What do you think about this?

[Oneandpure]

While reading at this thread Why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one?. Something came to my head and here it is:

We in this forum have seen so many gambling sites launched and many of us have tried those sites. Sometimes, the new gambling site provides a giveaway for new members to test to find out that the site is worth continuing to use and can be a good site for us.

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

Ever face that problem I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

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[dustboy]

Ever face that problem I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

Why did not you post your concern in their thread? Sorry to say but I do not believe they ban your account without any reason. Prove your claim, don't try to make a framing that stake do something bad with your account without any proof.

[mu_enrico]

I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

AFAIK Stake allows alt accounts.
https://forum.stake.com/topic/41629-are-multiaccounts-allowed/

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

It depends on the casino. (1) Some allow multi-accounts since there's no incentive to abuse with multiple accounts, whereas (2) some have tailored promotions/rewards that can be abused with multiple accounts. So the ban on multi-accounts cheater for casino (2) is understandable. However, from the ethical POV, they are unethical if they ban the user at the withdrawal stage. They should not accept the deposit or ban the user and return the deposit money.

[Oshosondy]

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

The reason why gambling companies only make it in their terms and conditions for users to make use of only one account is because of money laundering policies, some users can try to make use of two or three or more accounts for money laundering purposes. But to be fear enough. I do not see anything wrong about this at all.

But I only noticed this much in fiat based gambling while if proven it is the same account, the accounts can be merged into one if nothing like criminal activities is involved in any of the accounts.

[madnessteat]

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

The reason why gambling companies only make it in their terms and conditions for users to make use of only one account is because of money laundering policies, some users can try to make use of two or three or more accounts for money laundering purposes. But to be fear enough. I do not see anything wrong about this at all.

But I only noticed this much in fiat based gambling while if proven it is the same account, the accounts can be merged into one if nothing like criminal activities is involved in any of the accounts.

Many gambling sites offer their users various bonuses at registration, so if one person creates several accounts at such a site, he abuses the advertising campaign carried out to attract new users. Obviously, this is a deception of a gambling site in order to increase the chances of winning without attracting new users. Therefore, I would advise against abusing promotions on gambling sites as there is a high probability of detecting abuse and banning your accounts.

[qwertyup23]

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

The reason why gambling companies only make it in their terms and conditions for users to make use of only one account is because of money laundering policies, some users can try to make use of two or three or more accounts for money laundering purposes. But to be fear enough. I do not see anything wrong about this at all.

But I only noticed this much in fiat based gambling while if proven it is the same account, the accounts can be merged into one if nothing like criminal activities is involved in any of the accounts.

Usually, gambling websites prohibitively suspends an account which is suspected to have been taking advantage of giveaways and other freebies provided. They are, however, allowed to do this since most gambling websites post their TOS with regards to this kind of problem.

With online gambling becoming more and more popular due to an online setting, many people are taking advantage of such by sending huge amounts of cash for money laundering. While such criminal activity cannot be absolutely prevented, measures are being taken to at least mitigate the damage done.

[Pmalek]

Sometimes a casino is also partly to blame. Most often casino sites can detect multi-accounts and other violations. But the problem is that they don't flag it. They don't even warn the gambler that creating a second account is a violation of their terms and conditions.

Most casinos hide behind their Terms of Service. They know that players don't read them, but they really should. It's your responsibility to know what's written in the TOS, especially the parts about multi-accounting, VPN usage, restricted territories, and even the restrictions that certain game providers place for particular locations.   

But majority of the casinos couldn't care less about these violations. They would only act on it when a jackpot or a big win happens. That's the time they would inform the player that he does not qualify for the prize because of the violations.

If you win, that's when they will do a proper security audit of your account. While you are depositing money and losing, very few casinos will have a problem with that.

[Oshosondy]

Many gambling sites offer their users various bonuses at registration, so if one person creates several accounts at such a site, he abuses the advertising campaign carried out to attract new users. Obviously, this is a deception of a gambling site in order to increase the chances of winning without attracting new users. Therefore, I would advise against abusing promotions on gambling sites as there is a high probability of detecting abuse and banning your accounts.

I have never thought of this before until you posted about it now, all I was thinking before is that multiple gambling users accounts is to discourage money laundering but you are not wrong at all that many people will make use of welcome bonus opportunity to have more accounts so that they can have more means to earn the bonuses, humans are very greedy but I have never thought of this before to cheat, now I have only one account on each site when I know that is always included in their terms and conditions, even if not included, I still only got only one account which is more than enough for me.

Sometimes a casino is also partly to blame. Most often casino sites can detect multi-accounts and other violations. But the problem is that they don't flag it. They don't even warn the gambler that creating a second account is a violation of their terms and conditions.

Most casinos hide behind their Terms of Service. They know that players don't read them, but they really should. It's your responsibility to know what's written in the TOS, especially the parts about multi-accounting, VPN usage, restricted territories, and even the restrictions that certain game providers place for particular locations.   

But majority of the casinos couldn't care less about these violations. They would only act on it when a jackpot or a big win happens. That's the time they would inform the player that he does not qualify for the prize because of the violations.

If you win, that's when they will do a proper security audit of your account. While you are depositing money and losing, very few casinos will have a problem with that.

I have four accounts in the first fiat based gambling site Ilthat I registered back in 2014, I later opened the fourth one which is my main account up till this day, I have no motive of money laundering or cheating bonuses, it is not what I have even done before while not really considering bonuses. I did not read the terms and conditions until like 2 years that I opened the account when I was not busy at all one day and having a boring time which makes it came to my mind to read, all other accounts are now in everlasting disuse whole only one main account I have now per each gambling site. Terms and conditions are too long for many people to read, but it is the most important thing for beginners to read for not to fall into centralized site traps.

[Saint-loup]

You already mentioned the problem, it is already written to the rules and regulations of the casino platform that there is no allowed of having multiple accounts on a single device but still you have done it, so expect that it is already a form of cheating because you have violated the rules of the casino which will make you ban. If you want to take advantage of those free money for every new user then you may do it in another account, they can only detect the IP address.

No you are wrong Alucard1, they can also detect the user-agent of your browser, your fingerprint and the cookies they have sent.  

these days, a site can track their users not only via IP address but other means just like what you said fingerprinting. this article - 5 Ways To Identify Your Users Without Using Cookies , will give you an idea how these sites can identify their users even without using cookies. players are not the only smart here, even site owners have their own ways how to detect possible abuse of their users. so don't get too confident that you can surpass the site's ToS.

Interesting article, thank you for posting it but I don't think the fourth means mentioned is really efficient and widely used by casinos. It's really hard to track and to detect specific behaviours from a random user IMO.

The casino however wouldn't check users whether they cheat or not after registering. The casino will only check the user when they are about to withdraw the big amount of money from them which the casino plays their part to which they contributed as to why the cheating player continues to cheat.

For the caught cheater, I guess not being able to withdraw the big amount can just be considered a penalty for trying to cheat. Not the ending they expect.

Where have you seen that please? What is your source? I don't understand how casinos could be able to check if someone has already cheated or not when a user withdraws his funds. I think scammy gambling platforms don't say anything when they spot a cheat until the user try to withdraw his funds, but they must detect it before.

[Ryker1]

Ever face that problem I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

Why did not you post your concern in their thread? Sorry to say but I do not believe they ban your account without any reason. Prove your claim, don't try to make a framing that stake do something bad with your account without any proof.

Well sometimes having zero knowledge about the term of use will result in acting being innocent that assuming you are not violating the TOS.
When your account gets banned, you perhaps break the rule without knowing you, this is very common when a gambler did not read the TOS or they are lazy enough not to read it. How many times we saw allegations on the scam accusation board, but in the end, they are just missed the TOS because not reading this and they are violating it.

[MrcMrc]

Most of the gambling site does not allow the use of multi-account and that is why KYC is mandatory on some gambling sites, the fact is many site cheaters make use of VPN which make it hard for those none KYC gambling sites to track their activities In a different account. Some do this just to claim bonuses which is wrong.

[nurilham]

this is a matter of regulation itself and I think every gambling site has its own rules and that needs to be read so as not to experience misunderstandings. if indeed someone has something suspicious, of course the operator himself will know it, so be honest and obey the existing gambling rules. before that choose a gambling site that is really good or transparent so that if you make a mistake it will be discussed transparently, I think it will be more helpful so that we can know the existing rules and things to avoid.

[Fatunad]

Ever face that problem I got my account banned without any reason and can't help any more to get back my account, I don't care about their reason with multi account and I faced with stake site where lost my fund about 2000 doge coin. Without any reason suddenly my account banned and I can't use any more and try to contact team but not resolve until right now.

Why did not you post your concern in their thread? Sorry to say but I do not believe they ban your account without any reason. Prove your claim, don't try to make a framing that stake do something bad with your account without any proof.

Well sometimes having zero knowledge about the term of use will result in acting being innocent that assuming you are not violating the TOS.
When your account gets banned, you perhaps break the rule without knowing you, this is very common when a gambler did not read the TOS or they are lazy enough not to read it. How many times we saw allegations on the scam accusation board, but in the end, they are just missed the TOS because not reading this and they are violating it.

Most likely the case thats why its really important that we should have at least the time on reading up ToS even though it is way too long to read up but atleast you do really save up yourself
on having some problems in the future which means it would really be that helpful but i cant really blame out people on why they dont like to read up that very long pile of text.Most of the
time people would have same impressions that its just a waste of time and as a gambler then you are really that eager or really that too impatient for you to play
which this is really the main reason on why we do really missed it out.

[TheEconomists]

In opinion gambling sites will not allowed people to open several account because they will use their first account reference cade to make money and that is cheating the gambling sites. Most of the gambling sites will pay you if you use you refer new customers to their site and if you the one other alt account that will be cheating and is illegal.

[Yamifoud]

In opinion gambling sites will not allowed people to open several account because they will use their first account reference cade to make money and that is cheating the gambling sites. Most of the gambling sites will pay you if you use you refer new customers to their site and if you the one other alt account that will be cheating and is illegal.

Cheating is very common in gambling, many creating numbers of accounts for that sake(a small penny), and if they got caught, they will then claim that they are not doing this. They can be traced through their IP address that is why they easily found who were cheating and they don't have the right to argue as in the first place they know it already upon reading their rules. It was just most gamblers don't read it or they are just lazy to do it prior to cheating.

[adzino]

While reading at this thread Why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one?. Something came to my head and here it is:

We in this forum have seen so many gambling sites launched and many of us have tried those sites. Sometimes, the new gambling site provides a giveaway for new members to test to find out that the site is worth continuing to use and can be a good site for us.

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

They will never tell you how they found out that you were cheating. If they did, those cheaters would find a way (and make it easier) to "cover" themselves even better. If you read their terms and condition, you will know that they have the right to confiscate all your funds if you are found cheating. You have agreed to it. Now you can't argue with them anymore. You might even say that "no I wasn't cheating, that account doesn't belong to me" or whatever. Trust me, if it is a casino with a good reputation, they will never ban you without a solid proof!

[Xinarae*]

Gambling sites do not allow multiple accounts because they scam through multiple accounts manages money illegally. The website operates on the basis of a maltese gambling license issued by the malta gambling authority this means that all important security actions are regulated by an external body that licenses gambling activities around the world. issues there are many other international gambling organizations that have expressed positive views about the security and confidence of unibit it is easy to cheat with kyc.

[Chato1977]

If that's the same concern for that thread, you should just continue the discussion there. It's on the part of the casino and if they're reputable enough, they'll tell you why you're not eligible for it.
Still it ends up to the user being told as a cheater because of violating the rules about multi accounts.

and also even if you are not cheating yet if the casino is scammer you cannot hide everything.

there are so many cases in this forum specially those very controversial now like 1xbit in which most of the claims are the site banning or taking funds if you wins .

[Ucy]

If you truely want this to be handled in moral or ethical way then you should first of all consider that the word gambling means taking big risk. You shouldn't be using site that encourage you to gamble or take big betting risk.
Assuming you mean Betting/Prediction site, my simple advice to you on how to safely use betting sites is to never assume you will win a bet if you are not qualified or well prepared to win... Just consider your bet luck-based. If you want to feel better, consider your lost bets as donations or gifts to the community/peers. You will likely be rewarded for that in one way or another (if you believe).

Bet but don't gamble.