[Boxing] Tommy Fury vs Jake Paul

[Oceat]

Exhibition fights these days are more like scripted fights like the WWE lol    The fighters get money either way.
They just try to make the fight more entertaining so that the users can get it rolling.
To look at it from a boxing perspective I think Tommy has the edge in this fight. Jake is good too but Tommy might win this one.

Exactly! The drama, drama fuels up everything, it gives them more money, and makes it look even more interesting, and this is the master plan on generating easy money, I'd love to bet honestly because matches like these are usually biased and mostly sided to the Paul's, regardless if Logan or Jake, the matches are honestly boring but I'll still bet on Logan because profit is still profit.

If boxing is just like this I don't I want to watch someone especially if I'm a fan but this is exhibition match so it's more like a scripted fight but I doubt if they have been sparring secretly or just talking over the phone to make the act believable. Although, WWE still got a lot of fans and continue to watch the matches as if it's not that scripted, so I guess other people are loving how the match supposed to be.

Anyway, Logan is just a youtuber just like Logan and we all know that a pro boxer vs a youtuber, the pro will always wins because they have this experience in fighting plus their hardcore training that makes them get used to the punching. So, I have a doubt if Jake will winin this kind of fight.

[Welsh]

I disagree, as does Tyson Fury. It's good for the sport as it brings in a whole new audience and some of them will stick around for other pro fights. I think it adds a little spice to the sport. Big fights tend to take ages to get sorted whereas these big-money match-ups get sorted pretty quick and they're often fun to watch in between the big main pro events.

I'm kind of sick of it, though I'll probably admit that its been beneficial to boxing as a whole. I've felt for years now, boxing has been on the decline, and these Youtubers certainly put the spotlight back onto boxing. I used to watch quite a bit of boxing, but these days I only really tune into my favourite fighters, and most of them are in the heavyweight division. UFC played a part in my interest waning, but I've definitely focused on boxing a lot more recently due to this....circus? I don't know if it's fair to say that, the Jake Paul vs Tyrone Woodley fight was actually alright. The Jake Paul fights before that were ridiculous, but I guess the Mayweather vs Logan fight was OK.

My biggest gripe with boxing is the politics involved in matching up fighters. Joshua, and Fury should have already fought, and it's annoying as a fan to be strung along, and then the big fights end up happening when they are no longer in their prime, making it a bit of a farce, due to the fact they wanted to milk the hype behind them as much as possible.

[hilariousetc]

I disagree, as does Tyson Fury. It's good for the sport as it brings in a whole new audience and some of them will stick around for other pro fights. I think it adds a little spice to the sport. Big fights tend to take ages to get sorted whereas these big-money match-ups get sorted pretty quick and they're often fun to watch in between the big main pro events.

I'm kind of sick of it, though I'll probably admit that its been beneficial to boxing as a whole. I've felt for years now, boxing has been on the decline, and these Youtubers certainly put the spotlight back onto boxing. I used to watch quite a bit of boxing, but these days I only really tune into my favourite fighters, and most of them are in the heavyweight division. UFC played a part in my interest waning, but I've definitely focused on boxing a lot more recently due to this....circus? I don't know if it's fair to say that, the Jake Paul vs Tyrone Woodley fight was actually alright. The Jake Paul fights before that were ridiculous, but I guess the Mayweather vs Logan fight was OK.

That's the fight that made me take an interest in him. Jake blitzed the other two but I expected Woodly to KO him fairly easy as he has - or had - knock-out power but Jake was the better fighter in that fight. If I had no idea who Jake was tuning into that match I wouldn't have thought he was a youtuber or not a pro boxer. With amateurs or newcomers to the sport you can usually tell a mile off that they're not very good or can't box. Jake looked a natural and from what I've seen of Tommy's fight I don't think there's much between them to be honest. Jake has impressed me whereas Tommy has just been ok, but he's clearly been fighting journeymen. This fight will see them both step up in my opinion. Pressure is all on Tommy though as well so I think that could play a part. If Jake gives him a good first round I'm sure Tommy will go back the corner looking pretty worried.

My biggest gripe with boxing is the politics involved in matching up fighters. Joshua, and Fury should have already fought, and it's annoying as a fan to be strung along, and then the big fights end up happening when they are no longer in their prime, making it a bit of a farce, due to the fact they wanted to milk the hype behind them as much as possible.

It's all down to the money at the end of the day, but the mandatory fights always throw a spanner in the works. If it wasn't for the Wilder rematch then the Fury/AJ fight would have happened. I'm sure it will still happen but a lot of people will lose interest if AJ keeps losing. There's not many fighters left for Fury though. Usyk will likely be next if he beats AJ again which he probably will. Then who? I'm kinda hoping Ngannou goes into boxing as I'd love to see him against one of the big boxing heavyweights. I think he can knock anyone out if he lands one of those bombs he swings from a different universe. He'd get out-boxed all day against someone like Fury, AJ or Wilder, but I'd like to see what happens if someone like them took one of his best shots.

[Fundamentals Of]

I personally have never seen Tommy Fury boxing

You can find most of his fight on youtube, but you wont find anything extra ordinary in these fights. Tommy looks bigger than his opponents. He just goes forward, throwing lots of body punches to the block, trying to hit liver or slowdown his opponents. I think with tactics like that, he will get tired after round 3.

It seems Tommy has the advantage because he has someone to depend on and consult while training. But in terms of boxing skills, both are equal.

I think that Jake can also get some kind of consulting. From Floyd Mayweather for example. I believe that the "hat accident" was just a hype before Floys vs Logan fight. And with money Jake has, he can get really good consulting and coaches. On the other hand, that wont help him, because he is an ass

Of course everybody who gets inside the ring in a professional match will have to have some consultation with the pros in the sport. They will have to receive training and guidance from the best. But it is simply different to have a real life biological brother who is a beast inside the ring, undefeated, and an active champion. You know, the advice, strategies, tips, etc are all given free-flowing and without any charge. Tommy could easily get access champion tips 24/7 from Tyson.

[TopTort777]

Tommy could easily get access champion tips 24/7 from Tyson.

Jake could do the same. Somehow they Paul brothers are friends with Mayweather. I am quite sure that if Jake wont be that ass, he would easily get some help (with help of money) from Freddie Roach or Trevor Wittman. So that help from Tyson can be countered with is own champs.

Anyway, it is almost 3 weeks till the fight and it is impossible to raise a champion or perfect boxing machine. Both fighters boxing career began in 2018. They dont have a lot of boxing matches, and perhaps a lot of training. Tommy has fought really bad fighters, while Jakes opponent also could be better. I think that they both have identical chances to win.

[herurist]

besides being able to entertain this also brings a lot of money
Because there really are a lot of people in the bet even if it's an exhibition.

For bettors it will only bring a lot of money if they will win, but since it's gambling, someone has to lose in order for the other to win.
The sportsbook are going to make money since they always does regardless of the outcome of the fight.

But this is a good spectacle at least in this case we can relax for a while watching a pretty good spectacle while drinking beer with the family. As for who wins I don't really care about that what I want is a good fight that's served there

We have to enjoy, this is not a real fight, by the name itself which is an exhibition fight, you cannot pattern the scoring to the professional boxing rules, they also have their own rules to follow, and probably script too.

The biggest winner here in the end are these two boxers.

This is a natural thing because I've heard a quote that says that no matter how hard a gambler tries, the one who wins is still a dealer and this is proven that no matter how much you lose or win from a gambler, the dealer will reap a lot of wealth.

It's quite reasonable as you say but more accurately to say this is arranged it would be better to say this match is a family match that won't be violently injuring and subverting.

[Fundamentals Of]

Tommy could easily get access champion tips 24/7 from Tyson.

Jake could do the same. Somehow they Paul brothers are friends with Mayweather. I am quite sure that if Jake wont be that ass, he would easily get some help (with help of money) from Freddie Roach or Trevor Wittman. So that help from Tyson can be countered with is own champs.

Anyway, it is almost 3 weeks till the fight and it is impossible to raise a champion or perfect boxing machine. Both fighters boxing career began in 2018. They dont have a lot of boxing matches, and perhaps a lot of training. Tommy has fought really bad fighters, while Jakes opponent also could be better. I think that they both have identical chances to win.

I doubt they could access Mayweather as if he is a brother. I doubt they're even real friends. Mayweather won't probably drop a joystick because Jake is calling again for the third time in a day. Friendship is cheap. They've met on some occasions, chatted a little, faced Logan inside the ring, faced the media together, etc and they're calling each other friends. This is not the kind of accessibility Tommy has in Tyson.

I agree that both of them have identical chances of winning.

[TopTort777]

As soon as Mayweather smells money, he would be the first to call Jake

I just want to destroy myth that Tommy Fury is as good boxer as Tyson Fury, just because they are relatives. Tyson and Tommy are just half-brothers. I really doubt that their father John Fury put as much boxing experience and knowledge as in Tyson. For me Tommy is a tv star on the first place, and being a professional boxer is just an addition.

People just see they have identical surnames, in their wiki profiles is written professional boxer, Tommy has 7-0 record and instantly make conclusion that they are like Klitschko brothers.

[wxa7115]

If Jake is so fond of boxing, he should train more and do more amateur boxing fights, instead of moving to professionals or having exhibition matches. If he posses himself more like a youtuber, then he should to say loud words about being greatest or be able to knockout anyone. He can knockout anyone on the street, but that is more about luck.

It should be obvious by his actions that he does not care that much about boxing at all and this is nothing more but a way to promote himself, and while some fans may not like this I am sure many professional boxers would like the opportunity to fight against him.

After all I am sure this fight is generating way more interest in social media and in monetary terms than many other fights that have better fighters above the ring, and since boxing is a business I am sure promoters and boxers alike are happy with the current state of things.

[Hypnosis00]

If Jake is so fond of boxing, he should train more and do more amateur boxing fights, instead of moving to professionals or having exhibition matches. If he posses himself more like a youtuber, then he should to say loud words about being greatest or be able to knockout anyone. He can knockout anyone on the street, but that is more about luck.

It should be obvious by his actions that he does not care that much about boxing at all and this is nothing more but a way to promote himself, and while some fans may not like this I am sure many professional boxers would like the opportunity to fight against him.

After all I am sure this fight is generating way more interest in social media and in monetary terms than many other fights that have better fighters above the ring, and since boxing is a business I am sure promoters and boxers alike are happy with the current state of things.

Before they announce this fight, they already build hype on Fury fighting Jake Paul, so the fans already are aware of this possibility, and there's more hype now because of the many opponents Jake Paul has faced and beat in the past, Tommy Fury now could be his toughest opponent and Paul is the underdog in this fight.

[Welsh]

That's the fight that made me take an interest in him. Jake blitzed the other two but I expected Woodly to KO him fairly easy as he has - or had - knock-out power but Jake was the better fighter in that fight. If I had no idea who Jake was tuning into that match I wouldn't have thought he was a youtuber or not a pro boxer. With amateurs or newcomers to the sport you can usually tell a mile off that they're not very good or can't box. Jake looked a natural and from what I've seen of Tommy's fight I don't think there's much between them to be honest. Jake has impressed me whereas Tommy has just been ok, but he's clearly been fighting journeymen. This fight will see them both step up in my opinion. Pressure is all on Tommy though as well so I think that could play a part. If Jake gives him a good first round I'm sure Tommy will go back the corner looking pretty worried.

He gained a little respect from me for the Woodley fight. Although, I find myself disappointed in Woodley more than impressed with Jake. I know there was several allegations after the fight about terms being inserted into the contract to favour Jake, however to be honest the more I think about it the more likely this is MMA fans trying to save face. Woodley has always been a frustrating fighter to watch, since he has talent that much is clear, but he just freezes sometimes, and doesn't empty the gas tank when he needs too. Though, hes obviously had a decently successful career.

I think what fed those allegations or rumours whatever you want to call them, is the fact that Woodley actually did knock down Jake, however it wasn't a clear knock down. Jake fell into the ropes, however as far as I know that should count as a knock down according to the boxing rules. He looked like the ropes stopped him from falling rather than just resting on them after a decent punch taken.

I don't think even Tommy's father or half brother is convinced Tommy can do it. This is a massive money earner for Tommy, and to be honest if Tommy wins this its probably the most exposure he'll ever have. I might be wrong in this, I just think Tommy hasn't got his heart set on boxing like Tyson. Tyson seems to live, and breathe boxing, and when hes not training it plays into his mental health issues, whereas Tommy appears on various dating shows, and kind of just uses the boxing as something hes alright at. I think its the name pushing his boxing career rather than his ability.

It's all down to the money at the end of the day, but the mandatory fights always throw a spanner in the works. If it wasn't for the Wilder rematch then the Fury/AJ fight would have happened. I'm sure it will still happen but a lot of people will lose interest if AJ keeps losing. There's not many fighters left for Fury though. Usyk will likely be next if he beats AJ again which he probably will. Then who? I'm kinda hoping Ngannou goes into boxing as I'd love to see him against one of the big boxing heavyweights. I think he can knock anyone out if he lands one of those bombs he swings from a different universe. He'd get out-boxed all day against someone like Fury, AJ or Wilder, but I'd like to see what happens if someone like them took one of his best shots.

Yeah, the hype naturally dies down when Joshua doesn't revenge his loss. I felt like Joshua lost a lot of momentum when he lost against Ruiz, but he gained a little bit of it back in the rematch. However, I'm not convinced that was Joshua's doing, instead I think it was Ruiz coming in unprepared after the fame he had after the win. He definitely looked a lot slower, and was half arsing things instead of chasing the fight like the first fight.

Personally, I'm always going to be interested in Fury vs Joshua. Its still some of the best heavyweights, and while I do think Fury puts on a masterclass against Joshua, and actually exposes a lot more of Joshua's weaknesses than we've seen. However, what makes that fight exciting isn't the boxing ability of Joshua per say, its his power. He needs to clear the cobwebs out of his skull, and go back to the Joshua who bites down on his mouth guard, and looks to knock his opponent out. He definitely didn't do that against Usyk, and he paid the price for it.

[OgNasty]

I don't think even Tommy's father or half brother is convinced Tommy can do it. This is a massive money earner for Tommy, and to be honest if Tommy wins this its probably the most exposure he'll ever have. I might be wrong in this, I just think Tommy hasn't got his heart set on boxing like Tyson. Tyson seems to live, and breathe boxing, and when hes not training it plays into his mental health issues, whereas Tommy appears on various dating shows, and kind of just uses the boxing as something hes alright at. I think its the name pushing his boxing career rather than his ability.

I don't know if I'd go that far.  They sure seemed like they believed him when they were ranting like lunatics during the press conference.  Everyone keeps saying Tommy is a real fighter, so I'm expecting Jake to get KO'd.  There has been mounting evidence that Jake is on steroids and has been for some time now.  His latest refusal of drug testing seemed to only confirm that.  So to me, it's less about who is the better boxer and more about if skill can beat science.  I think it can and years of boxing training beats a few months of steroid use here and there, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

[Welsh]

I don't know if I'd go that far.  They sure seemed like they believed him when they were ranting like lunatics during the press conference.  Everyone keeps saying Tommy is a real fighter, so I'm expecting Jake to get KO'd.  There has been mounting evidence that Jake is on steroids and has been for some time now.  His latest refusal of drug testing seemed to only confirm that.  So to me, it's less about who is the better boxer and more about if skill can beat science.  I think it can and years of boxing training beats a few months of steroid use here and there, but I guess we'll see soon enough.

I'll be honest I saw like a two minute clip of John Fury shouting at the screen, and just repeating himself as everyone else tried to talk, and switched it off. I find John Fury absolutely horrible to listen to some times, its a shame because he occasionally has some decent insight into fighting. Occasionally.

I only think they don't actually believe in him because this is probably the most interest they've shown towards his career. As far as I know, they've shown up, but you've never seen John Fury shouting down a TV screen like that to other fighters that Tommy has fought, and while Tommy's resume might not be the best I'd say hes fought more proven fighters than Jake Paul. So, it comes off as a show for me instead of being said with any kind of substance. Tyson seemed quiet in the video I saw, though that might be because his old man is on one.

He's a real fighter, though you only need to look at his resume to see he hasn't really been tested, and even against supposedly weaker fighters he hasn't exactly set the world on fire. The thing is with steroids, it doesn't make the hulk over the night, you still have to put work in. Although, I'm not using that as a way to say its acceptable in professional sports. I'm not really sure on how accurate the steroid accusations are, I would expect Jake would probably test positive for other more recreational drugs than steroids. As far as I can see he hasn't really put a whole lot of weight on, or muscle mass not at an alarming rate anyway.

My question is; how can a professional boxer (because that's what he is...right?) refuse a drugs test, when surely a drug test is required by the commissioning bodies to sign the fight off? I know MMA fighters get tested even when they haven't fought for a while, since they're still under contract. Alright, I'm not going to pretend there aren't people cheating the system, because there has clearly been instances in the past, but I just can't fathom how a commissioning body would allow a fighter to just outright refuse. Surely, it has something to do with building the fight, and it'll come out that Jake actually has had a test?

[pawanjain]

Exhibition fights these days are more like scripted fights like the WWE lol    The fighters get money either way.
They just try to make the fight more entertaining so that the users can get it rolling.
To look at it from a boxing perspective I think Tommy has the edge in this fight. Jake is good too but Tommy might win this one.

Exactly! The drama, drama fuels up everything, it gives them more money, and makes it look even more interesting, and this is the master plan on generating easy money, I'd love to bet honestly because matches like these are usually biased and mostly sided to the Paul's, regardless if Logan or Jake, the matches are honestly boring but I'll still bet on Logan because profit is still profit.

If boxing is just like this I don't I want to watch someone especially if I'm a fan but this is exhibition match so it's more like a scripted fight but I doubt if they have been sparring secretly or just talking over the phone to make the act believable. Although, WWE still got a lot of fans and continue to watch the matches as if it's not that scripted, so I guess other people are loving how the match supposed to be.

Anyway, Logan is just a youtuber just like Logan and we all know that a pro boxer vs a youtuber, the pro will always wins because they have this experience in fighting plus their hardcore training that makes them get used to the punching. So, I have a doubt if Jake will winin this kind of fight.

That's exactly why they keep an exhibition fight. Most people think that the boxer who is more professional and experienced will definitely win.
But they script it out in such a way that either the match becomes draw or in some cases the opponent wins the match.
It's all just for money in my opinion. They know most will bet on the best one and then they end up losing their bets.

[Botnake]

Exhibition fights these days are more like scripted fights like the WWE lol    The fighters get money either way.
They just try to make the fight more entertaining so that the users can get it rolling.
To look at it from a boxing perspective I think Tommy has the edge in this fight. Jake is good too but Tommy might win this one.

Exactly! The drama, drama fuels up everything, it gives them more money, and makes it look even more interesting, and this is the master plan on generating easy money, I'd love to bet honestly because matches like these are usually biased and mostly sided to the Paul's, regardless if Logan or Jake, the matches are honestly boring but I'll still bet on Logan because profit is still profit.

If boxing is just like this I don't I want to watch someone especially if I'm a fan but this is exhibition match so it's more like a scripted fight but I doubt if they have been sparring secretly or just talking over the phone to make the act believable. Although, WWE still got a lot of fans and continue to watch the matches as if it's not that scripted, so I guess other people are loving how the match supposed to be.

Anyway, Logan is just a youtuber just like Logan and we all know that a pro boxer vs a youtuber, the pro will always wins because they have this experience in fighting plus their hardcore training that makes them get used to the punching. So, I have a doubt if Jake will winin this kind of fight.

That's exactly why they keep an exhibition fight. Most people think that the boxer who is more professional and experienced will definitely win.
But they script it out in such a way that either the match becomes draw or in some cases the opponent wins the match.
It's all just for money in my opinion. They know most will bet on the best one and then they end up losing their bets.

You definitely can't do anything if there's a script as that will be followed no matter what, that's why the game is called rigged because of that existence. hopefully it will not happen in this fight and we will witness a great match which would end up in a KO so there will be a winner.

[SUPERSAIAN]

Exhibition fights these days are more like scripted fights like the WWE lol    The fighters get money either way.
They just try to make the fight more entertaining so that the users can get it rolling.
To look at it from a boxing perspective I think Tommy has the edge in this fight. Jake is good too but Tommy might win this one.

Exactly! The drama, drama fuels up everything, it gives them more money, and makes it look even more interesting, and this is the master plan on generating easy money, I'd love to bet honestly because matches like these are usually biased and mostly sided to the Paul's, regardless if Logan or Jake, the matches are honestly boring but I'll still bet on Logan because profit is still profit.

If boxing is just like this I don't I want to watch someone especially if I'm a fan but this is exhibition match so it's more like a scripted fight but I doubt if they have been sparring secretly or just talking over the phone to make the act believable. Although, WWE still got a lot of fans and continue to watch the matches as if it's not that scripted, so I guess other people are loving how the match supposed to be.

Anyway, Logan is just a youtuber just like Logan and we all know that a pro boxer vs a youtuber, the pro will always wins because they have this experience in fighting plus their hardcore training that makes them get used to the punching. So, I have a doubt if Jake will winin this kind of fight.

That's exactly why they keep an exhibition fight. Most people think that the boxer who is more professional and experienced will definitely win.
But they script it out in such a way that either the match becomes draw or in some cases the opponent wins the match.
It's all just for money in my opinion. They know most will bet on the best one and then they end up losing their bets.

Exactly as you mentioned. In this way, all of the show matches are to fill the money sack as a result of the advertising event. I stay away from betting as it is an exhibition match. I don't think it's a problem for me to have these kinds of events from time to time, it creates a nice ambiance. Jake Paul should have embraced this sport a little more and improved himself until now, it still looks awful. He will fight with zero technique in this match.

[hilariousetc]

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Tommy has fumbled it and pulled out of the fight. Jake will now be fighting Woodly in the rematch. He's even offered him an extra 500k if he can knock Jake out. Ballsy of Jake to offer such a bonus.

I know there was several allegations after the fight about terms being inserted into the contract to favour Jake, however to be honest the more I think about it the more likely this is MMA fans trying to save face.

That was complete BS spouted by Dillon Dannis. He's obviously pretty butthurt over not being the one fighting Jake.

I think what fed those allegations or rumours whatever you want to call them, is the fact that Woodley actually did knock down Jake, however it wasn't a clear knock down. Jake fell into the ropes, however as far as I know that should count as a knock down according to the boxing rules. He looked like the ropes stopped him from falling rather than just resting on them after a decent punch taken.

I guess you can debate whether it was a knock down but it was more of a stumble to me and he looked ok after it and bounced straight back.

[OgNasty]

I really can’t believe that Fury pulled out of this fight. The legend of Jake Paul continues on… I guess we’ll see if Woodley taking the fight more seriously has a different result. Personally, I’d be a bit worried if I were Jake. He’s done a great job boxing so far, but I don’t know if giving fighters a second crack at him is a good idea. The money train stops for no man so I guess Jake had to fight someone…

[goinmerry]

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12488354/tommy-fury-pulls-out-of-jake-paul-fight-tyron-woodley-to-step-in-for-rematch-as-replacement-opponent

Tommy has fumbled it and pulled out of the fight. Jake will now be fighting Woodly in the rematch. He's even offered him an extra 500k if he can knock Jake out. Ballsy of Jake to offer such a bonus.

Surprised by the sudden change of event.

Woodley likes to revenge his split decision loss to Jake Paul just last August so I think he is the best replacement. This is the first time I saw a "professional" boxing match of the same event that will take place just a few months prior last fight.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375655.0

[agustina2]

I really can’t believe that Fury pulled out of this fight. The legend of Jake Paul continues on… I guess we’ll see if Woodley taking the fight more seriously has a different result. Personally, I’d be a bit worried if I were Jake. He’s done a great job boxing so far, but I don’t know if giving fighters a second crack at him is a good idea. The money train stops for no man so I guess Jake had to fight someone…

If there's no serious medical condition that happened, Fury won't be pulling out. They have a thing to settle with Jake Paul and looks like it will take time to happen. I still hope they will face each other in the future to make it official who's the most dominant.

I second with you that Woodley might become more serious to make their result against Jake Paul even. I hope Woodley will give Jake Paul his first defeat and that will trigger a trilogy. The result of the first match is close. Woodley can make it better next time.

My last post here as all related to Paul vs Woodley has a separate discussion thread.