[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[aioc]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

[acroman08]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

I wonder if stake and sportsbet will put odds on the fight between Jonas Sultan and Paul butler, I checked their sites and have not seen any odds for the fight. they have a day to put odds on the fight.

I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins

I am not underestimating my fellow countryman but I think butler will win the fight. though I will be glad if Sultan won, at least another Filipino is holding the title.

[bisdak40]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

Sultan vs Butler is a 50-50 fight for me. Butler has the advantage of being on his homecourt but we all know that Jonas Sultan has a big heart and he trained hard for this fight because for their team this is expected.

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero on their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

@Baofeng, can you change the title of this thread bro, I think there is no need to create another one for Sultan vs Butler.

[crzy]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

Sultan vs Butler is a 50-50 fight for me. Butler has the advantage of being on his homecourt but we all know that Jonas Sultan has a big heart and he trained hard for this fight because for their team this is expected.

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero on their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

@Baofeng, can you change the title of this thread bro, I think there is no need to create another one for Sultan vs Butler.

The team prepared Sultan for this kind of scenario, tomorrow is the day of the Match and It will going to push through. Butler should not be affected by the Drama of Casimero and should focus on his match against Sultan, the changes made a lot of confusion and disappointment, for now I will not place a bet as well. Let’s see if Sultan can win this fight, I’m just wondering of which belt they are going to give for the winner of this match.

[Shamm]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

Sultan vs Butler is a 50-50 fight for me. Butler has the advantage of being on his homecourt but we all know that Jonas Sultan has a big heart and he trained hard for this fight because for their team this is expected.

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero in their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

@Baofeng, can you change the title of this thread bro, I think there is no need to create another one for Sultan vs Butler.

Sultan vs Butler fights is interesting to watch cause we all know that In the home court of butler they will fight and also for sure butler was trained hard before this event was announced. But for me, I don't doubt that Sultan will be the winner of this fight because we all know that before sultan, casimero and butler what we expect to watch and sultan beat casimero in their match, that's the reason why I bet for Sultan in this fight.

[coin-investor]

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero on their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

That was five years ago and if Sultan wins the title, Casimero can challenge Sultan for a rematch and it will be sweet revenge if it happens the Casimero Sultan fought is very much different now, he has improved a lot but it seems Casimero cannot keep up with the weight anymore and he will haver to prove up, in the first place this would have happened if only Casimero can keep up maintaining the weight, let's see Casimero's plan he will make an announcement on this.

[Jating]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

Sultan vs Butler is a 50-50 fight for me. Butler has the advantage of being on his homecourt but we all know that Jonas Sultan has a big heart and he trained hard for this fight because for their team this is expected.

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero in their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

@Baofeng, can you change the title of this thread bro, I think there is no need to create another one for Sultan vs Butler.

Sultan vs Butler fights is interesting to watch cause we all know that In the home court of butler they will fight and also for sure butler was trained hard before this event was announced. But for me, I don't doubt that Sultan will be the winner of this fight because we all know that before sultan, casimero and butler what we expect to watch and sultan beat casimero in their match, that's the reason why I bet for Sultan in this fight.

It's more interesting to watch if it is Casimero vs Butler, because majority here wanted to see the brandish but effective style of Casimero.

But Sultan is coming off from the shadows of many famous Pinoys, so we will have to see if he has what it takes to become the next superstar. It will not be an easy fight for him, he will be in a hostile environment and he should knock out Butler if he can.

[Yaunfitda]

For the information of those who did not know, Jonas Sultan defeated Casimero on their fight last 2017, this may boost the confidence of the Filipino pug coming into the fight.

That was five years ago and if Sultan wins the title, Casimero can challenge Sultan for a rematch and it will be sweet revenge if it happens the Casimero Sultan fought is very much different now, he has improved a lot but it seems Casimero cannot keep up with the weight anymore and he will haver to prove up, in the first place this would have happened if only Casimero can keep up maintaining the weight, let's see Casimero's plan he will make an announcement on this.

Yeah, it was a different Casimero then, so Sultan should take advantage of this opportunity and maybe thank Casimero later (that is if he won this fight).

And who knows, we doesn't want a Filipino vs Filipino fight, we almost seen one though before, Donaire vs Casimero, until it was called off and then Casimero and Donaire amend. But Casimero vs Sultan can be potentially made in the future. Not sure if this two are close or what, but they used to be on MP so for sure they have crossed paths recently.

[Saisher]

It's more interesting to watch if it is Casimero vs Butler, because majority here wanted to see the brandish but effective style of Casimero.

But Sultan is coming off from the shadows of many famous Pinoys, so we will have to see if he has what it takes to become the next superstar. It will not be an easy fight for him, he will be in a hostile environment and he should knock out Butler if he can.

Casimero can easily win this match if only the fight push through he is good at fighting in a hostile environment some of his best wins come from hostile territory
I have seen him fight in Argentina and against Tete in England and he is so cool and he is impressive Sultan has a good chance here he has a good timing hitting his opponent like what we've seen in his fight against Caraballo who is undefeated at the time they fought and Sultan knocks him down 4 times.

[agustina2]

It's now official we have a fight we should all do away with Casimero - Butler OP should create a new title or anyone here should create a new thread for this exciting fight, it's unexpected but we'll have a good fight, of course, I'll go for Sultan here and I hope he wins.

We have a fight! Official Weigh-in Results for the Probellum Liverpool Main Event
Paul Butler: 117.8 🇬🇧
Jonas Sultan: 117.6 🇵🇭

With the fight approaching almost just around 24 hours, there's no need for a new thread. We can continue the discussion here.

OP is surely aware of the changes and instead, changing the title will be done.

Regarding the changes, looks like it was already planned but just become a good timing that Casimero was caught using a sauna. Even if no such incident happened, there will be other issues that they can throw at Casimero and that will result in a change in the fight. It's really surprising that Jonas Sultan is already there much ahead of the arrival of Casimero therefore, he already received a prompt about the sudden change.

I hope Casimero will learn a lesson from this. Being too arrogant won't help him. He is aging and might not get a good fight in the future.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Its been a while where people do keep rooting for this upcoming fight but there are lots of issues that been faced and now its been finalized to this one which it did really result into being replaced

vs Butler.There's nothing we could do but to accept their decision since they are the ones who do make out arrangements of fights if ever a certain fighter did really commit some violation or some sort.

Could this affect Casimero popularity or his career? For sure it will but it wont be still too late.

What a big disappointments to Casimero and its team and to the fans rooting to see Casimero inside the ring facing Butler and defending his belts. This should be announced the earlier if the last incident that Casimero didn't attend the weight-in still the main reason or maybe there is still another reason that affects and lead the situation into this. I don't think so this will help Casimero's career but hopefully he still could have the opportunity to have a big fight the sooner after this incidents happen.

He need to make a big chance on his team, how can they let this happen in a championship fight? Either they really don't know what they are doing, or they are doing this for so long and they are caught just right now.

But we all have to move forward, I will still bet on Jonas Sultan if the odds are going to be available at least tomorrow before the actual fight.

[aioc]

He need to make a big chance on his team, how can they let this happen in a championship fight? Either they really don't know what they are doing, or they are doing this for so long and they are caught just right now.

But we all have to move forward, I will still bet on Jonas Sultan if the odds are going to be available at least tomorrow before the actual fight.

Casimero just cannot keep up with the weight or his team is not good at disciplining their fighter to make the weight before the weigh-in, if that is the case, Casimero should take a new team but the organization is good for Casimero, they don't want fighters
to go to the ring heavily drained the decision is not bad it's just disappointed that the original fight will not push through.

[Taskford]

He need to make a big chance on his team, how can they let this happen in a championship fight? Either they really don't know what they are doing, or they are doing this for so long and they are caught just right now.

But we all have to move forward, I will still bet on Jonas Sultan if the odds are going to be available at least tomorrow before the actual fight.

Casimero just cannot keep up with the weight or his team is not good at disciplining their fighter to make the weight before the weigh-in, if that is the case, Casimero should take a new team but the organization is good for Casimero, they don't want fighters
to go to the ring heavily drained the decision is not bad it's just disappointed that the original fight will not push through.

To many conclusion regarding on this discussion but one thing is clear Casimero fail to deliver his self on proper way, Maybe changing his team will be good here knowing this issue is so huge and also maybe he should focus on his self right now to do proper decision next time if he will be given another chance to fight again.

Many people really got dissapointed but for sure Casimero can overcome with this challenges he's facing right now.

[Twinkledoe]

He need to make a big chance on his team, how can they let this happen in a championship fight? Either they really don't know what they are doing, or they are doing this for so long and they are caught just right now.

But we all have to move forward, I will still bet on Jonas Sultan if the odds are going to be available at least tomorrow before the actual fight.

Casimero just cannot keep up with the weight or his team is not good at disciplining their fighter to make the weight before the weigh-in, if that is the case, Casimero should take a new team but the organization is good for Casimero, they don't want fighters
to go to the ring heavily drained the decision is not bad it's just disappointed that the original fight will not push through.

To many conclusion regarding on this discussion but one thing is clear Casimero fail to deliver his self on proper way, Maybe changing his team will be good here knowing this issue is so huge and also maybe he should focus on his self right now to do proper decision next time if he will be given another chance to fight again.

Many people really got dissapointed but for sure Casimero can overcome with this challenges he's facing right now.

Now, all these long discussions about Casimero are just wasted for nothing. Or maybe, he doesn't need to change his team but he needs to change himself first. If he has the discipline on his own, he would look after himself. Inoue is right, he doesn't need to waste time with Casimero.

[carlfebz2]

He need to make a big chance on his team, how can they let this happen in a championship fight? Either they really don't know what they are doing, or they are doing this for so long and they are caught just right now.

But we all have to move forward, I will still bet on Jonas Sultan if the odds are going to be available at least tomorrow before the actual fight.

Casimero just cannot keep up with the weight or his team is not good at disciplining their fighter to make the weight before the weigh-in, if that is the case, Casimero should take a new team but the organization is good for Casimero, they don't want fighters
to go to the ring heavily drained the decision is not bad it's just disappointed that the original fight will not push through.

To many conclusion regarding on this discussion but one thing is clear Casimero fail to deliver his self on proper way, Maybe changing his team will be good here knowing this issue is so huge and also maybe he should focus on his self right now to do proper decision next time if he will be given another chance to fight again.

Many people really got dissapointed but for sure Casimero can overcome with this challenges he's facing right now.

Now, all these long discussions about Casimero are just wasted for nothing. Or maybe, he doesn't need to change his team but he needs to change himself first. If he has the discipline on his own, he would look after himself. Inoue is right, he doesn't need to waste time with Casimero.

Both could be blamed which is Casimero itself and also with the team.They wont really be facing up some problem if they are really that disciplined and serious on complying and following up rules.

All of these discussions are indeed come to waste because the fight wont happen. First, there was postpone due to injury and now we have this?
I wont be surprised if peoples trust and interest had declined towards Casimero because of this one.

[harizen]

I've read a good exchange of conversation about this in a Facebook comment.

They have mentioned that WBO doesn't have any rules about that sauna thing but that terms violate the England Boxing Commission rules or British Boxing Council. It was the same as how Nevada Boxing Committee imposed some rules too. Casimero violates the boxing governing body in England, the venue of the fight, that's why WBO needs to take action.

I'm not sure how legit it was but seems they have knowledge about the ruling of a governing body of a certain country.

[Kemarit]

I've read a good exchange of conversation about this in a Facebook comment.

They have mentioned that WBO doesn't have any rules about that sauna thing but that terms violate the England Boxing Commission rules or British Boxing Council. It was the same as how Nevada Boxing Committee imposed some rules too. Casimero violates the boxing governing body in England, the venue of the fight, that's why WBO needs to take action.

I'm not sure how legit it was but seems they have knowledge about the ruling of a governing body of a certain country.

So it boils down to some technicalities? but it seems that there is a decision already by the England Boxing Commission and that Casimero will not be able to fight on their home soil.

And it's probably another lost in translation maybe in Casimero camp here. And the decision whether he will be strip of the title is up to the governing body. Hopefully they will make a fair decision on this one.

[coin-investor]

Could this affect Casimero popularity or his career? For sure it will but it wont be still too late.

No, I don't believe he will lose his career or his popularity he did not lose the title by knockout or anything of that sort he lose the title by default or by not making the weight according to the guidelines, he should be honest with himself and admit if he cannot keep up with the 117 limits, he can always go up and challenge champions in the higher division, it will be good for him he can fight with his natural weight than struggling in the 117.

[Finestream]

Its been a while where people do keep rooting for this upcoming fight but there are lots of issues that been faced and now its been finalized to this one which it did really result into being replaced

vs Butler.There's nothing we could do but to accept their decision since they are the ones who do make out arrangements of fights if ever a certain fighter did really commit some violation or some sort.

Could this affect Casimero popularity or his career? For sure it will but it wont be still too late.

What a big disappointments to Casimero and its team and to the fans rooting to see Casimero inside the ring facing Butler and defending his belts. This should be announced the earlier if the last incident that Casimero didn't attend the weight-in still the main reason or maybe there is still another reason that affects and lead the situation into this. I don't think so this will help Casimero's career but hopefully he still could have the opportunity to have a big fight the sooner after this incidents happen.

Casimero has been facing problems every time he has upcoming fights and now, its finally decided by the WBO to replace him with Sultan, which is another pride of the Filipinos. For sure, the team is experiencing big disappointments this time especially that they have been preparing for this fight. But sad to say, Casimero did not make it. I hope he'll be able to recover soonest and prepare himself to get big fights in the future.

[Vaculin]

Unfortunate news for Casimero fans, he's now out of the match and a huge chances that he also lost his belt for violating the rules of BBBOFC.

Read the article here: https://www.ringtv.com/638052-john-riel-casimero-vs-paul-butler-off-due-to-casimeros-violation-of-bbbofc-medical-policy/

Don't know if Casimero's camp doesn't know about this or they are desperate to lose more weights that's why they go to this option and what more dumber thing they do is they release a video about what they do.

Now they are preparing Sultan to fight against Butler and this is a huge shame on Casimero.

This is really unfortunate we have waited this long for the fight not to push through because of Casimero's camp action, I guess Casimero cannot keep up anymore and he's really having a hard time cutting the weight, but that's a bad decision trying to cut weight using sauna when the fight is very near which is a violation on the guidelines, it seems they are badly advised resorting to this method, now Sultan has a good chance to win Casimero's title.

Casimero should provide valid reasons for his action, otherwise his world title will be stripped of from him. This will certainly bring Casimero's career down so i don't know how he will cope up from this. I guess his camp is already aware that what they did is already a violation, and now they come to pay for it. Losing a title if ever is a worst thing to happen for a world bantamweight king so i just hope this will not happen in his case.