Gender-Equality: 2021

[famososMuertos]

In the past days I have found somewhat divergent opinions that go against that premise of equality, without a doubt that there are cultural and social elements that for some are a priority and in fact for those of us who are outside that cultural line we respect it but not we share.

Despite these gains, many challenges remain: discriminatory laws and social norms remain pervasive, women continue to be underrepresented at all levels of political leadership, and 1 in 5 women and girls between the ages of 15 and 49 report experiencing physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner within a 12-month period.

^{Source:https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/gender-equality/}

The current situation has undoubtedly caused a great setback:

“Limited gains in gender equality and women’s rights made over the decades are in danger of being rolled back due to the COVID-19 pandemic,” the UN Secretary-General said in April 2020, urging  governments to put women and girls at the centre of their recovery efforts.

^{Source:https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/gender-equality/}

Ground is being lost in terms of gender equality or even the current situation has only served to show that, far from achieving significant progress, we continue to worsen and the covid-19 has only brought out realities that are not being overcome.
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[BADecker]

Nobody can even find equality from one person to the next. Why would anyone think there could be gender equality?

[libertasbella]

Nobody can even find equality from one person to the next. Why would anyone think there could be gender equality?

Plenty of people are willing to do whatever it takes to create gender equality. Just give them control over your personal and professional life and they'll turn the world into their vision of a utopia.

[famososMuertos]

Nobody can even find equality from one person to the next. Why would anyone think there could be gender equality?

Hi, 

Did you read the article?

although in reality I do not understand your answer very well, I think you are out of the context expressed in the subject.

It is very strange that you mention equality in individuality, it is very incoherent, in fact nonsensical, you give yourself the answer, by the way.

Now I answer you, gender equality exists, just in case you did not know, but there is an imbalance in opportunities and that is what the issue is about.

[Dripstoil]

Gender Equality is as stupìd as the people pushing it. You can't achieve equality through agitation and intimidation. Throughout history, people strive hard, through hard work, to become equal with whom they want. It is never handed down through legislations.

[mistereverything]

Gender Equality is as stupìd as the people pushing it. You can't achieve equality through agitation and intimidation. Throughout history, people strive hard, through hard work, to become equal with whom they want. It is never handed down through legislations.

yep agree with you. idiots really need to keep their mental problems out of the public or be put inside an asylum

[KingsDen]

Gender Equality is as stupìd as the people pushing it. You can't achieve equality through agitation and intimidation. Throughout history, people strive hard, through hard work, to become equal with whom they want. It is never handed down through legislations.

But why is there inequality at first. Why not be equal from the beginning?
Why does it seems female are weaker, why not the reverse?
Maybe we should be saying of gender justice and not gender equality.

[mu_enrico]

Gender equality is a scam, at least in first world countries. It shouldn't be about underrepresentation of political leadership, small number in certain jobs, etc. But about do they (woman) have the freedom to do anything they want? I think Jordan Peterson's interview is an excellent answer to this gender equality issue. About the abuse, oh well, my wife abuse me mentally, and I bet men also get abused by women (just in a different form lol). Women already protected by law anyway. Thus, if you want to seriously solve gender equality, go to the Middle-East.

[famososMuertos]

Gender equality is a scam, at least in first world countries. It shouldn't be about underrepresentation of political leadership, small number in certain jobs, etc. But about do they (woman) have the freedom to do anything they want? I think Jordan Peterson's interview is an excellent answer to this gender equality issue. About the abuse, oh well, my wife abuse me mentally, and I bet men also get abused by women (just in a different form lol). Women already protected by law anyway. Thus, if you want to seriously solve gender equality, go to the Middle-East.

This specific case mentions 2021 and refers to the article mentioned in the OP.
"scam" without doubt a criterion that is very typical of the same adjective you use  in your post.

On the other hand, it is not necessary to go anywhere, it is something individual, respect for others should not involve countries and fewer cultures is something universal.

But why is there inequality at first. Why not be equal from the beginning?
Why does it seems female are weaker, why not the reverse?
Maybe we should be saying of gender justice and not gender equality.

It is a question of form and not of substance, in the long run, if it is justice or equality, it is necessary to debate the issue and arrive at unifying criteria.

[Rruchi man]

The message of gender equality is getting stronger as women are fighting for more inclusion, and truth is i think that if these women really put themselves out there more, they may really be an option for the inclusion they seek. However the twist for the gender equality message is that some females are trying to turn it into a situation where they want to be more favoured than males even without qualifications, tipping the scale of equality against men as we have now started to see more men who are unnecessarily marginalized by some new rules that the people who set them claim is to promote equality.

[Silentsweeper]

Human beings are very dangerous!!!!! We struggle to except each other cultures and Race. Women are also born leaders and they need chances in life to proof it. Females will lead by example, integrity. Females are very clever and intelligent. Its sad that males abuse females and girls. Real Men dont do it. Your daughter or wife can be a born leader!!!!!

[mu_enrico]

"scam" without doubt a criterion that is very typical of the same adjective you use  in your post.

It's a scam in the sense of "equality of outcome" scam.
The form of equality that is desirable is equality of opportunity.
It means doesn't matter if you are men or women, as long as you are the most capable, you will get the job.

On the other hand, it is not necessary to go anywhere, it is something individual, respect for others should not involve countries and fewer cultures is something universal.

Shit cultures don't deserve respect. Not all cultures are equal.
There are some cultures that should better be gone than be preserved.

[Cnut237]

It's a scam in the sense of "equality of outcome" scam.
The form of equality that is desirable is equality of opportunity.

I'd certainly agree that equality of opportunity is the aim. The issue is that in certain situations, you can't have that without forcing (or encouraging) some outcomes, at least initially, in order to address historic inequality of outcome.

Say you have a company with 100 employees, all white men. You have a job vacancy. The interview panel will be comprised of 5 white men. Two people show up for interview, a white man and a black woman. You can't argue that both have been invited for interview, therefore there is equality. The situation clearly favours the white male candidate, based on ethnicity and gender rather than ability to do the job. Say both candidates are good, perfectly capable, but the black woman would be 3% better at the job... do you really think they wouldn't hire the white male?

It means doesn't matter if you are men or women, as long as you are the most capable, you will get the job.

In an ideal world, yes. In the real world, no.

[BernyJB]

Now I answer you, gender equality exists, just in case you did not know, but there is an imbalance in opportunities and that is what the issue is about.

And now I answer you: gender equality most certainly DOESN'T exist, and will never do. Why?
Because we're NOT EQUAL, period.
In fact, you are contradicting your own statement. You don't seem to understand what "equality" means. You're saying equality exists, "but there is an imbalance". Well, guess what? If there is an "imbalance", equality sure as hell does not exist. The whole concept is ridiculous.

I do agree that women deserve respect, but men do also. It's actually women that minimize the importance they naturally have, by trying to compete with men. If they had a bit more pride on what they are and do, we wouldn't be needing to hear this BS. 

And no, I did not read the article.

[Cnut237]

gender equality most certainly DOESN'T exist, and will never do. Why?
Because we're NOT EQUAL, period.

Your statement contradicts the evidence. A huge meta-analysis has demonstrated quite conclusively that "The truth is that there are no universal, species-wide brain features that differ between the sexes".

Any differences in behaviour, inferred capability, etc. between men and women are based entirely on societal factors. The biological difference is effectively zero.

[BernyJB]

gender equality most certainly DOESN'T exist, and will never do. Why?
Because we're NOT EQUAL, period.

Your statement contradicts the evidence. A huge meta-analysis has demonstrated quite conclusively that "The truth is that there are no universal, species-wide brain features that differ between the sexes".

Any differences in behaviour, inferred capability, etc. between men and women are based entirely on societal factors. The biological difference is effectively zero.

Yeah.

I see 2 problems with that line of reasoning:

1. We are not brains. And plenty of meta-analyses throughout the history of the human species show there are plenty of differences between the sexes.
2. Society has changed substantially through time, and the differences in behavior, capabilities, etc, have stayed largely the same. The biological difference is effectively (and thankfully) enormous.

[famososMuertos]

This is a subject that requires tacit way of thinking and not expositional reflections. COVID-19 pandemic and the aforementioned study. O_T (On topic)

That same source provides the following information:
 https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/E_Infographic_05.pdf

This is not a personal matter or a study that seeks to give as a talk of reality that may even be worse than the data that is reflected, it is even to reflect on these data, it is to debate rather than confront thoughts that require critical relevance in knowledge of cause.

"scam" without doubt a criterion that is very typical of the same adjective you use  in your post.

It's a scam in the sense of "equality of outcome" scam.
The form of equality that is desirable is equality of opportunity.
It means doesn't matter if you are men or women, as long as you are the most capable, you will get the job.

Undoubtedly, in that type of thinking that you propose I can feel identified but it is not the whole, the job offers are only part of the problem, the general of the article to which I refer includes 17 global objectives, but I have not mentioned them, because the OP is referred to the subject in question; COVID-19 pandemic.

On the other hand, it is not necessary to go anywhere, it is something individual, respect for others should not involve countries and fewer cultures is something universal.

Shit cultures don't deserve respect. Not all cultures are equal.
There are some cultures that should better be gone than be preserved.

Well, that is an opinion to be debated, I sincerely believe that some cultures "should" transform and over time adapt to new times rather than disappear, because a culture is not only nourished by rights towards individuals from a social or behavioral point of view according to their beliefs, there is music, food, religions, culture is a complex pattern that concerns us but without doubt some aspects should be transformed.

The study itself reflects how the statistics have changed in terms of violence, psychological abuse, job opportunities, etc. in fact has been seen a new setback.

[mu_enrico]

I'd certainly agree that equality of opportunity is the aim. The issue is that in certain situations, you can't have that without forcing (or encouraging) some outcomes, at least initially, in order to address historic inequality of outcome.

Say you have a company with 100 employees, all white men. You have a job vacancy. The interview panel will be comprised of 5 white men. Two people show up for interview, a white man and a black woman. You can't argue that both have been invited for interview, therefore there is equality. The situation clearly favours the white male candidate, based on ethnicity and gender rather than ability to do the job. Say both candidates are good, perfectly capable, but the black woman would be 3% better at the job... do you really think they wouldn't hire the white male?

Then, the problem is not in the conceptual/design, but in the implementation or more practical domain. The solution shouldn't rework the design aka equality of opportunity (which is a sound idea IMO), but to make sure the design is correctly implemented. In case of some insist not implementing the idea, the natural selection will make the firm less competitive.

If my company has all white men employees, I'd fire my HR manager since he/she clearly doesn't do the job. IQ-wise, at least there must be a bunch of Asian in my company.

I sincerely believe that some cultures "should" transform and over time adapt to new times rather than disappear, because a culture is not only nourished by rights towards individuals from a social or behavioral point of view according to their beliefs, there is music, food, religions, culture is a complex pattern that concerns us but without doubt some aspects should be transformed.

No matter how you spin it, the "female genital mutilation" culture and "beat your wife" culture should be banished.

[Dripstoil]

Gender Equality is as stupìd as the people pushing it. You can't achieve equality through agitation and intimidation. Throughout history, people strive hard, through hard work, to become equal with whom they want. It is never handed down through legislations.

But why is there inequality at first. Why not be equal from the beginning?
Why does it seems female are weaker, why not the reverse?
Maybe we should be saying of gender justice and not gender equality.

I think the 21 century laws is the reasons anyone is talking about gender equality. In those days when men are the defenders of the family and women the keepers of the family, no one talked about gender equality and everyone was happy.

The truth is that you can't change nature, no matter what you believe, females were created as the weaker human beings. It's absurd trying to enforce equality between weaker and stronger human. Both were made that way for a purpose, and changing that balance has result in family disintegrations.

[Cnut237]

In case of some insist not implementing the idea, the natural selection will make the firm less competitive.

If 'some' is a minority, then maybe. But what if 'some' is all? If we are talking about an inequality of opportunity that is embedded within society, then 'some' is likely to be either all or very nearly all.
If the most talented football player in the country is black, but every football team only hires white players, then no team is at a disadvantage.

If my company has all white men employees, I'd fire my HR manager since he/she clearly doesn't do the job. IQ-wise, at least there must be a bunch of Asian in my company.

You want someone who can do the job at a minimum of '100%' ability level. The best white male candidate can do 105%. The black female candidate can do the job at 108%. The HR manager has hired the white male at 105%, he's hired someone who is more than qualified to do the job well... he can't really be fired for that.