[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^^ I think John Riel know what is on stake at this fight so better to start training hard in the Philippines before going to O2 arena and UK.

For the weight issues, he has to work hard to lose that excess pounds. Still months to go, so again, this is doable and hopefully that stomach issue that he had before won't come out again. That is the main problem here as it is viral and come back anytime.

Training hard won't help and is not advisable. He should train-wise.

I think the right term will be not to over train himself.

For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

[Johnyz]

For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

[molsewid]

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

Truly, there are a lot of fans waiting for this fight and if ever this anticipated fight push through I can say that technically we shouldn't have to worry about the health of a fighter because their team will made sure that thier fighter is in a good condition whenever in fight. At the moment, I am also very certain that when Casimero put his attention in to this fight he will surely gonna win this fight. All he have to do is to focus in this fight and be in a full recovery from his recent health issues which leads him to not attend his scheduled weigh-in for a Casimero vs. Butler fight.

[Yaunfitda]

For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

[Russlenat]

For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

Yes, trainer comes with different job description and it usually depends to the needs of his trainee. As for Casimero's case, his trainer should observe more about Casimero's health given that he's just been hospitalized 2 months ago, I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

[Hamphser]

For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

Yes, trainer comes with different job description and it usually depends to the needs of his trainee. As for Casimero's case, his trainer should observe more about Casimero's health given that he's just been hospitalized 2 months ago, I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

One of the factors which is really important to maintain out your body not only on physical shape but also in other things as well like nutrition which would really play out to be important most of the time.

You have that courage and dedication on the sports you are involved on but you arent that putting emphasis on what you do eat or consume then you would really be having problems later on.

We've seen several circumstances or scenarios which do really correlated with this stuff thats why they should really be mindful.

[Questat]

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

[freedomgo]

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

[PX-Z]

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

[Natalim]

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

Rigo was good with timing as well, however, he doesn't have the power to KO Casimero, and in order for him to throw a strong counter punch, he will be at risk of getting open when he do that. If you saw the early rounds, Casimero hurt Rigo but it was not scored as knock down, and after that, Rigo was already playing safe which I think the fans get bored that's why there were some boos in the fight.

[Pamadar]

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

Yes, I see that same figure of him when he's inside the ring,

No need for him to rush and too much aggressiveness. He waits for the best timing attacking his opponent and he, really
got that advantage when he start throwing solid punches.

We will see that if there's a change when this fight takes place, still eyeing for him to win and have that shot to fight
with Inoue..

[freedomgo]

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

[Scripture]

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

Speed is not the strength of Casimero and I agree with the great timing and the right discipline puts Casimero on where he is right now. Training should be more intense to improve the health of Casimero and to prepare himself for the upcoming big fight, Butler is also a good one so better for Casimero not to be complacent that much or else he will lose the belt.

[PX-Z]

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

Mayweather has great defense even if he will not run, I see that kind of guard with the shoulder to strong defensive fighters often times and its very effective against to someone like manny, plus he is a counter puncher.

While manny is too frustrated that most of his punch don't land, fans are frustrated too to what mayweather usually did, well fighting a defensive fighter is boring actually (casimero felt that to rigo) until you get a strong counter punched and land the canvas.

[blockman]

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

[harizen]

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

For sure that was already on the table. After that incident last December that leads to the cancellation of the fight, Casimero's camp should now take action on what to do next to prevent that kind of problem in the near future.

And since Casimero's title is at risk, they will surely do everything not to let that problem happen again for the 2nd time.

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

The comparison doesn't make any sense. We shouldn't involve Pacman's speed or any other boxers along with his league to the speed of Casimero. You guys have to remember that their respective decision does have a wide gap so it's not appropriate to have these comparisons. And seems off-topic to me.

[goinmerry]

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

I also think that Paul Butler is tough since, in the first place, he won't reach being the Top 1 challenger for nothing.

He's also a type of fighter that doesn't have the style of running away from his opponent to play safe.

I'm expecting he will give Casimero a close combat fight as fans will surely want that kind of action once they meet on the ring.

[24Kt]

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

I also think that Paul Butler is tough since, in the first place, he won't reach being the Top 1 challenger for nothing.

He's also a type of fighter that doesn't have the style of running away from his opponent to play safe.

I'm expecting he will give Casimero a close combat fight as fans will surely want that kind of action once they meet on the ring.

This is what we want here, a boxer who will fight toe-to-toe not the likes of Rigo or Mayweather. Sorry for the Mayweather fans here.  But as much as possible, we want a real action inside the ring not the run-away type. I believe, Butler will give hard time to Casimero. And if in any case, Casimero will lose, very interesting if he will behave after.

[TravelMug]

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo. 

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

I also think that Paul Butler is tough since, in the first place, he won't reach being the Top 1 challenger for nothing.

He's also a type of fighter that doesn't have the style of running away from his opponent to play safe.

I'm expecting he will give Casimero a close combat fight as fans will surely want that kind of action once they meet on the ring.

British boxers is known to be very tough, so for sure Butler will give everything for his UK fans as this is his chance to break into this division, winning the belt against the hard hitting Casimero.

So there could be instances in the fight wherein the two will fight in the middle and just banging it out. We don't like Rigo type of boxing, wherein he just play defense and run. We want Casimero and his opponents really duking it out and trying to get the head of their opponent.

[Kemarit]

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Inoue though did respond right? but as we have discussed a few pages back, still up to his promoter Bob Arum. And as we have said, Arum has the history of protecting his fighters specially his cash cow.

But most likely if he win against Butler, it's just a matter of time either Inoue or his fellow Pinoy Donaire will be next. That is the only fight we wanted to see in this division.

Bob is indeed one of the good Promoters "in the eyes of the Fighters" but it is not for some people.
I quite agree to say that Bob protects his Dairy Cows because this is quite true and there have been several times he has done this.
It doesn't matter what I think Inoue should be one of his opponents because it's really not funny if it doesn't happen especially if he does win against Butller

Right, Pacquiao is the best example. But you also have to look at how many fighters went out of their way of Bob Arum, like Oscar Dela Hoya, Floyd Mayweather and of course recently Bud Crawford. Who knows, maybe Inoue will wake up one day and severe his ties so that he can get the fight that he wanted and get more money instead of Arum having a huge cut on the revenues.

Ofcourse, every boxers too have their own needs and wants. So aside from money, they also want to fight whoever they want especially if it's their dream match with whom they want. For sure, time will come that Inoue will wake up and he doesn't need Bob Arum anymore just like you stated above.

By the way, Pacquiao, Oscar and Mayweather are also a promoter now. Except Bud Crawford, correct me if I'm wrong  

But I still tend to believed that fighters are looking for good money. I mean this is a contact sports and if you retire without money, and in the future your health is affected, not sure how you are going to survived. And we've seen a lot of Filipino boxers who bring glory to the country in boxing that end up with no money at all. Hopefully Casimero will not be an statistics for Filipino fighters and save enough for him and his future.

Correct, but Crawford is still active so maybe in the future he could be a boxing promoter too.