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October 20, 2021, 11:19:54 AM
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Broncos < Browns
Washington < Packers
Chiefs < Titans
Falcons > Dolphins
Jets < Patriots
Panthers > Giants
Bengals < Ravens
Eagles < Raiders
Lions < Rams
Texans < Cardinals
Bears < Buccaneers
Colts < 49ers
Saints > Seahawks





Week 5 Predictions:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364091.msg58108452#msg58108452

12 predictions correct, 4 incorrect:  75% accuracy

Week 6 Predictions:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365205.msg58158634#msg58158634

10 predictions correct, 4 incorrect:  71.4% accuracy


Overall record:  22 - 8.


Average accuracy after 2 weeks:  73.2%.





Considering the active number of posters in this section, I thought these threads would receive more replies.

Are most in europe or asia where soccer is the go to sport for gambling?





Reminder: I'm not a pro at picking winners in NFL.

I only consider myself a beginner.  


NFL is new to me.

I still need to learn the basics: formations, team dynamics, pay scaling affect on motivation, PED trends, seasonal affect on point over unders. And similar topics before I would consider my picks to be vaguely accurate and reliable.


The only sport I might be considered pro at picking winners is mixed martial arts.

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October 20, 2021, 03:39:24 PM
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Could you give a reason for creating this thread? If you want to assess the accuracy of your predictions, then for each event you must indicate the odds from the bookmakers so that you can evaluate whether your predictions are stronger or not.
For example, I can give a lot of predictions with an accuracy of 80%, but the odds from the bookmakers will be less than 1.2, and if you decide to bet on such predictions, you will still be in the red.

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October 20, 2021, 04:20:13 PM
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Considering the active number of posters in this section, I thought these threads would receive more replies.

Are most in europe or asia where soccer is the go to sport for gambling?
I guess it depends, i'm not from the US but I enjoy watching the NFL more than soccer since their schedule is fixed between Monday, Friday, and the weekends.

Like what KTChampions mentioned it'd be more interesting if you mention the odds of each pick since we don't know if you're up or not just based on the win rate alone.

For example, on Week 6 you'd be up by 2 units assuming a 1 unit stake per prediction.

Also out of all those matches what's your most confident pick?

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Considering the active number of posters in this section, I thought these threads would receive more replies.

Are most in europe or asia where soccer is the go to sport for gambling?
The NFL is not really a popular league on this board, there are a few die hard fans that enjoy talking about all things NFL and even all things football as sometimes we talk about other leagues around the world, right now most of the discussion on the all purpose thread on this board has to do with our fantasy league but there are members that could surely appreciate your predictions and your reasoning behind them, I will leave you the link if you want to join the discussion there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224503.0

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October 21, 2021, 11:50:24 PM
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Could you give a reason for creating this thread? If you want to assess the accuracy of your predictions, then for each event you must indicate the odds from the bookmakers so that you can evaluate whether your predictions are stronger or not.
For example, I can give a lot of predictions with an accuracy of 80%, but the odds from the bookmakers will be less than 1.2, and if you decide to bet on such predictions, you will still be in the red.


Its very common for people to post picks and plays ahead of time on a gambling forum.

If someone can predict 80% of games, and still have a losing record.

It might be fair to say, their approach is flawed on a fundamental level.

Most correlate high accuracy with low betting odds. But some of the winning teams I picked were betting underdogs.


Considering the active number of posters in this section, I thought these threads would receive more replies.

Are most in europe or asia where soccer is the go to sport for gambling?
I guess it depends, i'm not from the US but I enjoy watching the NFL more than soccer since their schedule is fixed between Monday, Friday, and the weekends.

Like what KTChampions mentioned it'd be more interesting if you mention the odds of each pick since we don't know if you're up or not just based on the win rate alone.

For example, on Week 6 you'd be up by 2 units assuming a 1 unit stake per prediction.

Also out of all those matches what's your most confident pick?



There are definitely underdogs in my picks.

In week 6, I had the underdog raiders winning over the betting favorite broncos.

I also had the underdog chargers beating the ravens, which turned out to be incorrect.

Like I said I'm a beginner as far as NFL goes, so I won't be posting specific plays. But I'll try to be more detailed on things for sake of discussion / fun.
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October 22, 2021, 10:21:42 AM
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Could you give a reason for creating this thread? If you want to assess the accuracy of your predictions, then for each event you must indicate the odds from the bookmakers so that you can evaluate whether your predictions are stronger or not.
For example, I can give a lot of predictions with an accuracy of 80%, but the odds from the bookmakers will be less than 1.2, and if you decide to bet on such predictions, you will still be in the red.
Its very common for people to post picks and plays ahead of time on a gambling forum.

If someone can predict 80% of games, and still have a losing record.

It might be fair to say, their approach is flawed on a fundamental level.

Most correlate high accuracy with low betting odds. But some of the winning teams I picked were betting underdogs.

So, do you plan to include odds in future predictions so that we can evaluate the effectiveness of your predictions? Basically, everyone is interested in this - efficiency, not forecast winrate. If I see your next forecast in time, I can check the odds myself, but it would be more convenient to indicate them directly in the thread.

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October 25, 2021, 02:39:56 PM
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So, do you plan to include odds in future predictions so that we can evaluate the effectiveness of your predictions? Basically, everyone is interested in this - efficiency, not forecast winrate. If I see your next forecast in time, I can check the odds myself, but it would be more convenient to indicate them directly in the thread.


 If I make future threads, I'll try to include odds.

Usually, I avoid looking at odds when making picks. Conflict of interest.

Odds and potential profit influence decision making, usually for the worse. The most profitable format is to delete odds and profit from the equation, to prevent emotions and greed from clouding judgement.

In practice the way this works is...  If one bet profits $50 and another $100. People naturally gravitate towards what they view as bigger money, even if its a bad play. This is the most difficult part of gambling IMO.
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So, do you plan to include odds in future predictions so that we can evaluate the effectiveness of your predictions? Basically, everyone is interested in this - efficiency, not forecast winrate. If I see your next forecast in time, I can check the odds myself, but it would be more convenient to indicate them directly in the thread.
If I make future threads, I'll try to include odds.

Usually, I avoid looking at odds when making picks. Conflict of interest.

Odds and potential profit influence decision making, usually for the worse. The most profitable format is to delete odds and profit from the equation, to prevent emotions and greed from clouding judgement.

In practice the way this works is...  If one bet profits $50 and another $100. People naturally gravitate towards what they view as bigger money, even if its a bad play. This is the most difficult part of gambling IMO.

But still, the point of forecasting is only to be better than the one with whom you make a parlay (usually a bookmaker). Therefore, when evaluating forecasting, odds are needed. If you think that odds will affect your predictions, you can first make a prediction, and then look at the odds.

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October 28, 2021, 05:40:53 AM
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Sorry to bump into this thread but yes, accuracy without odds don't mean anything. For example, on my own thread, my accuracy is less than 10% from season to season (and currently on a rather high >10%) but that's because the majority of the bets are longshot odds.

I know some people (and even on this forum) sell their picks advertising high accuracy, but the only reason people would pay for signals is to make profit.

If you only bet on 15/10 odds, you'd need 66% accuracy just to break even, so 70% is necessary to be profitable on those. And in my experience, those posting 70%+ accuracy have a healthy number of picks below 15/10.

So odds are, to me, completely necessary -- you can always include them after you make predictions. Also, because a 3/1 underdog is in a very different bracket to a 20/1 underdog Wink

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October 28, 2021, 05:50:02 AM
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I'm curious about the 73.2% accuracy thing as It's hard to achieve as a sports bettor, so I'm here checking your thread.

I think I would agree with @buwaytress here as the odds are very important, it does matter on your money as betting on the favorites will likely give you more win as most of the bettors would choose to bet on the favorites until they see the odds are lower which means the low return of their money risk.

it would be more enticing if the odds would be at least 1.90 as according to what I read, you just need to maintain at least 52.4% in order to have a successful betting journey for the long term.

https://medium.com/the-intelligent-sports-wagerer/why-52-4-is-the-most-important-percentage-in-sports-gambling-16ade8003c04

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Good article. Nothing new in terms of mathematics, but I'm glad that this important point is emphasized:

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To ensure profit, the bookmaker need not be able to predict the outcome of games more accurately than bettors — the bookmaker merely needs to predict bettor preferences so as to balance wagers on each side.

I see distorted bets often (due to the fact that bookmakers give odds based on the mood of the public) and I see that there is a good opportunity for real money on betting. As for the forecasts from this topic, I hope the author will post his next forecasts before the events and I will try to check his forecasts in terms of profitability.

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October 29, 2021, 04:38:47 PM
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But still, the point of forecasting is only to be better than the one with whom you make a parlay (usually a bookmaker). Therefore, when evaluating forecasting, odds are needed. If you think that odds will affect your predictions, you can first make a prediction, and then look at the odds.


These predictions are not meant for gambling purposes.

You definitely are right that odds need to be posted.

TBH I have not the slightest clue how betting underdogs do versus betting favorites in NFL leagues, or how often my picks are betting favorites on paper.

This is a for fun, learning experience thing atm.


Sorry to bump into this thread but yes, accuracy without odds don't mean anything. For example, on my own thread, my accuracy is less than 10% from season to season (and currently on a rather high >10%) but that's because the majority of the bets are longshot odds.

I know some people (and even on this forum) sell their picks advertising high accuracy, but the only reason people would pay for signals is to make profit.

If you only bet on 15/10 odds, you'd need 66% accuracy just to break even, so 70% is necessary to be profitable on those. And in my experience, those posting 70%+ accuracy have a healthy number of picks below 15/10.

So odds are, to me, completely necessary -- you can always include them after you make predictions. Also, because a 3/1 underdog is in a very different bracket to a 20/1 underdog Wink


Officially announced break even stats depend on an even distribution.

Gamblers usually increase or decrease bet amount, depending on how confident they are on individual picks.

Averages don't really apply. In my humble opinion anyway.  


I'm curious about the 73.2% accuracy thing as It's hard to achieve as a sports bettor, so I'm here checking your thread.

I think I would agree with @buwaytress here as the odds are very important, it does matter on your money as betting on the favorites will likely give you more win as most of the bettors would choose to bet on the favorites until they see the odds are lower which means the low return of their money risk.

it would be more enticing if the odds would be at least 1.90 as according to what I read, you just need to maintain at least 52.4% in order to have a successful betting journey for the long term.

https://medium.com/the-intelligent-sports-wagerer/why-52-4-is-the-most-important-percentage-in-sports-gambling-16ade8003c04


I don't agree with the logic offered behind the 52.4% statistic.

There were days where my picks when 7-1 (87.5% correct) and I still lost money due to placing larger bets on the single loser, than I did the 7 winners.

And there have been days when my accuracy hovered around 50% and I made money due to allocation being shifted in the opposite direction.

52.4% might apply in cases, where someone makes 100 bets of equal value. But in my experience, that is not how people do things.



Good article. Nothing new in terms of mathematics, but I'm glad that this important point is emphasized:

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To ensure profit, the bookmaker need not be able to predict the outcome of games more accurately than bettors — the bookmaker merely needs to predict bettor preferences so as to balance wagers on each side.

I see distorted bets often (due to the fact that bookmakers give odds based on the mood of the public) and I see that there is a good opportunity for real money on betting. As for the forecasts from this topic, I hope the author will post his next forecasts before the events and I will try to check his forecasts in terms of profitability.


Bookmakers have better and more reliable sources of insider information. They have sources the general public usually has no access to, to help them set the line profiting them the most $$.

Athletes can have personal issues, injuries, substance abuse problems, relationship drama and other conditions that will affect their performance the public would never know about. While bookmakers often do know about these circumstances and move the line accordingly -- in whichever direction they believe will profit them the most.
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