For those who think that they caught the moment when it's late to buy

[AakZaki]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.
But if you do choose to trade futures, there is nothing wrong with starting short. But to fall to the price of $ 30k it is still impossible for now. The price of bitcoin is still continuing and creating new ATH again.

[carlfebz2]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.
But if you do choose to trade futures, there is nothing wrong with starting short. But to fall to the price of $ 30k it is still impossible for now. The price of bitcoin is still continuing and creating new ATH again.

People do common lost out  their chance to make profits just because they are always looking for possible bottom prices which they could get in and
when the price starts to climb up again then thats the time they do make out some purchase and whenever it do drops then they do panic sell.

Keep repeating on the same mistakes until they would make out some regrets in the end because they havent able to recognized or consider
on buying while its still on deep reds.

This is a matter of risk taking when making out buying decisions its either a do or die situation of course.

[lixer]

Imagine, if you open short position on futures trading right now, it means that you can get 50% profit it price falls on 30K USD and in this case, the money that puts you into risk of liquidation is 120 000 USD, i.e. if bitcoin reachs 120K, you'll get liquidated but if you think that bitcoin won't go further and it's late to buy, then you can get decent profit on your capital.

Some of these types of trading can be really hard for some traders to understand, and these are the types of trading that carries much risk. It’s just like leveraging, if you should make a mistake here you know that it’s going to be a big problem.

If you do not know how to trade futures, it would be best to stay clear from it from now until you feel that you have developed really good skills in trading to be able to handle this type of trading. It is best for traders who are not highly skilled to continue with the normal trading that they are doing to avoid further taking risks and losing more money.

[Flexystar]

Never thoughts its late to enter into bitcoin or as crypto investor of other coins. Always see the prices hiking each year. When started with crypto first I was too scared to put single dim into it because nothing was sure about it. You could end up loosing some or all of the money. Later ICO scams scared me too but as the time passed on and crypto started to become hub for the real investor I was very sure this new born gonna rule the world sooner or later.

I am stating this background because with this bitcoin become stronger along with the other candidates too. More investment started coming from billionaires around the world. This literally helped them hike every now and then.

Moreover, this trend continues. This is why I don't feel like it's gonna be later anytime soon to invest in the crypto.

[FanEagle]

If it's too late to buy, then why don't you never think about opening a short position on futures trading? I really just don't get it.

You may do that even on spot markets with the help of stablecoins or fiats. Shorting is not only for futures markets but you can go for it on spot trading without any leverage. When you are buying stablecoins for your bitcoin then literally you are shorting and if bitcoin prices coming down then you need to buy back to close your "shorting".

I agree your point of being afraid to buy bitcoin now still most people never prefer to shorting as well. I must be one of them. I have been holding bitcoins for years hence I guess I do not need to disturb my positions right now for 50% gain or anything like that. I will buy more if dips and fund available otherwise I am just a spectator of market fluctuations.

people often think that they can only buy something and don't realize that they can do borrow sell too and get profit even when price falls.

This may be the case of new bitcoiners but people who are all actively making use of different discussion of this forum definitely might have got chances to check about shorting and how to make money even on downfall market of bitcoins. Definitely this topic might have opened many new people's eye and might serve its purposes.

[michellee]

Maybe it is not late but they still need to have the patience to buy because if they still try to buy when the price increase, they will have the chance to see the downtrend that can make them panic. But if they can wait for a while until the correction comes, they will get something to expect because, after the correction, the price can be back to the high price to make a profit.

But if they want to borrow funds to buy bitcoin, as @OP suggests, they need to have a good analysis to predict when they can borrow and trade the funds. If they do not have the analysis, it will confuse determining the right time to act. Sometimes, people do not know how much money they should use to buy bitcoin instead to buy it in a rush without analyzing the trend and that is their mistake that we should avoid.

[tulusikhlas]

Not as easy and sweet as said. Talking about the advantages of trading with the many versions of a trading strategy is the same as boasting about one method and considering the other as an ineffective method.
For those of you who may apply for such trades, of course, you have found a point of taking quite a large profit. But for other traders, it's not necessarily the same. It depends on how much control you have.

[el kaka22]

As long as you have enough time to wait, and you have researchers ability then you are NEVER too late in crypto, even 10 years later will not be too late. Obviously we are too late to making 60000x profit on bitcoin probably, that ship has sailed, but that type of profit in crypto is not gone. Just recently someone found out that a guy bought 8 thousand dollars worth of shiba when it first came out, and that now worths 5+ billion dollars. Think about it, from 8 thousand to 5 billion, that means from 800 to 500 million or hell 80 bucks to 50 million, hell even 8 dollars would be 5 million dollars, that is insane to think about.

Most of us would sell when we saw that, and the dude hasn't traded a single thing in over 6 months so he might be gone now, but the profit to be made is still there in crypto and it will probably stay there for a long time.

[maju69]

Futures trading is riskier than spot trading as you don't own the coin you are betting on. So I won't advise a noon to venture into that without having adequate knowledge of it.

Is it really effective with timing? I think it's enough to look at the volatility of a coin and review it through the movement of price volumes every day. Isn't futures trading on the other hand more attentive if you can't always see spot trading at any time in the market?

In my opinion, spot trading is actually more risky and difficult to control emotions so that it is not consistent in applying the strategy directly.

[DarkDays]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.

I agree that investing is all about timing but then also if you are not in a hurry and are prepared to hold for the long-term then you can never say that's too late since this is all time relative.

There are no times when you can say you can't enter the market. The great thing about crypto unlike traditional stocks & shares market is that you get rapid price fluctuations and there are always opportunities. All it takes is a prepared mindset, and some DYOR.

[kawetsriyanto]

Yeah, this thread is for these kind of people. If it's too late to buy, then why don't you never think about opening a short position on futures trading? I really just don't get it.

Not all people can take that risk. Future trading for some people is very risky and of course, it has a higher risk than Spot trading.
So, what if we are really not ready with the risks of futures trading? Not all people also understand trading in the future. if we are forced ourselves, we will lose our money.
We may think to get higher profits, but also we must think logically and wisely, do whatever that we really understand and we can afford to lose.
And about being late, taking profits maybe not only in that coin. They can take profits from other cryptocurrencies that are considered to have more chances to rise up again.

[Oilacris]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.

I agree that investing is all about timing but then also if you are not in a hurry and are prepared to hold for the long-term then you can never say that's too late since this is all time relative.

There are no times when you can say you can't enter the market. The great thing about crypto unlike traditional stocks & shares market is that you get rapid price fluctuations and there are always opportunities. All it takes is a prepared mindset, and some DYOR.

One of the best things that you could really get on dealing with crypto is that you could really get in whenever there are fluctuations which you cant really see that often when you do deal with stocks or forex.

But somewhat when it comes to risk then it is way more higher though but well, you do know on how people do deal up with fire.

We do love to risk into something that gives something bigger and better in terms of profits or rewards

[2double0]

for them to be able to borrow for futures trading they will have to own some first which means they first have to buy. 😀 

This is not about margin borrowing, op talked about futures trading and you need to transfer usdt to start shorting any coin.

the reason why they think its too late to buy is because of the price of BTC. 63k for 1BTC is really heavy for someone.  they have not learned about BTC while its cheap or they were confused because they thought BTC was scam since the media made it appear as scam.

Media misrepresented btc everywhere as a ponzi.
Even when scammers took the advantage of crypto, media showed that btc was such type of cryptocurrency that moves out of your wallet without your consent and a scammer can easily scam you as the security is weaker. I don't think it is the btc price that stops anybody to buy, but their inverse mentality. Those traders started thinking since 2011, "Oh my gosh! Btc is $30? This is very high and it will die soon."
"So, crashed? I told you, this won't be in the markets for long time."
Then came traders from 2013, then 2017 and now.
If they will keep thinking and won't take risky decisions, they will not even short due to lack of courage and discouragement from others too about its price and bull run ending and again, a fall. I have a tip (not a financial advice) for traders, either buy and make money this bull run or wait till the next 4 years to get a chance again.

[andriarto]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.

I agree that investing is all about timing but then also if you are not in a hurry and are prepared to hold for the long-term then you can never say that's too late since this is all time relative.

There are no times when you can say you can't enter the market. The great thing about crypto unlike traditional stocks & shares market is that you get rapid price fluctuations and there are always opportunities. All it takes is a prepared mindset, and some DYOR.

One of the best things that you could really get on dealing with crypto is that you could really get in whenever there are fluctuations which you cant really see that often when you do deal with stocks or forex.

But somewhat when it comes to risk then it is way more higher though but well, you do know on how people do deal up with fire.

We do love to risk into something that gives something bigger and better in terms of profits or rewards

late or not this actually comes from feelings of self. we worry too much to start with, and end up regretting why we didn't buy it earlier. I agree whenever we can invest, and of course we have been prepared for a long period of time to take profit, if the target comes sooner then it is a bonus for us

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well there are many ways of thinking, which are respectable and I think many are based on their own experiences to express an opinion and even advice, if we take into account particular experiences it is difficult to follow a trend, because generally some advise it. that others do not advise. According to the investment books I have read and some trading books, it is best to always buy cheap, never buy at highs.

But when noticing that the BTC market is different from the other markets, it is evident that we can establish a comparison according to our experiences or experiences, in my case I think that if it is bought at price levels lower than the last ATH it is a good investment , because it is obvious that the BTC will take the bllish trend again, reach the ATH and surpass it, this is my logic, the only thing is that you must wait as long as necessary to obtain profits.

[BitcoinAccepted]

First of all futures is really risky and not for everyone, some users don't understand what they are saying and some people use that phrase as an expression which some of them means they are late to load up Bitcoins or other cryptocurrency. If they are late to buy there is always a correction, dips and other good entries to reenter the market they might just late for the current trend but still it is not always going up it is a cycle.

[SquallLeonhart]

The reason why I opened thread about this is that people often think that they can only buy something and don't realize that they can do borrow sell too and get profit even when price falls.

Borrow sell may not be a good idea as per many people's opinion as usually derivative markets are too dangerous due to its wild volatile nature. Even we can make profits in spot markets during the downfall market conditions and I am already into such way of trading from recent past. Even I am a long term holder, I have allocated a very little bitcoins for the purpose of selling at peaks and buying back at bottoms. This way I sold by bitcoin when prices were trading around 55k levels (but bitcoin went up to 64k in April which made me somehow regretting) but I go chances to buy back around $38k levels (the low was $29k).

[wxa7115]

Imagine, if you open short position on futures trading right now, it means that you can get 50% profit it price falls on 30K USD and in this case, the money that puts you into risk of liquidation is 120 000 USD, i.e. if bitcoin reachs 120K, you'll get liquidated but if you think that bitcoin won't go further and it's late to buy, then you can get decent profit on your capital.

Some of these types of trading can be really hard for some traders to understand, and these are the types of trading that carries much risk. It’s just like leveraging, if you should make a mistake here you know that it’s going to be a big problem.

If you do not know how to trade futures, it would be best to stay clear from it from now until you feel that you have developed really good skills in trading to be able to handle this type of trading. It is best for traders who are not highly skilled to continue with the normal trading that they are doing to avoid further taking risks and losing more money.

This is one of the huge problems with the people trading the markets, before they even learn how to spot trade effectively they see other forms of trading that promise to be even more profitable and they want to try them, in a way this makes sense as traders are always looking to maximize their profits.

But on the other hand they do not seem to understand that the difficulty level and the risks increase as well, so if they were unable to make profits with spot trading then it is going to be way more difficult if not outright impossible for them to make profits with any other form of trading they may try, but for some reason they cannot see this.

[tvplus006]

Yeah, this thread is for these kind of people. If it's too late to buy, then why don't you never think about opening a short position on futures trading? I really just don't get it....

Very often you have to stay away from deals, since the price for long is already too high, but it's too early to open a short. In this case, you need to wait for confirmation of the reversal formation, the price of which may be higher than the current price. In this case, the profit received in case of a successful transaction will be higher.

[wxa7115]

it's actually never too late when you look for bottom prices and start entering. Spot trading will continue to provide profits even when prices are already high by taking advantage of any price fluctuations.

I agree that investing is all about timing but then also if you are not in a hurry and are prepared to hold for the long-term then you can never say that's too late since this is all time relative.

There are no times when you can say you can't enter the market. The great thing about crypto unlike traditional stocks & shares market is that you get rapid price fluctuations and there are always opportunities. All it takes is a prepared mindset, and some DYOR.

While technically the evidence tell us there is no wrong moment to enter the market, as even those that invested during an ATH, like what happened to those that invested at the end of 2017, can still obtain huge profits, at the same time we need to as realistic as possible when it comes to our entry points.

The majority of those that entered the market back then were unable to hold their coins due to the huge losses they were facing and the fact they did not buy to hold for the long term, so our entry point becomes really important as it makes it easier for us to hold our coins for the long term as the losses we could face are way smaller than if we invested during an ATH.