Bounty scammer get payed without troubles... warnings just ignored

[babo]

I'm not very good with English, everyone knows
but as an Italian, I know I know Italian well (at least)
indeed, most of the posts are on my local board (I want to make it grow even more)

I can say that as an Italian, it is not correct and it is quite strange
lol

There is a guy from INDIA that translate in ITALIAN language but he use some "unknown" words meaning everything.
Clearly ( ) he is not Italian nor he can just say or write correctly "CIAO".
Despite several warnings (see below the full list), he get payed from bounty manager. 

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[Csmiami]

Hey guys, would you think creating some sort of "translator blacklist" would be a good idea? It'd be hosted here at the reputation board, and I have some sort of idea on how to develop it. Problem is, end of the day most of these translators simply work for shitprojects, so it could be a total waste of time

Let me know what you think of it

[bitbollo]

If still, someone can provide proofs that he got paid illegitimately, We will apologize and next time will be more careful about such situations. [/b]And I will pay some bonus to the guys who in the first place pointed it out.

Sorry yesterday I didn't reply to this part. @irfan_pak10

this guy it's me! Seriously you haven't understood already? Can I make a sketch? My english is literally so bad?!?
It should be clear. No bonus. Nothing, please.
It has been done not for any monetary or secondary purpose.
(very important = PECUNIA OLET AT LEAST FOR ME)

I created this topic to pointed out a situation with a lot of problems/issues:
- projects (it these are really "projects") get a shitty job despite money involved. They are aware? Any complaints?
- italians are completely excluded from these small tasks (no money/no sharing/no ideas nothing)
- this is a clear scam. a lot of fraud translation have been availed by unknown newbie.
- forum has been demolished by so many scammer/shit poster/ spammer etc etc and I don't want spend my precious time on a place that seems more a place for scammers than a place to talk about bitcoin.
- it's clear you have done absolutely nothing. And I am taking my situation as a CLEAR EXAMPLE of a wayto work.
Yep you didn't nothing, before any warnings, before paying him (you didn't reply to my post/other posts / Private message).

[examplens]

In his comments, Where he mentioned, that if anyone can provide proofs that he used GT, I would have gladly rejected his entry if he was found guilty. But given the benefit of the doubt situation, we accepted his entry. 

since you don't understand Italian very well either, maybe you should still accept suggestions from people whose native language is Italian. especially if they are already proven members here.
looking for more evidence here is pointless.

If still, someone can provide proofs that he got paid illegitimately, We will apologize and next time will be more careful about such situations. And I will pay some bonus to the guys who in the first place pointed it out.

the point is that you don't have to apologize here. You should apologize to your employers, campaigns owners. they are damaged here because they paid for something badly done, the result is that this unprofessionalism will be reflected on them.
Just imagine what their potential Italian investor ^{those who do not read this thread and your apology} will think of them, they could not do a correct translation.

It's no big deal if you count or don't few retweets, but for things like this, you should have zero-tolerance.

[rhomelmabini]

It's no big deal if you count or don't few retweets, but for things like this, you should have zero-tolerance.

That's the thing he lacks as I see it, the one month that @bitbollo provided pieces of evidence and details stating it's a lousy translation job, that's more than enough I guess that he lacks the tolerance.

Hey guys, would you think creating some sort of "translator blacklist" would be a good idea? It'd be hosted here at the reputation board, and I have some sort of idea on how to develop it. Problem is, end of the day most of these translators simply work for shitprojects, so it could be a total waste of time

Let me know what you think of it

I don't think it will just be a total waste of time if there are attentive bounty managers that will open translation bounties in the future. Some of these translator wannabes do tend to apply if the rate is huge even on some legit projects and it's a good thing if bounty managers have this list to look for. I think it's a good idea.

[bitbollo]

@irfan_pak10
Can you take a look here please? I am giving the time to reply but it seems you don't care at this point.

+

I have other /questions/other "strange stuffs" to post here regarding your campaigns (yes already saved/archived ).

[E.G, it seems I am not the first "Italian" that is ignored by you... meanwhile other people are able to speak several languages  LOL ]

I am not asking too much I guess.... If you don't want post here or you don't have any excuse to explain these "strange stuffs" it's ok for me just to be aware

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58237406#msg58237406
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58244473#msg58244473

[irfan_pak10]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58237406#msg58237406
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58244473#msg58244473

Already answered.

I have other /questions/other "strange stuffs" to post here regarding your campaigns (yes already saved/archived ).

I would love to see your complaints/ Actually anyone's complaints and will process them [Should have some valid proofs.]

Hey guys, would you think creating some sort of "translator blacklist" would be a good idea? It'd be hosted here at the reputation board, and I have some sort of idea on how to develop it. Problem is, end of the day most of these translators simply work for shitprojects, so it could be a total waste of time

Let me know what you think of it

Actually, It would be a good idea, As I have created a list of all the translators, we can actually go through their previous work and see how many of them were fake - And we can add them to the blacklist. I had some permanent translators and some backup, and usually ask my backup translators to review the translation. Actually we can ask those permanent one's if they would like to review their native language translators, as it would take them few min to get an idea if the translation is done by a native or that someone used GT.

[Csmiami]

I would love to see your complaints/ Actually anyone's complaints and will process them [Should have some valid proofs.]

A bunch of (confirmed) Italians saying that something is not Italian is not valid proof enough?

[bitbollo]

Already answered.

OK. this not means (at least for ME ) that your answer was satisfactory or has minimum logical sense.
And I should not ask more question or try to understand a bit more ?

Oh yes, sure... " e la marmotta che confezionava la cioccolata" (not italians please check YT here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEpiC5Sn5FU)

A newbie without trust that has never created a topic in Italian language or section.
He is more trusted then an active user... that is also a member of Bitcoin Foundation Italian! since ..some years but yes .

Thank you definitely, you are just confirming step by step that you were clearly aware of what was going on.

Please can you explain to me this:

(other people are complaining about your translators, ops italian translators ... they get ignored )

better! this one!

(Italian join one of your translation I have verified and this is italian .... he get ignored! Ok you ignore Italian I am upset for this!!! )

VERY IMPORTANT AT LEAST THIS TIME!
LOL please don't ask again any confirmation that also this account can be an italian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=193437;sa=showPosts (ragazzi ... date un occhiata ai post precedenti... ) [guys.... please check post history]

here the spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FrORV96g3mpOr7O4LEcButNz3azDpbJll7ixlThQgiw/edit#gid=0

definitely speaking D_DOT has been always your Italian point of reference.
I am seriously curious to know WHY you need help by Italian translator (LOL in your group hahahahhaha)
THE DAY AFTER D_DOT Confirmed he is not using Google Translate (!!!)

(ULTRA LOL I AM ITALIAN I DON'T USE GT TO CHECK IF SOME ONE HE IS REALLY A MOTHER TONGUE!)
meanwhile you have not replied to any of my warnings in private or pubblic. You have just payed him.

I mean this think has no excuse. More you try to give shitty explanation and more It's something weird that you have no idea that a Legendary User Dt2 that write a lot in Italian section was less trusted than a NEWBIE with 0 post in italian section!  


in this screenshot there is another famous user that there is ready to get help.
famous because he has already connected with suspicious other alt-accounts. ( I have proof ready to be posted but .... there are so many scammers in group managed by you and your bounty that is seriously harder catch ALL SCAMMERS and ALL CONNECTIONS)

Just matter of time

complaint

No. I don't want waste time for you or with you.
I don't want post each question or observation 2 times since you don't want to reply clearly.

I have explained several ISSUES with this kind of "translations" .
[If you don’t believe it or don’t get it, I don’t have the time to try to convince you, sorry.”]
Definitely my questions are not too much focused to you but to an entire community of people that follow bitcoin and bitcointalk.
Just to be clear since you are not really smart with this shady way to reply to me (or also ignoring me for weeks and weeks and replied ONLY NOW IN THIS TOPIC!!!! )

list of translators?

are you serious? I mean you have availed several scammers in several fake translation.
It's something weird/dismal/crazy that YOU PRETEND to create a TRUSTED LIST OF TRANSLATORS.

this is a point that has been already pointed out with translators involved in your bounty project (likewise D_DOT was your Italian preferred and he is just an altaccount of another vietnamese translator, proof posted TODAY HERE and HERE

I don't know if you are just trying to "close the eyes" but .... I am literally shocked about your behavior since you are from a while in this forum.  Also enough time that posting ponzi was something "accepted".

EDIT
As you know fake Italian translator was D_DOT.
As I have posted HERE and HERE this guy is actually a "vietnamese translator".

USERNAME = anobtc

The guys that was producing fake translation in ITALIANO with this username on forum = ANO BTC .

ANO
BTC

 

(foreigners please check by yourself what it means in Italian....   I can't post a picture... sorry .... I confess this explain clearly why these translation are simply s*it)

Please note =
I was able to detect ALL this connections with D_DOT and other alt-accounts (69+) including

ANO
BTC

 

in just a couple of hours in total.

What is really absurd to me is that  I am not a BOUNTY MANAGER with literally NO EXPERIENCE IN SUCH TYPE OF RESEARCH but I WAS ABLE THE SAME TO CATCH TENS OF SCAMMERS ULTRA LOL LIKEWISE DURING "DRINKING A COFFEE " AND WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF ECONOMIC INTEREST/PAYMENT ETC ETC ETC....

THIS IS SELF-EXPLANATORY !  

[Cum Grano Salis]

[bitbollo]

I would love to see your complaints/ Actually anyone's complaints and will process them [Should have some valid proofs.]

Last but not least...
You continue to deny that there is an issue, You continue to deny PROOFS!
My complaints are not enough? You seriously have not clear after a couple of months? Why You call COMPLAINTS ?
I have seen everything than a complaints since I AM NOT PAYED by this bounty.... just warnings!!!

Actually anyone's complaints and will process them [Should have some valid proofs.]

Generally speaking, did you means,
that if I am the only that is complaining from Italy this is something that doesn't give importance to me or what I have posted here? Or maybe you have likewise a limite of people before you take care about an issue or a scam?

Moreover, about PROOFS:
I have seen, @duesoldi @fillippone @babo replies on this topic.
I don't know no one in person ( ) but since they are active from several years in Italian section and they know very well tradition history culture etc etc ......

Again, you need other
Proofs?
More Complaints?
You need some help again a couple of months of explanation by several users also this time?
More connections with D_DOT and people enrolled in your bounty?
Other scammers/fake translator in your bounty/telegram group?

I mean "PICC0LOLATTE" It's something weird and stupid that no one idiot in Italy will use as a nick name but I mean.... I am asking rethorical question, there are enough evidences for others forum users to make their free OPINION.

[irfan_pak10]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list, and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

[examplens]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list, and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

shouldn't you be looking for some of the previous work from the translator? also checking post history, it is easy to determine if the user has any connection to the language for which he is offering translation.
honestly, I'm surprised that after so much experience and campaign you've been managing, you still don't have your own list of quality translators.

[irfan_pak10]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list, and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

shouldn't you be looking for some of the previous work from the translator? also checking post history, it is easy to determine if the user has any connection to the language for which he is offering translation.
honestly, I'm surprised that after so much experience and campaign you've been managing, you still don't have your own list of quality translators.

We do have out own list, but lately many of them are inactive, so we had to go with the new translators. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fTtJCSqHBLkhWIbbiqR0Y7DnRfrDYoIEVaKGn0O6VYM/edit?usp=sharing

[Csmiami]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list, and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

Figures you'd have to do that, since the user is already banned from the forum...

I'll try to create the blacklist I mentioned earlier in a few hours, but come on... It does look like you are saying you are taking some action AFTER you have no other choice. I know altcoin bounties are worse than the wild west, but managers shouldn't be the ones encouraging it

[irfan_pak10]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list, and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

Figures you'd have to do that, since the user is already banned from the forum...

I'll try to create the blacklist I mentioned earlier in a few hours, but come on... It does look like you are saying you are taking some action AFTER you have no other choice. I know altcoin bounties are worse than the wild west, but managers shouldn't be the ones encouraging it

As I mentioned before we use to hire our permanent translators [Permanent Italian translators - unsoindovo & Luigi21] and which I believe are very good, seeing their previous work. But recently they were active so we tried finding a new one and D_DOT got a history a translation job, He actually joined many campaigns before managed by reputed managers and got accepted in them. So we hired him as our translator for Foobee campaigns.

[edit]

We only used him recently in our last few campaigns, from which I can he got paid in only one. I will be rejecting him in the campaigns where he has yet to get paid/

Edit 2

His previous work: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1c2qrjUcN0rRP0zUMs_OOcsUlUZzxqOJH

[Stalker22]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58237406#msg58237406
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366504.msg58244473#msg58244473

Already answered.

I'm sorry irfan_pak10, but your answer does not add up. You ignored the proof of one Italian guy and asked for confirmation from another Italian guy? What's the difference? Did you have a special reason for not believing bitbollo in the first place? Or at least for not verifying his claim?

[bitbollo]

Removing D_DOT from our translator list,

WOW So you are confirming that he was "not removed" until now, or generally unless banned or unless pointed out by tens of member?
The fact that he has been payed in FEW campaign it's just shocking .
Because other people (fake translator) get payed in your campaign

Moreover,
This is a sort of concession to me or to Italian Community? Have you seen that this is another alt-account of VIETNAMESE TRANSLATOR?
STOP I WILL NOT LINK ANYMORE NOTHING there are enough proofs

and with the next translation bounty, I will hire backup guys to review the translations job.

LOL
Here it's the same STOP. I WILL NOT MAKE ANY OTHER RESEARCH.

arif90900 - Italian ALTACCOUNT DDOT
gamezal - German
Manish2809 (Hindi) - ALTACCOUNT DDOT
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ejZ-_hCJhbZbLBwDmYX2n3_V201WQwtkJIWJ5wtkD7I/edit#gid=480175974

It's clear these guys are genius since they are also able to speak (in your campaign) this language.

gamezal - Russian
arif90900 - French
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ObeZgIaX66LtIOYoGD4VSw6gfjJ88kcd3AbFWjcpMbo/edit?usp=sharing

I have taken just the FIRST 2 SPREADSHEET THIS MORNING (7 and half Rome Time)
This means that in a less then 15-20 minutes I have been able to detect at least 2 fake translators from your campaign.
please note I am not speaking other languages but I can confirm that these guys are not speaking so many languages (and casually .... all are altaccount of D_DOT / Manish2809 /
ANOBTC (he is still my favorite ...) / arif90900 /

And I was able to detect just checking 2 spreadsheet in few minutes...early morning.
did you have never noticed that these guys were able to speaking several languages?
PS this is "your job" and  you have you topic "list of translator" and more over a complete excel. If you don't get it............

At this point, your "clients" are aware that people enrolled in your translation seems able to speak several languages?

And you are completely unable to make your verify or understand correctly who is a trusted guy or who don't?
Or this guy create content from 8 years in Italian section. Definitely a Newbie "from India" it's more trusted and more logical sense   LOL at least is funny for me.


@Stalker22
I have posted a screenshot were it was clear ... that he was not interested to have a look on my reply.

He has availed this explanation (andI mean and I repeat, we are talking with a kind of expert in this field, but he was not able to detect a clear scam with multi account and pointed out by a DT2 User with several trust, active here.... from several years).

@D_DOT, This spammer is an indian. But he translate Italian language. So its simple that he used GT.

If you think that's done by GT then You translate the same documents into Google. If the same answer comes from Google Translate, then I will step back and leave this platform on my own, I'll go back to the freelancer or other platform. Translate a few paragraphs and see if same answer comes in GT, then after that I have said that what i will do. And I don't even know how to run this platform very well and don't know much options of btt. I can toggle its options or change them.

Well @irfan_pak10 thinks that this is a valid explanation (in fact he has not replied to me and payed him).
They (both guys) were thinking that "if this is not translated with GT this is ok" .... LOL
And I have discovered a lot of data just as hobby? Plus it's FULL OF ALT ACCOUNTS of "D_DOT" (ANOBTC yes he is still my favourite!!!) in translation list?

MA MIA FACCIA IL PIACERE (foreigners please check YT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa3a50pLmu8 )

[dkbit98]

What this fake translator did is crazy and I think that managers should also be responsible for something like this, so @irfan_pak10 you should know that you are putting your reputation on the line for him.

I think that many translators from bitcointalk are just using google or other machine translations that are getting better and better, but they are still not good enough to correctly translate large documents like whitepapers.
There was even a case in our local forum with one member who was doing just that while he was using several alt accounts, he didn't stop even after we told him to stop doing that, but he ended up being banned now for plagiarism.
People are doing cheating like this even if they are speaking the language because it's faster and usually there is nobody to check the translation, that is the biggest problem.

[bitbollo]

again... history repeat itself
but
I am happy that this time the warning will be taken seriously by @irfan_pak10
since the precious one has been completely abandoned by him

if any other italian would confirm:
@babo
@duesoldi
@gbianchi
@fillippone
it's appreciated, thank you. grazie.

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I have just caught another fake italian / sure scam .

@irfan_pak10
I mean could you avoid please to pay such very low quality user? this is what he has posted in italian section:

Op non ti preoccupare perché il thread che vuoi vedere è il problema principale Lo sto guardando anche io, quindi siamo gli stessi che abbiamo visto l'immagine che vogliamo vedere è il problema.

don't worry because the thread you want to see is the main problem I'm looking at it too, so we are the same ones we saw the image we want to see is the problem.

LOL! yes in english maybe this has a sense but the translation is a complete SHIT!

and....to "mr scammer fake italian"  
please remember that Italian is one of the hardest language that you can learn.
you don't know anything about our history so this is why you have such ludicrous result easy to be detected.

Even you can find a "good translator" you will be detected because you don't know nothing about "our tradition and many other things that only ITALIANI knows

So what you're doing  It's just a waste a time like an idiot
just my 2 cents but probably the same applies also to any other language..... so I guess it's ok this "money making machine" is OVER!

[fillippone]

I would say the above quoted paragraph has no sense whatsoever in Italian. Bitbollo is right, Italian is a difficult language, and this translator provides a very low quality work.