What do you think about this?

[jcojci]

While reading at this thread Why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one?. Something came to my head and here it is:

We in this forum have seen so many gambling sites launched and many of us have tried those sites. Sometimes, the new gambling site provides a giveaway for new members to test to find out that the site is worth continuing to use and can be a good site for us.

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

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[ralle14]

That situation is more on the ethical part since there's a reason why most platforms never disclose the issue on why users get banned and at the same time some sites even encourage their players to use VPN when it's against their own rules and it could put their players at risk if KYC becomes a requirement. Then again some sites do mention the reason or at least provide some proofs on how accounts get flagged with multi accounting, I remember back then fortunejack received a complaint in their thread and they provided some deposit address that was related between the two.

[tabas]

If that's the same concern for that thread, you should just continue the discussion there. It's on the part of the casino and if they're reputable enough, they'll tell you why you're not eligible for it.
Still it ends up to the user being told as a cheater because of violating the rules about multi accounts.

[Wexnident]

It's just knowing the rules, that's it. If you yourself knowing that you did something that made them accuse you of not following their T&C, then that's that, morale or ethics doesn't really say anything here since it's just damn common sense. Now if you ask them why you got yourself banned, and you yourself clearly have no idea, then if they answer, all is fine, if they don't, well now there's where the problem would start. It's ethical since they need to answer if asked however, it isn't really needed for them to actually tell them what T&C you actually violated, that is imo only ofc.

[Jating]

That situation is more on the ethical part since there's a reason why most platforms never disclose the issue on why users get banned and at the same time some sites even encourage their players to use VPN when it's against their own rules and it could put their players at risk if KYC becomes a requirement. Then again some sites do mention the reason or at least provide some proofs on how accounts get flagged with multi accounting, I remember back then fortunejack received a complaint in their thread and they provided some deposit address that was related between the two.

Yeah, that's the real issues on some crypto platforms, they never disclose the reason for banning an account, they will only said that they have some kind of evidence that the user is cheating. But the user will tell us otherwise, so it's like a "he said she said". There are some kind of arbitration though.

Anyhow, I guess it's case to case basis, whether it's ethical or morale, still the benefit of the doubt is still on the gamblers who have been accused of cheating.

[Gozie51]

I think when you try to by pass the site or inputting or using same data identification like email etc that is violation of the rules on double registration. Usually you get warning in such occasions because it looks impossible to use two identical information, the website will recognise it. I think is a conscience thing not to violate the rules there.

[electronicash]

That situation is more on the ethical part since there's a reason why most platforms never disclose the issue on why users get banned and at the same time some sites even encourage their players to use VPN when it's against their own rules and it could put their players at risk if KYC becomes a requirement. Then again some sites do mention the reason or at least provide some proofs on how accounts get flagged with multi accounting, I remember back then fortunejack received a complaint in their thread and they provided some deposit address that was related between the two.

Yeah, that's the real issues on some crypto platforms, they never disclose the reason for banning an account, they will only said that they have some kind of evidence that the user is cheating. But the user will tell us otherwise, so it's like a "he said she said". There are some kind of arbitration though.

Anyhow, I guess it's case to case basis, whether it's ethical or morale, still the benefit of the doubt is still on the gamblers who have been accused of cheating.

the cheater will still cheat himself thinking he didn't do anything wrong. even if the casino doesn't list that as a violation, he knows to himself that he did something wrong. registering another user under your another account's ref link is not wrong in the eyes of the system but you know it's a cheat.

the casino wouldn't reveal the violation i guess because it still encourages gamblers to register. shady as they are to market their platform.

[robelneo]

You are cheating intentionally by referring yourself and, gambling operators know very well that there are users that will try to cheat their system and they have parameters implemented that will catch cheaters, if you are good at cheating, gambling operators can catch you because in the back end of the interface they know not only the IP but every little information about your location and system and some of them are using a bot to track similarities of their players.
So it's useless to think that you can cheat them using the same IP, if you have an intention to cheat you have a bad ethics.

[skarais]

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What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

You should read a lot about the terms and conditions of the site you are going to play on before signing up. Generally sites don't allow users to have more account because it can be considered fraudulent, but in some case having multiple account for non-infringing purposes may be allowed. You just have to say something to the site admins before they ban you and block your account and freeze your money. You should probably know that site can block you without telling you why if you agree to the terms and conditions but you violate them.

OP, are you having problems about registering multiple account on the same site for the purpose of earning from your referrals or want to generate bonuses from them? I would also like to hear your opinion on what gamblers should do.

[qwertyup23]

I think what most people have neglect are the rules stated per gambling site. They carelessly create an account, try to circumvent the giveaways, and complain afterwards in the event that they get banned. Same as the rules in the forum, if you committed anything that is prohibited, then you will suffer the consequences of your actions.

But if if you really want to avoid any encumbrances or "shady" practices that you seem to argue, then play on reputable gambling websites. They will, most likely, provide the reason behind your infractions for full transparency.

[Cling18]

If you aren't violating the rules stated in their TOS, I think there's nothing to worry about. We all know that casino sites especially those who are just starting are just protecting their site from abuse so more users would benefit from their promos. We as players should also know our limits so we'll never get banned. We should always be transparent and try to get rid of unnecessary actions.

[mindrust]

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

Why would anybody need multiple accounts anyway? If the ToS says "don't do it", then don't do it. I am not saying that ToS always make sense but in this case, I see no harm following the ToS. Having multiple accounts will only raise suspicion on you because mostly cheaters use multiple accounts and if you not a cheater, don't use multiple accounts.

[ethereumhunter]

A gambler who does not intend to make money from gambling will not try to create multiple accounts instead have one account and play gambling occasionally and do not even think to abuse the rule from the casino. But that could happen to a gambler who wants to make more money from the game to create another account to play. We do not know their reason for doing that, but I think they should not feel sad if, somehow, the casino knows that they are cheating and close the account because that is their own mistake.

[Slow death]

I think that when people know they are cheating and have already been discovered by the casino, then those people who have been found cheating must be people with the courage to admit their mistakes publicly, for ethical reasons. it is not good to be lying to appear innocent in front of the public when the person is guilty. There was a case on this forum where the cheater told a touching story that even I was moved and I even thought he was innocent and the casino was guilty, for days later the person was exposed with evidence that he was guilty, I was left feeling like a idiot, it was a very sad feeling i felt. that's why I advise anyone to admit their mistakes. don't lie

[Sterbens]

When there is no comprehensive reason for what makes you say it is an act of cheating, it is clear we cannot say only from one side. However, there is no problem except for the root that causes the problem in your gambling to fall into the category of cheating. While you yourself avoid these things, which in general, try to pay attention to the rules at the casino, maybe if it has rules that you don't realize, it's clear that whatever the reason, it's very difficult to solve. Casinos don't want to lose and you don't want to lose the money you've bet.

[fiulpro]

I do understand what you mean, there have been instances where players had the same probelms with the sites and at the end of the day, nothing was done. If you are always using the same email address ( if needed ) then you might be safe with those things, but some sites generally delete the account, if it's been inactive for a while and at the same time if you have not deposited anything in the wallet since a really long time as well. Therefore this is something wise that works along the way, I do think if more sites are using this method, they might prevent further probelms with the players.
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[madnessteat]

Most players register multiple accounts to increase the probability of winning due to the bonuses provided, realizing the risks of losing their money. Even if a player has not read the terms of service and rules of participation in referral programs, he understands that he is trying to cheat the gambling site. Whether it's immoral or not depends on a person's upbringing. Someone builds his life on deception and someone does not accept such behavior. Therefore, it is impossible to say unequivocally.

[UmerIdrees]

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

So such greedy persons are abusing the system by making more account only to get income from their own referral or getting more bonus money for signups.

Its good that gambling site ban such scammers. Isn't it good that those cheater deposit money in different accounts and all of those account get ban. The cheater deserve such punishments.

[uneng]

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

How can you say the casino doesn't tell what kind of cheating the person was doing? It could vary from situation to situation.
Also, sometimes the casino can be the cheater, that is when the house doesn't want to pay the gambler and creates an issue to justify an account ban. In this case it's more likely they won't tell the form of cheating the gambler was doing, because there wasn't any cheating in first place.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

It's unethical to not follow casinos' rules like this one, because when people break this rule they show no respect for the platform and its operators who put a lot of effort creating worthful promotions to please customers. And cheaters are actually fools, as on long run the number of promotions will just decrease due to so many trickery attempts.

[Fortify]

While reading at this thread Why do most (if not all) casinos ban users’ accounts if have more than one?. Something came to my head and here it is:

We in this forum have seen so many gambling sites launched and many of us have tried those sites. Sometimes, the new gambling site provides a giveaway for new members to test to find out that the site is worth continuing to use and can be a good site for us.

The problem is that when we do a test with free money or make a deposit to our account on the site and we can win some money, we become greedy and want to get more money. We can register on the site using our referrals, and we know that many of the gambling sites have affiliate programs.

Then, after we register and deposit some money, we can win again and when we win, we want to withdraw the money. Still, it turns out that the site tells us that we are cheating. Still, they haven't or don't tell us where the form of cheating is even though we know that we have registered twice on the site and that site has also informed us that they will not allow anyone to register using the same IP or having multiple accounts and they can check every member to find any form of cheating.

What do you think? Is it related to morale, ethics or what is your opinion?

It depends what lengths the person is going to in order to commit these frauds against casino companies quite frankly. Just like a store in the real world is allowed to set reasonable rules (e.g. you must be wearing shirts and shoes to enter) the casinos also have terms that you agree to before registering. Every single site offering such rewards will specifically limit the reward to one per customer and require agreement before creating your account(s). If the customer decides to break those agreements then it will be up to the discretion of the casino on if any sort of refund is appropriate - I would expect them to do the decent thing and refund it for genuine mistakes where neither side has lost or gained anything, however you cannot expect the casino to eat a loss based on the benefit from a special promotion that is wrongly abused. It seems pretty obvious.