Some members are more priviledged than others?

[lovira]

I have reported ArcusIsidar thread to be moved from currency exchange to reputation or scam accusations.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368463.msg58311208#msg58311208

I found similar thread on currency exchange section from nutildah and reported it aswell. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346689.msg57349579#msg57349579
I am curious if ArcusIsidar thread got moved then why nutildah thread were not?
Everybody can see that both threads are similar.

https://i.imgur.com/JaCt1up.jpg

[nutildah]

Hi Vareole/colires.

Do you really believe these two threads are "similar", beyond the title?

I know you reported that thread before and it was moved the first time. I had it moved back with the explanation that it is the only preventative measure to stop perpetual tools such as yourself from scamming people not logged into the forum.

If you're not logged in you won't see trust ratings, and while naivete can be blamed for those who trust strangers on the internet, there's no reason why actual forum members shouldn't be able to attempt to slow down scams on the forum in the absence of administrative give-a-damn.

At least it makes me happy to see that its working.

[JeromeTash]

What privilege?

One thread is created by a scammer falsely accusing members who tagged him for scamming people, the other is created to warn people in the board about the persistent scammers loitering in the board. The latter has positive purpose unlike the first one.

[PrimeNumber7]

One thread is created by a scammer falsely accusing members who tagged him for scamming people, the other is created to warn people in the board about the persistent scammers loitering in the board. The latter has positive purpose unlike the first one.

While I do agree that ArcusIsidar's thread is falsely accusing several forum members of scamming, and that nutildah's thread contains a list of accounts that are very likely to be scammers, the forum does not moderate the truth, nor does it moderate scams. (BTW, one of the users in nutildah's thread did not even scam in the currency exchange sub, although he did have a currency exchange thread open).

The appropriate place for someone to check if someone might be a scammer is the Scam Accusations sub. If someone is not logged in and someone who meets certain criteria for being a possible scammer, there will be a warning at the top of their thread indicating as much.

[suchmoon]

Let me guess, escrow scammer is defending marktplace scammers because nutildah is the common enemy.

BTW that ArcusIsidar nonsense should be nuked for trolling / zero value, not merely moved around, but he's now an untouchable poster boy for affirmative action towards spammers, scammers, and other morons.

[nutildah]

BTW that ArcusIsidar nonsense should be nuked for trolling / zero value, not merely moved around, but he's now an untouchable poster boy for affirmative action towards spammers, scammers, and other morons.

He's also impersonating a formerly-established vendor in his field (despite knowing jack shit about the business), but for some reason that's also cool.

It's a joke. You ask anybody outside of this forum their opinions on Bitcointalk and if they don't ask what it is they'll tell you its a joke filled with spammers and scammers.

the forum does not moderate the truth, nor does it moderate scams.

It does moderate scams though. What do you call it when a malware link is removed? What happened to pirateat40's account?

"But the forum doesn't want to give the impression that it moderates scams, thereby creating a false sense of..."

NOBODY thinks that except for the people that I am trying to prevent from getting scammed!

Moving the thread is in itself an act of moderation and seeing as how the subject of the thread is currency exchangers it is perfectly appropriate where it currently is.

[suchmoon]

Moving the thread is in itself an act of moderation

Yeah "scams are not moderated" shouldn't mean scammers are allowed to break all other rules with impunity but unfortunately that's where we're headed with the help of all those shitpuppeting scam apologists.

[examplens]

What privilege?

One thread is created by a scammer falsely accusing members who tagged him for scamming people, the other is created to warn people in the board about the persistent scammers loitering in the board. The latter has positive purpose unlike the first one.

OP is right. I wondered also a few days ago, why ArcusIsdar ^{obviously a troll} has the privilege to post here on Bitcointalk. he still enjoys the privilege of opening new threads ^{so he locks them up to prevent any discussion} and pointlessly accusing all who do not give him support.

OP, you opened a new account just because you are worried about the sad fate of ArcusIsdar? really?

[PrimeNumber7]

the forum does not moderate the truth, nor does it moderate scams.

It does moderate scams though. What do you call it when a malware link is removed? What happened to pirateat40's account?

The forum does not moderate scams, saying that it does both removes credibility from you, and gives legitimacy to the very people you claim to be protecting inexperienced users against.

Spreading malware is not a scam the forum moderates, it is dangerous software that has no legitimate purpose.

"But the forum doesn't want to give the impression that it moderates scams, thereby creating a false sense of..."

NOBODY thinks that except for the people that I am trying to prevent from getting scammed!

That is the very reason given (repeatedly) when forum members ask for the forum to moderate scams. If the forum moderated scams, it would give legitimacy to the scammers before they scam the first time, and when they come back under new accounts.

Further, there is a giant red warning at the top of every thread created by those on your list. How many people do you seriously believe will decide against trading with anyone on your list after reading your thread in currency exchange? My guess is probably zero. As I previously mentioned, the correct procedure is to check for scam reports in the scam accusation section, if there is a scam report outside of the scam accusation section, there is the potential someone will miss it.

You also have not come close to capturing 40% of the scammers in the currency exchange section, that have posted this week. You have 4 people on your list and it was last edited a month ago.

Moving the thread is in itself an act of moderation and seeing as how the subject of the thread is currency exchangers it is perfectly appropriate where it currently is.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. The forum does engage in moderation. Your thread is posted in the incorrect section and you moved it after a moderator took action to move it to a correct section (according to you).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

ArcusIsidar's thread is falsely accusing several forum members of scamming

Yeah, I'm curious about the "schemes under the table" part of his accusation, because he doesn't provide any evidence for such--or any evidence of anything at all.  That thread ought to be trashcanned instead of moved to Scam Accusations, because all it is is a mud-slinging mess of a thread. 

That's not to say that green-trusted members haven't pulled off scams before, because they absolutely have (anyone remember MasterP?) but they don't remain on DT or green-trusted for long after their scams are uncovered.  But those members who've been trusted and who've scammed people aren't the ones ArcusIsidar mentioned, so it's really a BS thread.

[PrimeNumber7]

ArcusIsidar's thread is falsely accusing several forum members of scamming

Yeah, I'm curious about the "schemes under the table" part of his accusation, because he doesn't provide any evidence for such--or any evidence of anything at all.  That thread ought to be trashcanned instead of moved to Scam Accusations, because all it is is a mud-slinging mess of a thread. 

That's not to say that green-trusted members haven't pulled off scams before, because they absolutely have (anyone remember MasterP?) but they don't remain on DT or green-trusted for long after their scams are uncovered.  But those members who've been trusted and who've scammed people aren't the ones ArcusIsidar mentioned, so it's really a BS thread.

There is (and should be) a very high standard for trashcanning a scam accusation. There are plenty of people who are especially bad at articulating facts. I am sure there are plenty of examples of people that were legitimacy scammed who initially gave zero evidence of the theft. 

With that being said, I am confident to say that ArcusIsidar does not have any substantial evidence of a scam by all of those people, either as a conspiracy they are all participating in or as individual, separate scams. It is difficult to prove a negative and one or more of the people on his list may end up as scammers.

[nutildah]

The forum does not moderate scams, saying that it does both removes credibility from you, and gives legitimacy to the very people you claim to be protecting inexperienced users against.

As one of the most well-known scammers who still hangs out on this forum, you are in no position to judge the credibility of others.

Spreading malware is not a scam the forum moderates, it is dangerous software that has no legitimate purpose.

Malware is always used to rum a scam, is it not? You're telling me people who attempt to deploy malware on the computers of others aren't scammers? Tricking people into clicking a link to a malware-laced website is a scam, regardless of whatever weasel-ese you use to frame it.

That is the very reason given (repeatedly) when forum members ask for the forum to moderate scams. If the forum moderated scams, it would give legitimacy to the scammers before they scam the first time, and when they come back under new accounts.

Well it hardly works then does it. 

Further, there is a giant red warning at the top of every thread created by those on your list. How many people do you seriously believe will decide against trading with anyone on your list after reading your thread in currency exchange? My guess is probably zero.

It doesn't matter what your guess is, the fact that this thread exists demonstrates that its been working. But by all means keep on arguing on behalf of the forum's most notorious scammers, it defines you, after all.

Yeah, I'm curious about the "schemes under the table" part of his accusation

That's unfortunate.

[suchmoon]

Zero evidence -> zero value -> trashcan. It really is that simple, and doesn't violate anyone's free speech rights. Just need someone with a backbone to do it, like it was done with that shitface who was accusing theymos of scamming.

[nutildah]

To the moderator who keeps moving my topic:

Please note the updated OP which contains language that renders the thread no longer "off-topic".

Update Nov. 3: I am seeking to exchange currencies with well-reputed members (only). Contact me via PM please if you need something.

I changed it before the last time it was moved.

The thread is now very much my own way of advertising a limited digital currency exchange service. As a 7+ year Bitcointalk member with zero history of scamming, I'm asking that you please respect my service by leaving the thread in the proper section of the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There is (and should be) a very high standard for trashcanning a scam accusation.

I absolutely agree--and the thread started by ArcusIsidar meets those standards, because it's nothing but a statement that says "these members suck, and they're scammers".  There's no evidence of any scam presented, and there's not even a description of any scam, no details, just an angry flame post.  Those types of threads don't belong in any section, because they're just trolling threads and that isn't allowed here.

If ArcusIsidar has a problem with all of those members he named, he ought to create a thread or maybe multiple threads in Reputation to air his grievances, but I think that's all he's got, i.e., complaints about how DT members use the trust system and who knows what else. 

Zero evidence -> zero value -> trashcan. It really is that simple, and doesn't violate anyone's free speech rights. Just need someone with a backbone to do it, like it was done with that shitface who was accusing theymos of scamming.

Nobody has the right of free speech here.  Theymos has been very good about letting members express all sorts of things without fear of being moderated into silence, but this forum doesn't abide by the US constitution.  Other than that part of your post, I agree with your assessment of ArcusIsidar's garbage thread.

[suchmoon]

Zero evidence -> zero value -> trashcan. It really is that simple, and doesn't violate anyone's free speech rights. Just need someone with a backbone to do it, like it was done with that shitface who was accusing theymos of scamming.

Nobody has the right of free speech here.  Theymos has been very good about letting members express all sorts of things without fear of being moderated into silence, but this forum doesn't abide by the US constitution.  Other than that part of your post, I agree with your assessment of ArcusIsidar's garbage thread.

Well I'll be damned... the thread is gone and it looks like Rambotnic's copper sock is on mandatory vacation. I wonder if my "zero value" report worked or mods just got tired of moving the thread around but whatever it was, good riddance.

[Findingnemo]

Everyone is treated in the same way but every report will be handled case by case and also forum have different mods and different global mods so we can't assume everyone will think in the same way but when a thread is posted in wrong section it will be moved to the right section by the respective mod no matter who created the thread.

[nutildah]

@mprep
@hilariousandco

Stop moving my topic. Since you're so big on everybody following the rules, please follow them yourselves and READ the OP of the thread you keep moving. You will see I am seeking to perform a cryptocurrency exchange with trusted forum members.

A scammer asks you to jump through holes for them.

You oblige.

I jump through the same set of holes.

You continue to help the scammer.

Why?


Edit: a reasonable compromise would be making it a Sticky thread in the Currency Exchange section.

[NotATether]

Stop moving my topic. Since you're so big on everybody following the rules, please follow them yourselves and READ the OP of the thread you keep moving. You will see I am seeking to perform a cryptocurrency exchange with trusted forum members.

Why don't I just quote your topic (the OP at least, since the number of posts is huge), in my stickied topic on scam accusations?

[suchmoon]

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I had no choice but to report it now to be moved from Reputation to Currency Exchange because I can't have you spamming the Reputation board with trade topics.

Well, if you get banned at least you'll know whom to blame.