HiveOS VS Braiins

[Texnoz]

I see alot of people prefer Braiins over HiveOS and or change from HiveOS too braiins after used, are there any particular reasons Braiins is superior and HiveOS shouldn't be used?

[BitMaxz]

It might be due to the dev fee Braiins OS only asks for a 2% fee with 0% pool fee if you mine on slushpool and HiveOS is around 2.8% dev fee.

Another thing is Braiins OS has more features than HiveOS you can check them on their documentation or these links below.

- https://hiveos.farm/hiveon-asic-firmware-general-asic_faq/
- https://docs.braiins.com/os/plus-en/index.html

[taserz]

It might be due to the dev fee Braiins OS only asks for a 2% fee with 0% pool fee if you mine on slushpool and HiveOS is around 2.8% dev fee.

Another thing is Braiins OS has more features than HiveOS you can check them on their documentation or these links below.

- https://hiveos.farm/hiveon-asic-firmware-general-asic_faq/
- https://docs.braiins.com/os/plus-en/index.html

Braiins takes more than 2% they only take that on the older miners.

[din-flaunt-DEADLOCK]

Just got my asic miner this week and played a little with both options.

What I liked about hive:
great interface
individual chip display, really cool
web control interface, allowing you to manage all your miners centrally (you can even upgrade and downgrade the firmware from there)
fast tuning
better monitoring data (can display stats for more than a day)
provides more extensive data
ssh blocked by default


What I liked about braiins
simpler interface
better tuning (got about 3-4% faster hashrates), but took ages
pool fees are refunded (not sure how this works)
boards runs at lower voltages (0.2V lower)
seems the fans work better
allows you to mine to several pools simultaneously
tries to reduce power to the miner when the temperature rises (Dynamic Power Scaling)
openwrt backend (though it is pretty old v17), just hope they keep the components upgraded
think this is build is not based on bitmain

[mikeywith]

pool fees are refunded (not sure how this works)

I believe this is only true if you mine on Slushpool.

allows you to mine to several pools simultaneously

Really? how? do you mean you can split the hashrate between two different mining pools?

think this is build is not based on bitmain

You are right, this isn't a moded firmware, BO was coded from scratch, the BO+ version is just an improved version of it.

[din-flaunt-DEADLOCK]

allows you to mine to several pools simultaneously

Really? how? do you mean you can split the hashrate between two different mining pools?

You create multiple groups and assign a processing quota. So you can mine the groups at different rates

[kano]

allows you to mine to several pools simultaneously

Really? how? do you mean you can split the hashrate between two different mining pools?

You create multiple groups and assign a processing quota. So you can mine the groups at different rates

Yeah copied directly from cgminer - that's been there in cgminer forever ...
I guess bos may have copied it
https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer/blob/master/README
Search for quota

[Florida-Man]

allows you to mine to several pools simultaneously

Really? how? do you mean you can split the hashrate between two different mining pools?

You create multiple groups and assign a processing quota. So you can mine the groups at different rates

Yeah copied directly from cgminer - that's been there in cgminer forever ...
I guess bos may have copied it
https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer/blob/master/README
Search for quota

Any idea what the bat would look like for BFGminer to split hasing power among different pools?

[ruber1]

I tried Braiins 8-10 months ago, and Braiins seems to have fried 2 of my hashboards (1 in each of 2 S17 Pro units) during the initial tune.
Machines had run fine for over a year and a half, and on first run of each machine, killed a board on each.
One I was able to get back for a short term by re-attaching heatsink that shifted (moved but did not fall off)
So they appear to tune from a high power down initially rather than up I assume, resulting in an overheat? This is a guess as I did not research further.
I don't know, just abandoned after it killed two boards.
1 may have been a fluke but 2 is more than that.
Again this was about 8-10 months ago.

[Artemis3]

Loose heatsinks are a staple of the x17 family, this has nothing to do with firmware.

Also, the power limit exists for a reason. If you are paranoid, you should have lowered this value first.

In reality, the correct fix is to resolder all heatsinks before even powering up these machines. Else you enter a roulette. Will a heatsink fall or not? You never know. You can blame it on Braiins OS until it happens again, but then you won't write it here, which is very typical.

[ruber1]

I know the S17 Series have heatsink issue and was sharing my experience and personal opinion as honestly as I could.
And YES I did have additional heat sink issues down the road when using other firmware.
I was not attempting to overclock either, I was trying to underclock and improve efficiency and I may not have fully understood how to adjust Braiins after initial install to underclock.

I do look forward to trying Braiin on the S19 in the future I hope as I had been a slushpool miner for several years.
I may be wrong in assuming that it was Braiins, but it was odd after over a year of trouble free use before trying, and certainly did involve the poor quality S17's Bitmain produced.

[wndsnb]

The 17 series hashboards only monitor the temperature of 4 chips. So if any of the other chips (44 others on an s17) have a poorly attached heatsink, have copper coating delamination on the chip, or just runs hotter because it is not as efficient, you can run into issues if you run it at higher frequencies.  If any of those chips get up to ~140degC the low temp solder holding the heatsinks on will melt. Same thing could happen with an S17pro on stock firmware that runs fine on normal, and then you crank it up to turbo. That is an issue with the hardware and poor quality control during the manufacturing, not with the firmware.

[Texnoz]

The 17 series hashboards only monitor the temperature of 4 chips. So if any of the other chips (44 others on an s17) have a poorly attached heatsink, have copper coating delamination on the chip, or just runs hotter because it is not as efficient, you can run into issues if you run it at higher frequencies.  If any of those chips get up to ~140degC the low temp solder holding the heatsinks on will melt. Same thing could happen with an S17pro on stock firmware that runs fine on normal, and then you crank it up to turbo. That is an issue with the hardware and poor quality control during the manufacturing, not with the firmware.

Bitmain is too blame here for poor quality materials, I think I've even seen some data which someone had mentioning up to 30% failrate on S17 miners in general.

So for I've mainly had positive results with braiins atleast for S9's, I'm very excited to see any results from braiins FW tests on S19's. I really hope people share results if so.

[taserz]

I tried Braiins 8-10 months ago, and Braiins seems to have fried 2 of my hashboards (1 in each of 2 S17 Pro units) during the initial tune.
Machines had run fine for over a year and a half, and on first run of each machine, killed a board on each.
One I was able to get back for a short term by re-attaching heatsink that shifted (moved but did not fall off)
So they appear to tune from a high power down initially rather than up I assume, resulting in an overheat? This is a guess as I did not research further.
I don't know, just abandoned after it killed two boards.
1 may have been a fluke but 2 is more than that.
Again this was about 8-10 months ago.

Remember the S9 release and the cooked s9's lol

[Artemis3]

you don't see us trying to scare people now do you

Yes we do... You just did, again.

S9 and anything using the molex mini-fit connector (such as T1, etc), that some people say can only take 30 cycles before losing good contact and burning themselves from the increased resistance, happens to anyone using any firmware. But you tried again, and again, and again to imply Braiins was somehow involved. So there you have it, you got caught yet again spreading FUD. What are you so desperate for? Can't you actually deliver from any of your own promises?

Haha, you wish you actually had a proper autotuning, but no amount of "whipping" others can produce it. But thats fine, you are an overclocker, overclocking only needs to ramp up those volts and that's probably the extent of your "code logic". Who needs efficiency? Free electricity no? crank it to 11

[taserz]

you don't see us trying to scare people now do you

Yes we do... You just did, again.

S9 and anything using the molex mini-fit connector (such as T1, etc), that some people say can only take 30 cycles before losing good contact and burning themselves from the increased resistance, happens to anyone using any firmware. But you tried again, and again, and again to imply Braiins was somehow involved. So there you have it, you got caught yet again spreading FUD. What are you so desperate for? Can't you actually deliver from any of your own promises?

Haha, you wish you actually had a proper autotuning, but no amount of "whipping" others can produce it. But thats fine, you are an overclocker, overclocking only needs to ramp up those volts and that's probably the extent of your "code logic". Who needs efficiency? Free electricity no? crank it to 11

You should read some of the old telegram stories from early 2019 my friend when braiins autotuning was first released (well technically late december). But yes I will say those shitting mini-fit suck and not only did they hurt your damn fingers but man oh man did they lose contact. But that was not what I was referencing.

Proper autotuning... You realize your autotune mimics ours from mid 2018? Also no our first firmware was overclocking with autotuning the frequency for the given voltage. I am not sure if you were big into mining back then but that was a pretty big thing back in the day to get the w/th down into the 70s during the bear market. I mean hell we got the T17's to use 20% less power on stock settings and got s17's into the 20s... I wish we had free electricity that would be schweeeet.

Regardless Happy Holidays and let's try not to be nasty as a new years resolution.

Much Love