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September 18, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

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September 18, 2021, 05:13:55 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

That really depends on life circumstances. Is someone taking drugs and getting addicted to online gambling automatically less intelligent that someone who doesn't get into that situation? I would highly doubt that. You can be in personal trouble or whatever problem you might have in a certain situation, stuff that can make you vulnerable to bad influence that usually wouldn't harm you in the slightest.

Also, age plays a big role. I have made bad decisions with 15/16 years that I would never repeat again.

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September 18, 2021, 05:19:53 PM
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We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?
If we take the time to really watch any ad that you can see on TV you will see that most of the time the product is not advertised over its merits and instead the ads are manipulative so I am not surprised that we are now seeing something similar on YouTube videos, however if the review is sponsored and it is presented as such then I have no problems with it as they are basically telling you they are being paid to give the review, however if the review is sponsored but the person denies this then this is not ethical and it is a problem.
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September 18, 2021, 09:28:09 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

That really depends on life circumstances. Is someone taking drugs and getting addicted to online gambling automatically less intelligent that someone who doesn't get into that situation? I would highly doubt that. You can be in personal trouble or whatever problem you might have in a certain situation, stuff that can make you vulnerable to bad influence that usually wouldn't harm you in the slightest.

Also, age plays a big role. I have made bad decisions with 15/16 years that I would never repeat again.

But if you exclude age, then everything that you have listed - drugs, some personal problems, illness, etc. it is not a problem of who is doing advertising or is your counterparty in any transaction. If a person is considered capable, then all his decisions are his responsibility. Because if you consider it differently, then unexpectedly for yourself, you may face the cancellation of transactions unilaterally and other things due to the fact that the counterparty "had some problems".

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September 18, 2021, 10:14:46 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.
It only becomes unethical if they posted it without age restrictions this only means they encourage younger people to gamble, so if its uploaded on youtube they must activate the restrictions. Advertisement is fine I personally register on some suggested sites because of Youtube but then I realize that his winnings might not real since he’s advertising the site and he is being paid for that, probably playing the money of casinos just to give false advertisement which is still legal.
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September 18, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.
It only becomes unethical if they posted it without age restrictions this only means they encourage younger people to gamble, so if its uploaded on youtube they must activate the restrictions. Advertisement is fine I personally register on some suggested sites because of Youtube but then I realize that his winnings might not real since he’s advertising the site and he is being paid for that, probably playing the money of casinos just to give false advertisement which is still legal.

Yes posting any content without putting any age restriction towards gambling activities also post a good to be true claims just to lure people and promote their referral links towards their followers is totally unethical but if the content creator promotes responsible gamble and only posting out base on his reviews then they are totally good and a content creator to follow since they can guide people on how to became responsible towards there playing decision.

And most important thing on this is don't follow a content creator who have sponsor videos(Not all but almost) since for sure you will only get hyping or untrue contents.

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September 18, 2021, 10:46:53 PM
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Many content creators are only in for the money not after effects of the information no they had pass to the public. It's not unethical because it's one of the strategies that are used in the market industries to attract be customers. A marketer which could be an advertiser can indicator the some traits to really be point at who or what the advert is being made for.

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September 18, 2021, 11:13:43 PM
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I guess these guys would do anything to grow their user base because the competition is quite high as we have a very huge number of gambling companies in this ecosystem all competing to win customers on to their platforms.

In terms of being ethical, well If there are disclaimers and consent to get these users to do these marketing gigs for them...I honestly don't see anything wrong to be honest. It's not like it's a free service,  there is some form of reward for it so I guess it's just business.

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September 18, 2021, 11:15:42 PM
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Many content creators are only in for the money not after effects of the information no they had pass to the public. It's not unethical because it's one of the strategies that are used in the market industries to attract be customers. A marketer which could be an advertiser can indicator the some traits to really be point at who or what the advert is being made for.
This is what I'm trying to say, for them it's ethical since it's part of the marketing strategy as long as they don't feel any shame on it. But of course, if they were actors and so used to it then they already master it while for some people they think that they were genuinely playing with their own money but most of the time they don't, they have someone who's ready to dump some money in order to gain something back.

Just like how these online games these days streamers are gaining free stuffs from the game because their content is all about the game and of course you should be good with it. And for gambling I don't think they will ever going to reveal their strategy in front of the people so expect that they were doing something in order to gain some people's trust but in reality they were just actors.

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September 18, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.

That really depends on life circumstances. Is someone taking drugs and getting addicted to online gambling automatically less intelligent that someone who doesn't get into that situation? I would highly doubt that. You can be in personal trouble or whatever problem you might have in a certain situation, stuff that can make you vulnerable to bad influence that usually wouldn't harm you in the slightest.

Also, age plays a big role. I have made bad decisions with 15/16 years that I would never repeat again.

But if you exclude age, then everything that you have listed - drugs, some personal problems, illness, etc. it is not a problem of who is doing advertising or is your counterparty in any transaction. If a person is considered capable, then all his decisions are his responsibility. Because if you consider it differently, then unexpectedly for yourself, you may face the cancellation of transactions unilaterally and other things due to the fact that the counterparty "had some problems".

I would argue that you are a bit wrong here to say the least. We have some very dangerous tendencies in society not because people are less intelligent today, but because it is easier to be influenced by things that sent you off your own path, the path you would take by making your own decisions without being overwhelmed from the outside.
Diabetes isn't rising because people are less intelligent. Same for porn addiction, it is just the availability. People socialize less today because of social networks and the digital space growing, and many of those things happening these days aren't healthy.
And where is the line when you would say someone is capable or not? Also, it is scientifically proven that there are people who are genetically more receptive for addictions than others, so are they less intelligent?
I am not speaking against advertising stuff, but luring people into buying something with dubious techniques is questionable. One was mentioned before and that is when someone gets paid to play online casino games where something might be rigged. You see, it could even be rigged without the streamer knowing about it I can imagine. Like they get paid $10,000 to play on a website, and what a lucky they have out of a sudden, they keep winning and winning because there is a wonderful software running in the background and they don't even know about it.
I think as soon as advertisements strongly tend to portray false chances or promises, that is a red line.

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September 19, 2021, 11:16:42 AM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.
It only becomes unethical if they posted it without age restrictions this only means they encourage younger people to gamble, so if its uploaded on youtube they must activate the restrictions. Advertisement is fine I personally register on some suggested sites because of Youtube but then I realize that his winnings might not real since he’s advertising the site and he is being paid for that, probably playing the money of casinos just to give false advertisement which is still legal.

It must be admitted that inaccurate advertising is allowed not only for casinos, almost all advertising around speaks only of the pros, but hides the minuses, this can hardly be considered an objective presentation of information.
As for the issue under discussion, I think that age restrictions are observed there - YouTube has a rather tough policy and it is unlikely that someone will risk banning the channel for a one-time profit.

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September 19, 2021, 12:00:48 PM
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Business is business, these people who are influencers are working to make money, they are paid by a gambling site or sites to promote them, so there's nothing wrong with that. If we talk about whether it's ethical or not, then a simple question would answer that, and that is, is gambling ethical?

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September 19, 2021, 12:07:33 PM
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We all have seen dozen videos of streamers on twitch/youtube who play with huge amount of money and sometimes win a lot. Overall, the main idea behind these streams is that if you have huge bankroll, then you have a higher chance of win greater amounts of money. This is done in order to attract people with higher bankroll instead of low ones. While I was always saying that adult person is independent in his/her choice and if he/she does anything, it's only his fault, I still look at this marketing like a dirt trick to attract people with bankroll more than they are afford to lose.

Most of the times I have seen youtubers who were using high quality equipment, tech support, etc and had different casino themes on their video but were acting like an actors and were swearing that they were playing with their own money.

So, what do you guys think, is this kind of marketing ethical?

Well, that is not practical dude, those community investors who get attracted using twitch or youtube are the one who have a lot of money only, but the people who are in the average only like me can't able to get involve to that trick. Meaning, small amount of money in the bankroll the chances of winning is very low or minimal.

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September 19, 2021, 12:14:59 PM
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They are playing with the real money but the money is completely sponsored by the platform they are promoting it means the user is not going to lose any money from his pocket while get a hige chunk as their salary for such promotion but this isn't have any ethical issues because they are just promoting which is why they are getting paid for it meanwhile they can get more respect if they reveal it to their followers.









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September 19, 2021, 12:15:04 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.
If we think this way, we are going to blame the victims instead of the guilty in different situations, with the excuse the victim wasn't smart enough to avoid being deceived by the malicious person. Of course high levels of awareness and distrust are needed to stay safe in a dirty world like this one, but I believe we shouldn't banalize these situations and accept them as normal.

The correct in a healthy society would be to trust what people say, especially if they are advertising something, without the fear we are being cheated by them. And I believe that should be the aim of a good marketing campaign. Lies may work and be profitable on short run, but only truth can build solid bases and thrive on long run.

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September 19, 2021, 12:24:47 PM
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Business is business, these people who are influencers are working to make money, they are paid by a gambling site or sites to promote them, so there's nothing wrong with that. If we talk about whether it's ethical or not, then a simple question would answer that, and that is, is gambling ethical?
Yes, that is because money smells good so that makes the influencers want to accept the job and spread the word about the site. Whether the influencer is getting paid from the casino or not, we are not sure about that and do not have to think much about that. Yes, the simple answer will be back to ourselves, whether it is ethical or unethical. We can say that unethical, but how about them?

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September 19, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
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I regard people as intelligent beings capable of independent decisions and conclusions. Therefore, I do not see anything unethical in such advertising. If it is very easy to deceive you (or rather create a mistaken opinion) with the help of such simple techniques, then this is first of all your problem and you need to raise your level of awareness and a critical view of the world.
If we think this way, we are going to blame the victims instead of the guilty in different situations, with the excuse the victim wasn't smart enough to avoid being deceived by the malicious person. Of course high levels of awareness and distrust are needed to stay safe in a dirty world like this one, but I believe we shouldn't banalize these situations and accept them as normal.

The correct in a healthy society would be to trust what people say, especially if they are advertising something, without the fear we are being cheated by them. And I believe that should be the aim of a good marketing campaign. Lies may work and be profitable on short run, but only truth can build solid bases and thrive on long run.

No. Just in a healthy society, everyone should understand that for an objective understanding, you should not rely on someone else's opinion or advertising, but study the issue from different angles and then make a decision. And the consequences of this decision will be entirely on you. If you want to get into the ideal world where everyone is telling the truth, then most likely you will be upset because there is no such world yet. If you want someone (like the state) to determine what people are allowed to speak or advertise, then most likely you will fall into totalitarianism.

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 #78

Business is business, these people who are influencers are working to make money, they are paid by a gambling site or sites to promote them, so there's nothing wrong with that. If we talk about whether it's ethical or not, then a simple question would answer that, and that is, is gambling ethical?
Gambling can be ethical and non ethical if the will to gamble or promote gambling site is of good will. If gambling starts involving fraudulent acts then it will start to become unethical cause the aim of gambling will have changed it direction. Promotion of gambling platforms is ethical but if it is done in a fraudulent manner then we call say that it's unethical.

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September 19, 2021, 04:18:21 PM
 #79

A lot of these Streamers are affiliates of the casinos that they represent, so these casinos are funding their bankroll. It is also rumoured that these paid Streamers are using a "lucky" Seed provided by the casinos and that they are receiving a special RTP to increase their winnings. (There is no proof to back up these rumors, but that is the big debate that is doing the rounds)

Eddie from Stake.com was banned several times for advertising on Twitch and he had to continue his regular Saturday streaming on another platform. (DLive) where the rules are more forgiving.  Wink  (So these popular platforms are clamping down on advertising linked to gambling)  Wink

 

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September 19, 2021, 06:01:19 PM
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As being said, it's marketing. Those companies that are hiring these streamers are only giving scripts to these people that they hire so obviously, they're only following what's on the script and that is to make them look the best in the eyes of their viewers. It's always the catch needed for these companies to attract new customers coming in. Its advertising is making people easy looking at their product as what these streamers show to them.

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