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One of the members responsible for that increase is definitely @GazetaBitcoin. He has been very active lately in cleaning the altcoin section from all that paid redundant crap, based on this list. For example, just yesterday he reported 2255 posts, which is insane number. Majority of people don't report that much in a year, let alone a day or two. Yeah, I probably handled over 2000 of their reports last period, and no doubt other staff also handled a lot of them. So, that definitely played a part in the final statistics. Though, I suspect that there were other areas in the forum which were pretty busy last month. I suspect this month judging on the reports I've seen myself, and bare in mind I don't see all sections. I expect lower figures this month, but definitely a little more than previous months. Though, that's based on the amount I've seen currently, the period is far from over yet.
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Period Oct 27 - Nov 26 2021. In this period, 7663 reports handled as good, 430 handled as bad, 171 unhandled.
Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled.
This is astonishing - We went from a total of 8.264 reports to 21.562 reports in just a month! That's a 160.91% increase! Is it usually like this in this time of the year or something else happened (since the word "handled" is used, I assume it means that some reports could have come from a backlog?) A couple of users have been reporting shitloads of old bumps recently so that will be a big contributing factor. I wouldn't be surprised if I handled nearly a thousand bump reports alone last month. Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up.
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Period Nov 26 - Dec 26. In this period, 21047 reports handled as good, 403 handled as bad, 112 unhandled.
I'm glad I can still help the forum stay clear of most spam posts even though during the month of December I didn't have much reporting activity. However, we also still have a fair amount of contributions from other users who are willing to report spam. Thank you also for all the reports that you have handled during the November - December period. Friends, I'm just curious about this possibility, is it possible to report spammers and their posts on the gambling board if I find they only post 100% on the gambling board [without any contribution to the forum] just to qualify for weekly payouts on the campaign?
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Thanks for the stats. December, as I expected, turned out to be the most productive month in terms of sending reports. Thanks to all reporters for their activity and contribution to reporting. I also managed to contribute to this December record. I also saw that GazetaBitcoin showed increased activity in sending reports last month. I think in January there will be similar numbers. Or maybe even higher. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Hopefully, after my previous statement of it seeming calmer this month I've just handled a lot of reports. Probably around the 500 mark. Friends, I'm just curious about this possibility, is it possible to report spammers and their posts on the gambling board if I find they only post 100% on the gambling board [without any contribution to the forum] just to qualify for weekly payouts on the campaign?
Yeah, report anything that you believe to be spam. The moderator handling it will use their own discretion. If it's not immediately obvious what your reporting it for, include as much detail as possible. However, in general anyone posting low quality content in order to satisfy their signature campaign quota can be reported to the moderators, as well as the signature campaign manager.
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Yeah, report anything that you believe to be spam. The moderator handling it will use their own discretion. If it's not immediately obvious what your reporting it for, include as much detail as possible. However, in general anyone posting low quality content in order to satisfy their signature campaign quota can be reported to the moderators, as well as the signature campaign manager. Thanks, I got a satisfactory answer from the moderator. The first step is how can I detect spammers and who is doing it just to fulfill their weekly quota, this will surely be difficult but I will do my best without any interest [only contributions].Previously I have also managed to detect them in several campaign and I have reported them to the manager, of course I didn't do it because I don't want them to be paid but I can say that every post and their activity is never for the sake of the forum [quality] but only for personal interests [quantity].
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Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up. Out of curiosity: if I report one post and write: "many shitposts, please check post history", and the Mod deletles spam from his post history, does that earn the Mod something too? Or just in general if a Mod removes a post that hasn't been reported: is that incentivized in any way?
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Also, theymos changed the payment algorithm back in May and now I think it's more proportional to how many reports you handle so maybe that's a factor. I know I at least have to handle a lot more reports for the payments to be anywhere near how they used to be before the change so maybe everyone is handling more now to keep up. Out of curiosity: if I report one post and write: "many shitposts, please check post history", and the Mod deletles spam from his post history, does that earn the Mod something too? Or just in general if a Mod removes a post that hasn't been reported: is that incentivized in any way? I wouldn't know ultimately as theymos keeps the actual details of the algorithm secret so mods can't try game it. Makes sense really as many mods would probably just concentrate on what earned them the most if they knew. The weighting of merely just deleting a post is probably minimal though and it's actually handling the report that will be the bulk of it so if you really wanted to help mods reports are where it's at, but at the same time it's not always necessary for you to waste your time reporting every post. If deleting a post carried a lot of weight staff might be more heavy handed and start removing posts that don't really need to be removed so maybe that's another good reason. The way staff are paid can't be perfect though as it doesn't take into consideration PMs reported and issues handled with that. I've suggested before that PM reports should also go into a queue which can be handled/marked bad like current reports are. Hopefully it will be on the new forum.
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is that incentivized in any way?
I'd say its probably best to avoid thinking what's best for the moderators in terms of getting paid, and just use common sense when reporting. So, if the thread is fairly obvious what needs to be removed or the user in question is a mass spammer, then its probably more time efficient for both the moderator, and yourself to just report with a "check post history" rather than going through their entire post history, and reporting it. Same as threads, sometimes with obvious cases its just best to report one post, and indicate there's more posts like it in the thread. For example, a lot users do this with bumps. Also, sometimes when reporting consecutive reports some users report each post, when really only one needs to be reported. The way staff are paid can't be perfect though as it doesn't take into consideration PMs reported and issues handled with that. I've suggested before that PM reports should also go into a queue which can be handled/marked bad like current reports are. Hopefully it will be on the new forum.
I always assumed they went into the same queue as traditional reports. I'm assuming that its the default way that SMF handles these types of reports, and its too much hassle to change rather than it being intentional?
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An interesting stat to measure would be the percentage of posts that have been deleted, either across the forum or (better) within each board.
It feels as though certain boards would have a number 20%+ or higher, were all the spam posts to be reported.
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An interesting stat to measure would be the percentage of posts that have been deleted, either across the forum or (better) within each board.
It feels as though certain boards would have a number 20%+ or higher, were all the spam posts to be reported.
I would say most sections would have over a 20% handled ratio, as opposed to bad or unhandled reports. I'd go as far as saying its probably well over 50%. What would be interesting is seeing the amount of posts deleted which haven't been reported across the forum, unless that's what you meant. I expect that the final figure would probably show how vital reports are in the grand scheme of things.
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Period Dec 26 - Jan 25. In this period, 30232 reports handled as good, 711 handled as bad, 299 unhandled.
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Period Dec 26 - Jan 25. In this period, 30232 reports handled as good, 711 handled as bad, 299 unhandled. Thanks. The best result in terms of the number of reports in the last 2 years. Interestingly, is there any data in which particular section was the main number of reports sent out of these 30 000? I think it was Marketplace and Altcoin sections. Only theymos will have that data. Anecdotally I would say that it's the marketplace right now due to people reporting a lot of old bumps. Then maybe spam in alt coin sections.
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Period Jan 25 - Feb 24. In this period, 53968 reports handled as good, 490 handled as bad, 387 unhandled.
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If rely on the statistics in the first post, then this is a new forum record for the number of reports sent per month. The previous one lasted over 3 years.
Yeah, although I do expect this number to go back to normal levels in the next few weeks. There's been a lot of users which have seemed to have come back recently, and pick up their old habits of reporting, which is nice to see. Although, at least on the reports I see, a lot of these reports are coming from here, which is getting close to being completely cleaned. I do know there's a lot of reports happening in the marketplace section of the forum, though. So, while I said I expect it to go back down to normal levels, it'll probably be a little bit above that. Nice to see users are now becoming a little more motivated in reporting though, as we did have a few months which seemed like quite a few users turned a little hostile towards reporting.
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If rely on the statistics in the first post, then this is a new forum record for the number of reports sent per month. The previous one lasted over 3 years.
Yeah, although I do expect this number to go back to normal levels in the next few weeks. It seems like the people reporting the old bumps have slowed to a halt. Either they got bored or run out of ones to report as there's only going to be so many to find. I think they peaked last month as I alone handled an insane amount. ~
I have this question. On the page https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php, the following lines are often found: Nuke user: N/A in topic #0 by member #3455015 Such actions of moderators are included in the monthly report statistics, and if not, are they taken into account anywhere at all? Or is there no counting for such nuke actions? They will be counted if you nuke a user someone has reported a post of. For instance, if a spambot appears and makes a spam post, someone will report that post. If a mod sees that report and straight up nukes that account (I believe) that will auto handle the report and credit them with the action. If I just nuked someone without a report it might count somehow in the payment algorithm but it probably wouldn't be counted in the report stats. Theymos could probably scrape the nuke stats but he doesn't post them anywhere.
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They will be counted if you nuke a user someone has reported a post of. For instance, if a spambot appears and makes a spam post, someone will report that post. If a mod sees that report and straight up nukes that account (I believe) that will auto handle the report and credit them with the action. If I just nuked someone without a report it might count somehow in the payment algorithm but it probably wouldn't be counted in the report stats. Theymos could probably scrape the nuke stats but he doesn't post them anywhere.
IIRC, BadBear had posted that if you report a post as being an excessive bump, and that post gets deleted (by the OP), your report will also get deleted (or presumably in a prominent status of "unhandled"). The above may does not exactly match a newbie having a post reported who is nuked. Assuming theymos is not going to comment on the affect of nuking a user on any reports against that user, someone could report a single post made by a newbie, a mod could nuke said newbie, and the user could see what happens to their report stats.
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IIRC, BadBear had posted that if you report a post as being an excessive bump, and that post gets deleted (by the OP), your report will also get deleted (or presumably in a prominent status of "unhandled").
If the post is deleted by the author it's automatically marked as "Good" after a minute or two. IIRC, BadBear had posted
Name: BadBear [...] Last Active: April 02, 2018, 12:39:12 PM
Name: PrimeNumber7 [...] Date Registered: March 12, 2019, 06:45:31 AM Should have used your other account here.
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I have had several reports in the gambling section where the reports were unhandled by the mod to date. I truly believe that users are spammers and the posts I report are made just to fulfill the signature campaign quota without caring about quality. I don't see them as quality posters where almost 100% of their efforts are spam.
The problem however is, 98% of the posts I report on that gambling section are left unhandled while posts on other boards are almost 100% handled with tag good. So far I don't know what the problem is, could you please tell me about it and should I stop reporting posts on gambling board if it is unhandled in a long time?
I'm willing to tell you via PM about some users I think are spammers [if necessary] and you can verify for yourself.
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The problem however is, 98% of the posts I report on that gambling section are left unhandled while posts on other boards are almost 100% handled with tag good. So far I don't know what the problem is, could you please tell me about it and should I stop reporting posts on gambling board if it is unhandled in a long time?
I've noticed that very little if anything gets deleted e.g. in soccer discussion threads, even lame shit like "this team won this team is very good because player X played well and very good coach and <insert rephrased copy pasta from another post about another team two pages ago>" and yes, it's coming in bursts of posts across a few threads once or twice a week to fulfill their Gambling board quotas. I have mostly stopped reporting those, waste of time. Maybe I just don't understand soccer - this could be the expected level of intelligence for those discussions.
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I've noticed that very little if anything gets deleted e.g. in soccer discussion threads, even lame shit like "this team won this team is very good because player X played well and very good coach and <insert rephrased copy pasta from another post about another team two pages ago>" and yes, it's coming in bursts of posts across a few threads once or twice a week to fulfill their Gambling board quotas. I have mostly stopped reporting those, waste of time. Maybe I just don't understand soccer - this could be the expected level of intelligence for those discussions. I would probably stop reporting posts like that if the mod wouldn't handle it for long times. At now, a total of 236 of my reports remain unhandled. I'm wondering what the reason is, but once you answer my question then it would be best if I don't deal with spam posts there anymore and stop reporting them [will keep spam hunting on other boards].
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