betfair and excluded countries

[CryptoGamblingSites]

I come from a country excluded for betfair. I am irritated by betfair brokers, it's not the same. There is no worthy alternative for them. Why has no one built something similar, based e.g. on BTC? Isn't it a profitable business? Is it worth it to ban an account from an allowed country? I have doubts, most of it is probably a scam, and after some time it can be blocked anyway.

Have you taken a look at BTC betting exchanges like Fairlay?

Whilst I agree that Betfair is definitely a great service, it's not the only fish in the ocean.

Take a look at both centralized sportsbooks like Nitrogenbet/Sportsbet.io etc. as well as Fairlay - and I'm pretty certain that there is actually a few decentralized betting markets (that don't have much liquidity within them) hosted on blockchain as well.

definitely agree here. who knows the OP might see other betting exchanges as better than betfair? with his country's exclusion from betfair, he has no choice but look for other sites. with several reputable sportsbooks/casinos here other than btc betting exchange like fairlay, he may find out that some of these casinos can actually serve what he's looking for.

Fairlay and OneHash (who knows who owns them now) were the only two we had seen offering anything close.

The problem is liquidity, which was quite low as most people don't own anything other than bitcoin and MOST people would bet with fiat over bitcoin any day because only one has a limited supply

Nitrogen and Stake will offer decent odds betting with bitcoin and Fairlay does still have the "market maker" feature to bet on anything, it's just rare people bet there 

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[davis196]

I come from a country excluded for betfair. I am irritated by betfair brokers, it's not the same. There is no worthy alternative for them. Why has no one built something similar, based e.g. on BTC? Isn't it a profitable business? Is it worth it to ban an account from an allowed country? I have doubts, most of it is probably a scam, and after some time it can be blocked anyway.

If you are from a restricted country,then how have you managed to use betfair?Did you use VPN?
I think that residential proxies are a better option than VPN,because the IPs from a VPN are usually blacklisted by most websites.You could find cheap residential proxies,but I don't remember the exact name of the platform.
Anyway,like other forum members said,at some point you will face KYC,so hiding your IP/location will be pointless.
If you have so many doubts about the betfair alternatives,then why don't you just quit sports betting.
Do you have a gambling addiction or something?

[CryptoGamblingSites]

If you are from a restricted country,then how have you managed to use betfair?Did you use VPN?
I think that residential proxies are a better option than VPN,because the IPs from a VPN are usually blacklisted by most websites.You could find cheap residential proxies,but I don't remember the exact name of the platform.
Anyway,like other forum members said,at some point you will face KYC,so hiding your IP/location will be pointless.
If you have so many doubts about the betfair alternatives,then why don't you just quit sports betting.
Do you have a gambling addiction or something?

Terrible advice (before you rambled about OP quitting gambling?!?) because Betfair is regulated in multiple countries, meaning they CAN NOT allow VPN's

https://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Regulatory.Information/#

The fines are hefty if they don't ensure KYC and location data of players, as well as avoid becoming a money laundering website for users....

[mirq20]

Thank you for your advice and support. I can see that not everyone understands me. I used Betfair from 2010 to 2017 when the government imposed prohibitions. I have no problem gambling at all, just betfair was making me good profit. I have been using Betfair brokers since the ban, which is tiring in the long run. For more information, I am interested in the Betfair exchange as well as GeeksToy or Fairbot software. Of course I've been watching Fairlay etc for a while but haven't used them yet. I fear that my account will be restricted by stakes, there was no such problem at Betfair. I greet you warmly.

[rokuen]

Orbit Exchange is probably what you are looking for. Orbit is available through brokers such as Betinasia.

[EKoston]

i also suggest Orbit Exchange via BetinAsia or bet-footbal
or new solution from Sportmarket called Traderplace. Which is full clone of betfair exchange

crypto alternatives are no solution at the moment in my opinion. Lack of liquidity and user are one problem, and the offer of Games/leagues are a problem at the moment.

Here in forum one solutions seems nice, but has same problems at the moment. maybe in future they will improve (exbet.io)

[sikke]

I come from a country excluded for betfair. I am irritated by betfair brokers, it's not the same. There is no worthy alternative for them. Why has no one built something similar, based e.g. on BTC? Isn't it a profitable business? Is it worth it to ban an account from an allowed country? I have doubts, most of it is probably a scam, and after some time it can be blocked anyway.

Most crypto sportsbooks are probably able to help you?

Fairlay, OneHash are probably the ones that I would go with that would resemble Betfair the most.

You could try to "buy" Betfair accounts but at the same time that comes with a huge risk that I wouldn't be willing to take, given that it's a direct opposition of the Terms and Conditions.

[Rengga Jati]

I come from a country excluded for betfair. I am irritated by betfair brokers, it's not the same. There is no worthy alternative for them. Why has no one built something similar, based e.g. on BTC? Isn't it a profitable business? Is it worth it to ban an account from an allowed country? I have doubts, most of it is probably a scam, and after some time it can be blocked anyway.

Everything has been clearly stated in their Terms and Conditions and you can read the T&C here:
https://www.betfair.com/en/aboutUs/Terms.and.Conditions/

They have clearly said about who can have an account there and will be able to play gambling or betting there.

A gambling site has its own right to do such T&C, moreover related to a country restriction. Commonly it is not based on they don't want to accept you because they don't want, but they only obey such regulations, and if they break the regulation by allowing such suers from restricted countries to join in their platform, they will probably get punsihment. And will they risk themselves to this only for several small suers? No.

[mirq20]

i also suggest Orbit Exchange via BetinAsia or bet-footbal
or new solution from Sportmarket called Traderplace. Which is full clone of betfair exchange

crypto alternatives are no solution at the moment in my opinion. Lack of liquidity and user are one problem, and the offer of Games/leagues are a problem at the moment.

Here in forum one solutions seems nice, but has same problems at the moment. maybe in future they will improve (exbet.io)

I use orbits through betinasia and I think it's for the best. Sportmarket did not want to give me an account to betfair at one time, and I do not see this traderplace with support at all, I have not disposed of it yet. And even Onehash is blocked for me

[BIN-BIN]

At least, he can ask the support system if their site allows using VPN and will not have a problem cash out the win money if he wins. By doing that, he can get the right answer from them to decide whether to use VPN or search for other reputable gambling sites. But move on to the other gambling site that does not require too many things will be better if he does not have any problems in the future. Many gambling sites are out there or from this forum so he does not have to feel difficult to search for the right site.

That ok if the site support gives go-ahead for the use of VPN, my fear is if the site will allow VPN them what is the motive of setting restrictions in place. Why I said so is because of my experience my account got ban for using VPN despite the support clearing me to use it.

[Maestro75]

Can you bypass the restrictions through VPN, pretty sure that you can probably find a workaround to help you with your problem, find solutions first before ranting about stuff, it won't get you anywhere.

But why try to beat the restrictions with a VPN and risk getting caught one day. Why not stay away from site that does not include your country. There must be a reason for such an action and you should avoid them. Look for alternative gambling sites and I know there are several of them with similar games where you can play too. It is best to avoid the stress from the beginning.

[michellee]

At least, he can ask the support system if their site allows using VPN and will not have a problem cash out the win money if he wins. By doing that, he can get the right answer from them to decide whether to use VPN or search for other reputable gambling sites. But move on to the other gambling site that does not require too many things will be better if he does not have any problems in the future. Many gambling sites are out there or from this forum so he does not have to feel difficult to search for the right site.

That ok if the site support gives go-ahead for the use of VPN, my fear is if the site will allow VPN them what is the motive of setting restrictions in place. Why I said so is because of my experience my account got ban for using VPN despite the support clearing me to use it.

What I am worried if when the support sites allow using VPN when we win and want to withdraw the money, they will ask to do KYC, no matter how much they win money. That is a bit scary, you know, that will not be okay if they do that because they do not tell us that we must verify our account to withdraw the money. Hopefully, that is not happening in any gambling site and it is better to explain in the beginning than we should face that problem in the future.

[ukgoldhawk]

I think OP tries to stay with Betfair because Betfair has the largest sport exchange market.
Most of the crypto casinos don't offer exchange services.
One of the reason Betfair and other UK based sportsbooks are not offering crypto deposit/withdraw is because UKGC has a tight regulation on AML.
There have been some casinos tried to do that but actually got sanction in the end, so I don't think Betfair will add crypto anytime soon unless there's a huge change on the circumstance.

Betfair excludes customers by country of residence, not country of citizen.
Which means, if you're a citizen of one of the excluded countries, you're still allowed to use your ID to open an account if you're reside in another country which is not excluded.
So some people will choose to use VPN to bypass the restriction, but you must choose a VPN that's not blacklisted yet.
Betfair has blacklisted most of the mainstream VPNs, even if you're able to open an account, it will be closed very soon.
Betfair has been very difficult to play with since they joined Stars group, they have and is closing lots of accounts and there are lots of complaints against them.

[brassnuts]

Exchanges need liquidity, otherwise it just does not work.

To think that a crypto based sports exchange could get anywhere near enough liquidity to make it viable is ridiculous. For the time being, anyway.

[Kakmakr]

I see a lot of people suggesting that OP should use VPN services to bypass the "region restrictions" ... but that is also not allowed and clearly stated in most online casinos ToS. If the casino find out that OP have been circumventing their region restrictions, with VPNs.....his account will be locked and he will have to forfeit his balance.

Yes, some casinos conveniently look the other way when you use a VPN, but when you win something big and you want to withdraw it, then suddenly the bypassing of the VPN becomes an issue. 

Also, if your country have an issue with online gambling and you win something big.... then you will have to explain it to the tax authorities ...and you might get huge fines or even jail time. 

[tulusikhlas]

Betfair may be a desirable gambling platform to play on for you but if your region is restricted then you should forget about it and move on to reputable gambling sites without restriction, if you use a VPN you will still run into trouble in the long run. It's better to stay away than risking your account and funds by bypassing restrictions with the help of a VPN.

At least, he can ask the support system if their site allows using VPN and will not have a problem cash out the win money if he wins. By doing that, he can get the right answer from them to decide whether to use VPN or search for other reputable gambling sites. But move on to the other gambling site that does not require too many things will be better if he does not have any problems in the future. Many gambling sites are out there or from this forum so he does not have to feel difficult to search for the right site.

I'm currently experiencing the same thing, but with the risk involved, I decided to switch to another site and let a few small dollars sink in there. I initially tried to use a VPN and it wasn't good at all just because for the sake of playing there I broke the rules. I realized that at that time I was just trying to be as effective as playing at Betfair. Now I am more concerned about security in the future and enter a gambling site that allows our country to gamble.

[ukgoldhawk]

I see a lot of people suggesting that OP should use VPN services to bypass the "region restrictions" ... but that is also not allowed and clearly stated in most online casinos ToS. If the casino find out that OP have been circumventing their region restrictions, with VPNs.....his account will be locked and he will have to forfeit his balance.

Yes, some casinos conveniently look the other way when you use a VPN, but when you win something big and you want to withdraw it, then suddenly the bypassing of the VPN becomes an issue. 

Also, if your country have an issue with online gambling and you win something big.... then you will have to explain it to the tax authorities ...and you might get huge fines or even jail time. 

With Betfair, even if they caught you using VPN, most of the time they don't even care unless you're a risk to them.
Even if they decided to close your account, most likely they will just return the balance to you and close the account.
If they close your account and confiscate your balance simply because you're using VPN, they might get into trouble with UKGC.

[nakamura12]

Why not try to use another platform where using vpn is not restricted and you can withdraw your funds without going through KYC or maybe depends on the site. If you continue using the same platform but you will need VPN to gamble and once you win, you can never get your money since where you from is restricted in their platform. Letting you gamble withoit doing something could get them in trouble.

[ukgoldhawk]

Why not try to use another platform where using vpn is not restricted and you can withdraw your funds without going through KYC or maybe depends on the site. If you continue using the same platform but you will need VPN to gamble and once you win, you can never get your money since where you from is restricted in their platform. Letting you gamble withoit doing something could get them in trouble.

He wants to use sport exchange and Betfair has largest exchange platform.
That's why he wants to stick with Betfair.

[Rengga Jati]

He wants to use sport exchange and Betfair has largest exchange platform.
That's why he wants to stick with Betfair.

Exactly, it is not a good idea for we know that the regulation is not only for him and Betfair may not only focus on one player. Moreover, if it relates to Terms and Conditions including the regulations.
I actually feel surprised why he must impose. Yes even though Betfair is a big site but it does not mean it must impose mainly because it is indeed related to T & C.
There are still many choices. If there are some easier sites, why should be on the site that exactly doesn't allow him