[Badminton] Discussion Thread 2022

[panjul07]

The only chance of Indonesia to win a cup is in Thomas Cup (but still not favorite IMO), while Uber Cup is pretty much in China's hand. Yes, not much change in Thomas Cup, almost always the same countries. But, in Uber Cup we see India and Thailand breaking the barrier in the last 10 years. Anyway, too much internal problems for Indonesia to reclaim its superiority in badminton. So, I advise you guys not to get too disappointed if they don't perform well.

Looking at how the Indonesian Thomas team so far, I would not expect too much.
Aside from the internal problems, player's consistency is also another problem.
Our players can show great performance in a match but they show very bad performance in the next mactch or vice versa.
We will not be disappointed as long as we do not have too high expectation, we should appreciate them whatever the result as I believe most players will always try their best for their country.

[1715032975]

1715032975

[1715032975]

1715032975

[1715032975]

1715032975

[1715032975]

1715032975

[1715032975]

1715032975

[1715032975]

1715032975

[izsara]

The only chance of Indonesia to win a cup is in Thomas Cup (but still not favorite IMO), while Uber Cup is pretty much in China's hand. Yes, not much change in Thomas Cup, almost always the same countries. But, in Uber Cup we see India and Thailand breaking the barrier in the last 10 years. Anyway, too much internal problems for Indonesia to reclaim its superiority in badminton. So, I advise you guys not to get too disappointed if they don't perform well.

Looking at how the Indonesian Thomas team so far, I would not expect too much.
Aside from the internal problems, player's consistency is also another problem.
Our players can show great performance in a match but they show very bad performance in the next mactch or vice versa.
We will not be disappointed as long as we do not have too high expectation, we should appreciate them whatever the result as I believe most players will always try their best for their country.

Even when I saw the line-up for the match against Japan a few days ago, I thought about whether they deliberately wanted to lose the match.
Uber athletes who competed against Japan yesterday in fact they are new players and indeed in terms of ranking they lost far from Japan.
and the result was in line with expectations, they lost by a landslide.
I don't know what happened to Indonesia in this year's championship but for sure it's true what you said, don't have high expectations this season

[Strongkored]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

[watergold]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

[panjul07]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

The regeneration process for the Women Single in Indonesia is not working well.
There is no Indonesian single women who have great skills and stamina as what is used to be shown by one of Indonesian Single Women Legend "Susi Susanti".
I believe there are so many talented players in Indonesia but I have no idea why the Indonesian Badminton federation (PBSI) is not able to find and train the young talented players.

[Silver80]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

The regeneration process for the Women Single in Indonesia is not working well.
There is no Indonesian single women who have great skills and stamina as what is used to be shown by one of Indonesian Single Women Legend "Susi Susanti".
I believe there are so many talented players in Indonesia but I have no idea why the Indonesian Badminton federation (PBSI) is not able to find and train the young talented players.

Yea, if it's women's singles, no one has matched the legend of "Susi Susanti" but Indonesia has other heroes that have existed even though they don't match "Susi Susanti", such as Mia Audina, Maria Kristin Yulianti, Fitriani and Gregoria Mariska Tunjung.  the legend himself did not immediately become great at first, even Indonesia did not become a favorite in badminton before Susi Susanti won it.

[Strongkored]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?

I couldn't watch this match and only see the final score, to be honest I was quite disappointed with the result even though I realized that Uber Indonesia was the underdogs team but the defeat still hurts.

As Panjul07 has said, the regeneration in the women's single is not going well and strangely it has been running even decades after Susi Susanti retired, there is still no change in regeneration.

because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

Actually, it's not only stamina and strategy but also mentality, if look at last single match in second set Ester seems to have lost motivation, her mentality not strong enough to bear the pressure because of the defeat in the first set and become the last hope for Indonesia to win.

[ipanks]

The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?

I couldn't watch this match and only see the final score, to be honest I was quite disappointed with the result even though I realized that Uber Indonesia was the underdogs team but the defeat still hurts.

As Panjul07 has said, the regeneration in the women's single is not going well and strangely it has been running even decades after Susi Susanti retired, there is still no change in regeneration.

Indeed. Maybe that is because it is hard to reach the requirement from the Indonesian Badminton Federation (PBSI) so the regeneration is not working good for the women's badminton team. It needs more to find another "Susi Susanti" or "Alan Budikusuma" or even "Icuk Sugiharto." Still, I believe that they will find some young talent who can bring glory to Indonesia.

because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

Actually, it's not only stamina and strategy but also mentality, if look at last single match in second set Ester seems to have lost motivation, her mentality not strong enough to bear the pressure because of the defeat in the first set and become the last hope for Indonesia to win.

In badminton, mental takes a big part to control the field and forcing the opponent and if they do not have control over their emotion, they can lose before they fight.

[watergold]

It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

The regeneration process for the Women Single in Indonesia is not working well.
There is no Indonesian single women who have great skills and stamina as what is used to be shown by one of Indonesian Single Women Legend "Susi Susanti".
I believe there are so many talented players in Indonesia but I have no idea why the Indonesian Badminton federation (PBSI) is not able to find and train the young talented players.

When talking about regeneration, I think Indonesia has a lot of potential gems in each region whose existence has not been revealed, because Indonesia is indeed very broad and it is true that here PBSI should be able to carry out the selection properly because Indonesia actually benefits from a country that is arguably very vast and impossible, from the vastness of this country there is no gem that will be able to shine in the place of the legends of yesteryear.

Actually, it's not only stamina and strategy but also mentality, if look at last single match in second set Ester seems to have lost motivation, her mentality not strong enough to bear the pressure because of the defeat in the first set and become the last hope for Indonesia to win.

This is still a problem that haunts Indonesian athletes from a few years ago.
I don't know if there is something wrong with the training system or if they are too relaxed because they look at past history for sure that athletes in Indonesia have always lost in the things you mentioned.

[Rengga Jati]

-snip-

When talking about Uber Indonesia, yeah, unfortunately, the women team of Indonesia doesn't have very great generation.
So far, women double GreyAp is the most that we can only believe to have good performance. But for the single, well, we know how they are.

But for the man team, in this Thomas cup, they have really done a very great job, until finally they could beat Denmark and will face China as the defending champion.
I personally certainly look forward to this final match and hope that Thomas Indonesia players can play optimally and well. Because after all, China is not a weak opponent. This team consists of various world top players, especially they have defeated the Japan team and certainly raises their enthusiasm and confidence.

[blue Snow]

We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

[Fakhrulenclix]

We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

Uber China team is still very strong at the moment but not with Team Thomas China, I think Indonesia has a very big chance to win it, judging from the players and ranking BWF Indonesia is far superior in both singles and doubles.
Currently China's regeneration is still not very good after being left by several senior players such as Lin and Cheng Long, there are no other Chinese players who appear with the same strength. Except for Shi Yuqi, he can't be consistent because of the injury he suffered.
I saw that during the match against Japan Shi yuqi was injured and if he couldn't play in the final it would be a very big advantage for the Thomas Indonesia team.
Team Thomas Indonesia had doubts at the beginning of this tournament but now they have proven it by successfully entering the final round.
I think they will win it. hopefully so.

[Bitinity]

We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:

• Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
• Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
• Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
• Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
• Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.

[Silver80]

We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:

• Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
• Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
• Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
• Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
• Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.

after seeing the picture above, Indonesia's long struggle is the value of a fantastic victory, this is an interesting achievement, Indonesia is still winning badminton

[tazmantasik]

Indonesia managed to advance to the final round in the Thomas cup sector and is currently 2-0 up against China, in the first match Antoni Ginting won against Lu Guanzu with a score of 18-21, 21-14 and 21-16 in 1 hour 16 minutes. In the second match of the men's doubles, Indonesia was also able to win, the third match Jojo won in the first set and the match was quite exciting in the second set, if Jojo was able to win then Indonesia would certainly come out as champion.

[watergold]

Indonesia managed to advance to the final round in the Thomas cup sector and is currently 2-0 up against China, in the first match Antoni Ginting won against Lu Guanzu with a score of 18-21, 21-14 and 21-16 in 1 hour 16 minutes. In the second match of the men's doubles, Indonesia was also able to win, the third match Jojo won in the first set and the match was quite exciting in the second set, if Jojo was able to win then Indonesia would certainly come out as champion.

The match between Anthony Ginting and Lu Guangzu really caught my attention because it was quite an exciting match and indeed both athletes put all their strength into it. but indeed Ginting is the strongest and wins.
I want to pay my respects to Lu Guanzu even if he loses. because indeed Lu Guanzu played quite well, especially in the first match, even though in terms of quality and head to head he always lost to ginting and he is currently the 2nd seed from china but his game was very good and even managed to withstand ginting with the ruber set before losing.

[Roman_Picisan]

We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:

• Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
• Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
• Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
• Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
• Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.

after seeing the picture above, Indonesia's long struggle is the value of a fantastic victory, this is an interesting achievement, Indonesia is still winning badminton

19 years of waiting, finally Indonesia can win the Thomas Cup cup again after beating China 3-0, This is the 14th time and this is the most, followed by China 10, salute to Indonesia for the king of Thomas cup.

[Strongkored]

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China.

Yes, the mentality of the Chinese players was above average, when China's second single faced J. Christie.
I think Christie will be able to win straight sets, but the second set China players was able to play well, the third set was also tight but Christie manage to win and make the Indonesian team win the Thomas Cup.
Congratulations to the Indonesia team, this is a great achievement.

[Vaskiy]

China always have an upper hand when it comes to Badminton. This time the long wait have come to Indonesia. On the other side on Uber Cup China has won against Japan to reclaim the title. Interestingly it is the 15th title win out of 19 finals. In China importance given for sports activities begin from the very small age of a Child which is also a reason why they stand high on majority of the games.

[blue Snow]

yes, We have the winner:

China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021

Congrats for both.

Have been a long time (19 years ago), now the 2020 Thomas cup just landed in Indonesia. This is the 14th Thomas and was created as a country that has the biggest collected cup.



China is still strong for women, After defeat Japan, they got the 15th Uber cup and were created as a country that has the biggest collected Uber cup.




there is still have event on october 2021 like: Denmark and French Open.

As we can see in round 1 Denmark open for man single: https://bwfworldtour.bwfbadminton.com/tournament/3971/victor-denmark-open-2021/results/draw/ms

there is 5 kind of match: men's and women's single, men's and women's doubles and Mixed Doubles