there are forums where tin-foil hat brigades congregate and debate back and forth about some garboon's frame-by-frame analysis of the latest mass shooting.  They not only enjoy doing this stuff, I think it gets them off sexually.

That said, I haven't looked at BADecker's posts lately and don't know the last time I've seen one.  But whatever he's writing, it's probably not for the purposes of trolling anyone.  Just because someone takes a very nutty stance on something doesn't make them a troll--a lot of people really believe there are paid crisis actors at every mass casualty and that the planes that hit the towers on 9/11/01 were holograms.  Crazy, right?  Well, when those people show up on this forum it probably appears like they're trying to get a response out of the community, but to them they're just following their own pretzel-twisted train track of logic.

[eddie13]

Maybe he is paid opposition and makes more BTC than ChipMixer posters..

Guy might be filthy rich being paid by “them” in attempt to discredit positions he takes..
Like Alex Jones..


Don’t want the truth out? Mix it with crazy to discredit it all.. Like ufos for the last 50 years..

[PrimeNumber7]

Regulation

Regulation is just a form of government control and should be minimized/moderated. I would not oppose a treatment just because it is not regulated. Similarly, if you are in a dire situation, you should be willing to accept experimental treatments to potentially result in a positive outcome.

I think we probably disagree on a lot of the above.

Typically, these drugs can only be consumed after receiving a prescription from a doctor.

True, but I just saw ivermectin being sold over the counter in a tractor/feed supply store.  Don't ask me why I was there, because I won't answer you (lol), but it's certainly readily available--and it's been hyped as a cure for COVID for quite a while now.  And believe me, drugs of all kinds make their way out of the supply chain all the time.  There are many, many ways that can happen.  Not to mention that any drug can be synthesized if you know a little bit about organic chemistry and have the right lab equipment.

I doubt that ivermectin is a cure for Covid (but I really don’t know).  I can say that if a cure is found, it will be fiercely opposed by the establishment. Covid has simply allowed for those in power to have too much control for them to allow for any effective treatments.

[eddie13]

Similarly, if you are in a dire situation, you should be willing to accept experimental treatments to potentially result in a positive outcome.

Like mRNA modification?

[PrimeNumber7]

Similarly, if you are in a dire situation, you should be willing to accept experimental treatments to potentially result in a positive outcome.

Like mRNA modification?

Yes, I would gladly take a vaccine that uses an mRNA modification.

[suchmoon]

I can say that if a cure is found, it will be fiercely opposed by the establishment. Covid has simply allowed for those in power to have too much control for them to allow for any effective treatments.

That explains why the establishment is so fiercely opposed to the vaccine because it must be even worse for their devious purposes than a cure, it prevents most people from even getting sick.

[PrimeNumber7]

I can say that if a cure is found, it will be fiercely opposed by the establishment. Covid has simply allowed for those in power to have too much control for them to allow for any effective treatments.

That explains why the establishment is so fiercely opposed to the vaccine because it must be even worse for their devious purposes than a cure, it prevents most people from even getting sick.

Vaccines will become less effective as additional strains inevitably evolve from the original virus. Vaccine mandates are one additional way for politicians to control people, and will be the means for them to assert additional control over citizens.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Similarly, if you are in a dire situation, you should be willing to accept experimental treatments to potentially result in a positive outcome.

You should be willing to accept experimental treatments as part of a controlled trial, which have appropriate lab data to suggest their efficacy, which have been through appropriate safety studies, are produced in a controlled and safe manner, and are given by trained professionals at an appropriate dose in an appropriate setting to deal with any unknown or unforeseen side effects. You shouldn't experiment on yourself with random chemicals because a stranger on the internet told you to. Again, the two are not comparable.

[PrimeNumber7]

Similarly, if you are in a dire situation, you should be willing to accept experimental treatments to potentially result in a positive outcome.

You should be willing to accept experimental treatments as part of a controlled trial, which have appropriate lab data to suggest their efficacy, which have been through appropriate safety studies, are produced in a controlled and safe manner, and are given by trained professionals at an appropriate dose in an appropriate setting to deal with any unknown or unforeseen side effects. You shouldn't experiment on yourself with random chemicals because a stranger on the internet told you to. Again, the two are not comparable.

Ultimately, scientists need to experiment to determine what the "appropriate" dosages for various drugs are. All drugs need to be tested on people before it can be said they are "safe" for humans to use. All drugs also will at one point not have data suggesting they have sufficient efficacy.

There are also situations in which the ability for a particular drug to help a patient is speculative, but the patient's situation is sufficiently dire that it will be compassionate to allow the patient to "try" the drug.

[DaveF]

...You shouldn't experiment on yourself with random chemicals because a stranger on the internet told you to....

Isn't that what we keep college students who use the darknet markets around for?

On an interesting note, for those of you who have not been following the Epik hack:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/09/anonymous-leaks-gigabytes-of-data-from-epik-web-host-of-gab-and-parler/

At least two of the sites that BADecker likes to post information from were using them.
Have to download the torrent and parse the data see who is behind them.

Or just wait for someone else to put it up in human readable form.

-Dave

[o_e_l_e_o]

Ultimately, scientists need to experiment to determine what the "appropriate" dosages for various drugs are. All drugs need to be tested on people before it can be said they are "safe" for humans to use. All drugs also will at one point not have data suggesting they have sufficient efficacy.

There are very specific phases of clinical trials which drugs must pass through before going in to general production. None of these involve random people buying a random drug and self administering it in random dosages for conditions with little to no data for said drug.

To get back on topic to BADecker here, I'm unclear as to why you are defending someone who any rational person would agree is spreading incorrect and dangerous information.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

You know what we do with trolls? We ignore them and not make a topic about them because that's exactly how they thrive, through the spread of the word about their work and how they made someone mad to the point that they made a topic about the troll.

[sirazimuth]

Well I'll be jiggered! A thread devoted to my good buddy BADecker..lol
I've always wondered if he actually believes the garbage he posts in the threads he spams the p+s section with, or he just loves the attention, or maybe he is just plain old bloody bonkers. Who knows.
He nearly always replies to me when I take the mickey outta him, which is why I kinda like him in a strange way. I think I even shot him a merit once. (I must have been three sheets to the wind)
I used to frequently post in the plethora of atheist threads that he always turned up in with his godswill preaching nonsense.
The claptrap debates he had with another nutter on the Flat Earth thread were epic.
Nowadays, I occasionally troll him if I'm bored and had a few, but at the end of the day you might as well beat a dead horse.

..... He doesn't know about this thread....

Well that's easily fixed....

[PrimeNumber7]

To get back on topic to BADecker here, I'm unclear as to why you are defending someone who any rational person would agree is spreading incorrect and dangerous information.

Well I firmly believe that people are entitled to say what they believe, or what they say they believe.

I would also disagree that “any rational person” would agree that what he posts is “dangerous”. He is certainly promoting unproven treatments. There is also very little data on the treatments he is promoting.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Well I firmly believe that people are entitled to say what they believe, or what they say they believe.

As do I, which is why I've never tried to have any of his posts deleted. There is a significant difference between defending free speech and defending the individuals which use that free speech to tell provable lies.

I would also disagree that “any rational person” would agree that what he posts is “dangerous”. He is certainly promoting unproven treatments. There is also very little data on the treatments he is promoting.

If you don't think that telling people to experiment on themselves with unstudied treatments or drink bleach isn't dangerous, then I don't really know that to say.

[Igebotz]

I would also disagree that “any rational person” would agree that what he posts is “dangerous”. He is certainly promoting unproven treatments. There is also very little data on the treatments he is promoting.

If you don't think that telling people to experiment on themselves with unstudied treatments or drink bleach isn't dangerous, then I don't really know that to say.

If I gave you a gun to rob a bank, I would expect you to DYOR for your own protection rather than running to the bank like a dumb robot. Coming online to share what has worked for me in the past is not the same as telling someone to commit suicide. I can confidently tell you to buy Panado xtra to relieve headaches because I've used it before and it worked for me. As a reasonable individual, you are expected to take according to your age and not overdose like a stupid robot.

Chlorine oxide contains one chlorine atom and two oxygen and it's well known as a water disinfectant it poses no health risk unless when taken overdose

[jcojci]

Troll or not, but this forum have that person or more

It's also happening in real life when you see people from your neighborhood who act the same as him. So let him do what he wants. If you don't like it, you don't have to say anything