Some members are more priviledged than others?

[Quickseller]

I would tell nutildah to cut the shit and move on. It is not appropriate for your thread to be in currency exchange. This is not going to kill you. This is not something worth getting banned over.

I am not sure doing such [moving topics] is a bannable offence. Even if it is then it should be handled case by case basis. nutildah is a valuable user for the forum.

If you break any rule enough times, you will eventually get banned. I am not calling for a ban, I am just laying out the facts about what will happen next if current trends continue.

Quickseller and suchmoon never gone side by side. I wonder how hard it's to hit the ignore button for you two 🤪

Suchmoon apparently doesn't like me warning nutildah to stop breaking the rules. I don't particularly like nutildah, but I am not trying to get him banned. So she accuses QS and PN7 of sockpuppeting for saying two very different things.

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On a note, has PN7 or Quickseller ever admitted they are the same person? I never found any.

You are not going to find any.

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[suchmoon]

On a note, has PN7 or Quickseller ever admitted they are the same person?

She hasn't. But that's kinda the point. For example if LoyceV posted here using the LoyceMobile account, it's quite obvious that it's the same person. However when someone is pretending to be two different users that's when I think we have a problem.

Isn't the proper way to use forum features to Flag all accounts, so they get a warning on top of their own topics? Those are more likely to be seen by visitors than a warning topic.

Ideally those warnings should link to reference threads but they don't so nutildah's topic served a purpose for guest users. Only scammers benefit from its removal and no one (except said scammers) was harmed by it being on the Currency Exchange board.

[actmyname]

If I am banned for that, it confirms I shouldn't be wasting a single nother second of my time here anyway.

Not like a ban does anything to anyone who has enough perseverance anyway. If you were so inclined, you could make alts at any time - the forum is quite free. If you wanted to, you could even post self-modded, locked, scam threads and flood the board: oversaturating the market is one way to stop those scammers from entering. Of course, I don't mean real "scams" because I clearly lack the discretion to determine the truth: after all, even staff members can't do that!


A welcome message would be nice to have.
Or DefaultTrust ratings for guest users.

[hilariousandco]

That's obviously not how this works. Otherwise anyone could make a thread saying I'm buying/selling coins, oh and here's also a giveaway/reflink/ponzi/nft I'm selling/list of users I don't like.

nutildah isn't doing a giveaway, and it's not merely a list of users he doesn't like. It's a list of proven scammers. It's a thread specific to the currency exchange board and makes the board safer. Why is it not fit to stay on this board?

It kinda looks just like a list of users he doesn't like. In my opinion it doesn't seem substantial enough to be stickied. It's an arbitrary thread with a mere 5 usernames listed, most of which haven't logged in a while. No info or details, no nothing other than a list of random names calling them scammers. 2 of them don't even have flags on their account. I'm sure there's more than 5 scammers in the currency exchange. In fact, there's been hundreds if not thousands. Why is there only 5? What is the criteria to get listed on Nutildah's incredible list of scammers and is he going to keep it updated? Is he going to add to it? Is it going to be an exhaustive list of all bitcointalk fiends past and present or is it just going to be a list of a handful of random scammers/ones he's left feedback on? New threads should only be stickied if they're of high value and important and if I'm being honest that thread looks pretty lazy and largely useless to me regardless of who created it. Do you think we should sticky every thread that user's request or let everyone post their threads where they personally feel is best? I can create a thread with more than 5 scammers on it as I'm sure many others can. Both lists will help next to nobody if anyone at all. Scammers come and go and most of them listed have seemingly already gone so I'm not sure why a couple of people are clamouring for it to be stickied. It seems to be of little to no value to me, but Nutildah is free to add to it or expand it if he wishes, just as long as it's in the right place.

@hilariousanco You are obviously incapable of acting independent of years-long grudges. This was true about you years ago. To be honest with you, nobody is capable of that. It's part of human nature so I forgive you.

Am I missing something here? What grudge is this exactly? You put a thread in the wrong section just like op did. Someone reported it and it got moved.

However, this type of situation highlights how stale and inefficient the current moderators are. And if theymos agrees with them, then him as well. It highlights the need for fresh blood and someone capable of examining issues from other angles, which hilarious obviously cannot do.

You mean you want more mods like yourself who will just make up their own rules and run the forum how they personally want?

Here I am clearly trying to perform a good deed for no other reason than not wanting to see people not get scammed. You move my thread at the behest of a scammer. I change my topic to "follow the rules" and IN YOUR DISCRETION you move it back.

I don't believe I was the first one to move it, but there were numerous reports from numerous people about that thread, because, you know, it doesn't belong there. Should I change the rules just to suit you? It seems like you want special treatment. Trying to be smart and childishly bending the rules is silly and would set a terrible precedent and it already did because the op also wanted special treatment because of this. Imagine if we let this slide. How many other idiots would also try bend the rules to include their petty gripes or whatnot in a board where it doesn't belong?

If you end up banning me over this, it will prove every assumption I made as true.

It really won't, unless of course I also have a grudge against the op. All it will probably prove is you think you're above the rules and should be given special treatment here.

I will continue moving the thread back where it belongs. If I am banned for that, it confirms I shouldn't be wasting a single nother second of my time here anyway.

Look, I'll give you the courtesy and tell you that staff members aren't going to continue playing cat and mouse with you and if you move it back again you'll get the same ban as the op did. You've done this many more times than him now and many other members have been banned in the past for repeatedly moving their threads back where they don't belong. I've given my reasons why the thread doesn't belong there above but something tells me for some reason you're looking for a ban so you can feel a martyr for something. I'd suggest you just move on. This really shouldn't be a big issue.

OP was banned for repeatedly moving his thread into the currency section when it doesn't belong there.

Who is "OP" in this? Is it lovira who created this thread or his main account? Or was ArcusIsidar reporting his own thread or something just to make a point against nutildah? I'm confused

Well I'm assuming they're the same.

[AB de Royse777]

I will continue moving the thread back where it belongs. If I am banned for that, it confirms I shouldn't be wasting a single nother second of my time here anyway.

Don't do it, bud! It's not worth the effort.

[suchmoon]

It kinda looks just like a list of users he doesn't like. In my opinion it doesn't seem substantial enough to be stickied. It's an arbitrary thread with a mere 5 usernames listed, most of which haven't logged in a while. No info or details, no nothing other than a list of random names calling them scammers. 2 of them don't even have flags on their account. I'm sure there's more than 5 scammers in the currency exchange. In fact, there's been hundreds if not thousands. Why is there only 5? What is the criteria to get listed on Nutildah's incredible list of scammers and is he going to keep it updated? Is he going to add to it? Is it going to be an exhaustive list of all bitcointalk fiends past and present or is it just going to be a list of a handful of random scammers/ones he's left feedback on? New threads should only be stickied if they're of high value and important and if I'm being honest that thread looks pretty lazy and largely useless to me regardless of who created it. Do you think we should sticky every thread that user's request or let everyone post their threads where they personally feel is best? I can create a thread with more than 5 scammers on it as I'm sure many others can. Both lists will help next to nobody if anyone at all. Scammers come and go and most of them listed have seemingly already gone so I'm not sure why a couple of people are clamouring for it to be stickied. It seems to be of little to no value to me, but Nutildah is free to add to it or expand it if he wishes, just as long as it's in the right place.

I didn't say it needs to be stickied. I asked why it's not fit to stay on that board if it's not substantially different from other warning threads on trading boards, including some that are stickied.

You're also wrong about there being no details - every username links to detailed posts that not only show why these users are scammers but also highlights all the red flags and warning signs users should look for.

I think if you're unable to judge whether a thread is substantial or valuable you should probably leave it as is. If that also means that Rambotnic's post stays up - so be it. Removing both and/or banning someone because of some misguided false equivalence does not seem right.

[Quickseller]

This thread is an example of certain people believing they are above the rules, can do whatever they want, and see above the rest of the community.

The thread in question hasn’t been updated in months (except for an attempt to exploit what certain people believed was a loophole). The purpose of the thread in question is not to protect forum members. The purpose is to upset forum members (aka troll).

[suchmoon]

This thread is an example of certain people believing they are above the rules, can do whatever they want, and see above the rest of the community.

Which rule did nutildah break?

The thread in question hasn’t been updated in months (except for an attempt to exploit what certain people believed was a loophole). The purpose of the thread in question is not to protect forum members. The purpose is to upset forum members (aka troll).

Bullshit. Hypertrolls posting all sorts of garbage for years on end never get banned, and good luck trying to remove an off-topic post if at least one word refers to the topic, yet a thread about currency exchange on the Currency Exchange board draws a ban. For a forum that supposedly promotes free speech and doesn't moderate scams, it's bizarre to see mods going to such great lengths to punish people speaking out against scams. Makes sense that you would cheer that.

[dkbit98]

It's kind a silly even thinking of banning Nutildah for moving some topic and I don't see that being written anywhere in the rules.
You should also know that some trolls have been repeatedly doxing him for a while so you can understand why he is not acting calm like Buddha all the time.
I am sure that Theymos wouldn't ban Nutildah and won't agree with hilariousandco opinion on this, especially when we know Nutildah's previous forum contribution.

[Coin_trader]

It's kind a silly even thinking of banning Nutildah for moving some topic and I don't see that being written anywhere in the rules.
You should also know that some trolls have been repeatedly doxing him for a while so you can understand why he is not acting calm like Buddha all the time.
I am sure that Theymos wouldn't ban Nutildah and won't agree with hilariousandco opinion on this, especially when we know Nutildah's previous forum contribution.

Agree on this. He is a valuable asset of the forum and we didn't want an another precious member leave the forum just like Lauda, TMAN and many more just because of making the forum clean from scammers and shitty user. Actually I salute all the user that giving effort just to provide a valuable contribution here despite of there real life profession or business just like you @dkbit98 btw.

I personally use forum casually and trying to do my best to share my personal experience and knowledge on coin trading since I'm busy on managing my own business. So I really envy you guys for giving the best effort that you can.


This privilege thing accusation in the forum is nonsense. Moderator, admin and all user here will akways be in favor to the user that doing the right thing no matter what is his rank.

[Quickseller]

This thread is an example of certain people believing they are above the rules, can do whatever they want, and see above the rest of the community.

Which rule did nutildah break?

The thread in question hasn’t been updated in months (except for an attempt to exploit what certain people believed was a loophole). The purpose of the thread in question is not to protect forum members. The purpose is to upset forum members (aka troll).

Bullshit. Hypertrolls posting all sorts of garbage for years on end never get banned, and good luck trying to remove an off-topic post if at least one word refers to the topic, yet a thread about currency exchange on the Currency Exchange board draws a ban. For a forum that supposedly promotes free speech and doesn't moderate scams, it's bizarre to see mods going to such great lengths to punish people speaking out against scams. Makes sense that you would cheer that.

I think you know very well that once a thread is moved by a moderator, it should not be moved back without first getting the mod (or someone above him) to agree. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in having moderators move threads.

nutildah was clearly warned by multiple people, including myself that his actions were going to lead to a ban. (Which it appears has happened). Specific action was taken many times against nutildah, each of which should have served as a warning to him. I can’t speak to any generic “hyper troll” however these people clearly did not have sufficient actions taken against them to get a ban. There is a difference between someone posting something that suchmoon doesn’t like and breaking the rules.

If nutildah had listened to my advice, he would not be banned now. I didn’t advocate for his ban, but I don’t feel bad that he is banned. He knew exactly what he needed to do to avoid a ban, and specifically took action counter to that.

nutildah is free to disagree that his thread is wrongly posted, and he can make arguments in favor of keeping his thread in currency exchange. However until and unless the moderation agrees, he should not move his thread into that section. 

[suchmoon]

I think you know very well that once a thread is moved by a moderator, it should not be moved back without first getting the mod (or someone above him) to agree. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in having moderators move threads.

I think you know very well that I was asking which rule did he break that the thread had to be moved to begin with.

nutildah was clearly warned by multiple people, including myself

Sockpuppets don't really count as multiple people.

[Quickseller]

I think you know very well that once a thread is moved by a moderator, it should not be moved back without first getting the mod (or someone above him) to agree. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any point in having moderators move threads.

I think you know very well that I was asking which rule did he break that the thread had to be moved to begin with.

nutildah was clearly warned by multiple people, including myself

Sockpuppets don't really count as multiple people.

In order for a thread to be posted in the section it was posted in, it needs to meet the following criteria:

Currency exchange (child board of Marketplace) -  Buying/selling bitcoins using other fiat currencies.

His thread very clearly did not meet this criteria. This is true despite his attempt to pretend to be trading bitcoin.

By my count, the following accounts have warned him about his actions, specifically that his actions could lead to a ban:
Quickseller
Royse777
hilariousandco

I am not going to comment on the above accusation, although I don’t see any basis in fact to the above, and I do look forward to you having someone else present evidence you find to come to the above conclusion.

[suchmoon]

In order for a thread to be posted in the section it was posted in, it needs to meet the following criteria:

Currency exchange (child board of Marketplace) -  Buying/selling bitcoins using other fiat currencies.

His thread very clearly did not meet this criteria. This is true despite his attempt to pretend to be trading bitcoin.

"other fiat currencies", like Bitcoin is a fiat currency?

Anyway, I'm sorry to say that Royse777 must be banned too.

Also ban this user who created a clearly fake announcement with a sole purpose of warning against altcoin scams.

Better yet ban all scammers immediately because they're obviously not "buying/selling bitcoins" but scamming.

Or we could just pretend that scammers are doing legitimate business and ban users saying otherwise.

[Quickseller]

In order for a thread to be posted in the section it was posted in, it needs to meet the following criteria:

Currency exchange (child board of Marketplace) -  Buying/selling bitcoins using other fiat currencies.

His thread very clearly did not meet this criteria. This is true despite his attempt to pretend to be trading bitcoin.

"other fiat currencies", like Bitcoin is a fiat currency?

Anyway, I'm sorry to say that Royse777 must be banned too.

Also ban this user who created a clearly fake announcement with a sole purpose of warning against altcoin scams.

Better yet ban all scammers immediately because they're obviously not "buying/selling bitcoins" but scamming.

Or we could just pretend that scammers are doing legitimate business and ban users saying otherwise.

You are grasping at straws. The issue is not that he posted a thread in the wrong sub. The issue is that he repeatedly moved his thread back into the wrong sub after his thread was properly moved out of currency exchange. He had zero intention of actually trading any bitcoin.

There are reasons why the cited threads are not moved out of the bitcoin subs and these reasons are well established. The fact that someone wants to upset people is not a reason to have a thread in currency exchange. Nor is the fact that suchmoon wants to have a thread there that she knows doesn’t belong there.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

No. The interesting part is they haven't denied it either.

Interesting.

You are not going to find any.

Are you speaking on behalf of PN7 too?

Bad already happened and nutildah is banned. Bravo mods. You allow shit posters, scammers to roam around but you become too hard when someone who is spending their years improving the environment of the forum. You guys are F**ked up!

nutildah F**ked himself too. There were no reason for him to take it too seriously and over reacting in it. You should have been let it go. After all there is a clause in the rules

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Looking forward to your comeback brother.

[suchmoon]

You are grasping at straws. The issue is not that he posted a thread in the wrong sub. The issue is that he repeatedly moved his thread back into the wrong sub after his thread was properly moved out of currency exchange. He had zero intention of actually trading any bitcoin.

Except there is nothing in the rules requiring that you have to actually conduct a trade (nor would it be enforceable) but don't let that stop you from stating it as a fact.

Scammers pretend to be trading and scam people, proven by scam accusations, negative trust, flags, etc. Those threads stay because reasons (allegedly potential mod bias).

A non-scammer may or may not pretend to be trading, posts warnings against scams, that thread get moved because suddenly mods grow an inexplicable immunity to bias and can certainly definitely decide that the person had no intention of actually trading.

What could possibly go wrong here

[LoyceV]

Somehow the tiniest things on Bitcointalk can be blown up to the point where it leads to bans. I get it from the Mods' perspective, and I get it from nutildah's perspective. But none of this should have been made so big, it's just not worth it.

Wouldn't it be better if the board would be "locked" when a topic gets moved by a Mod, so a user can't move it back?

[dkbit98]

This is totally fucked up shit, banning DT forum member who contributed a lot during all this years, he could be pissed even more with this, and we could potentially lose him forever because of this decision made by one moderator.

I understand nutildah was being stubborn but he doesn't deserve to be temp-banned, and I think that most DT members would agree with me on this (we can even vote on this subject).

Bring back nutildah, and let's hear what theymos has to say about this case.

Wouldn't it be better if the board would be "locked" when a topic gets moved by a Mod, so a user can't move it back?

It's easy for anyone to create new topic with same content, and mods are not immaculate creatures.
I can also put same topic in multiple threads depending on different point of view and interpretations.

[DireWolfM14]

I only just learned out this drama due to being mentioned in another thread about nutildah being banned.  How on god's green earth did this escalate to a ban?  I think there are many ways this could have been handled by both sides that could have prevented a ban.

@nutildah; please consider another option.  For example; a short yet pointed warning about the many scammers one is likely to encounter in the currency exchange board.  Something more general, with a link to the thread in question (which is presumably in the reputation board.)  A thread like that just might get stickied, and serve the same purpose.

@hilariousandco and other mods; please reconsider the ban.  I'm sure it's a temp ban, but nonetheless that's an extreme measure to take considering the good intentions and nutildah's contributions in general.  I know it's not your job to coach member on how to avoid violating the rules (unofficial or otherwise,) but this does seem like an extraordinary circumstance.