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November 18, 2021, 02:40:52 PM
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They can freeze your coins and accounts, and I even hear that CZ binance is now calling for more strict global crypto regulations, and no wonder when we is hanging out with his ex boss Bloomberg.
Solution for this is to use Bitcoin directly with merchants for any purchases, or use decentralized exchanges like Bisq or P2P for trading.

Binance is calling for more strict regulation so that they can crush the little exchanges that will not be able to compete because of said regulation.

They enjoyed rapid growth through the lack of regulation they had as a young exchange.

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November 18, 2021, 03:29:48 PM
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It's going to be very interesting soon when Taproot achieves wider adoption Wink
Does taproot really help here, though? If an exchange is looking to see if someone deposited or withdrew coins which were sent to/from mixers, coinjoins, casinos, sportsbooks, DEXs, blacklisted addresses, some markets, or any of the other completely arbitrary places they decide users should not be allowed to send their own money, then they can still do this with taproot addresses. If every single transaction started utilizing P2TR outputs, then sure, it would muddy the waters for some blockchain heuristics, but not for simply sending coins to/from so called "tainted" addresses.

Binance is calling for more strict regulation so that he can crush the little exchanges that will not be able to compete because of said regulation.
Of course this is the reason. Anyone who thinks Binance cares about its users, bitcoin development, or anything other than their own profits is terribly naive.
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November 19, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
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Sure, it is trivial to identify an output as coming from ChipMixer since their chip funding transactions are so distinctive. Their privacy model does not depend on this, though. All an adversary can say is that the output came from ChipMixer - they cannot link the output to a specific deposit to ChipMixer. This is similar to the privacy provided by coinjoin transactions, where an adversary can identify a coinjoin transaction, but cannot link a specific output to a specific input.

When I spend my bitcoin, I have no issues with the merchant seeing that I sent them coins directly from ChipMixer. All they know is that I used ChipMixer. They have no idea where my coins originally came from, who else I am paying, how much I am holding, my wallet addresses, and so on.

This is a very good point. Identifying a chipmixer output is certainly possible.

The problem is linking that output to a distinct deposit that was made using their service. Chipmixer also supplies various tools to change the outputs that would be released adding a layer of obfuscation. This does help with privacy but is in no way 100% anon.

It seems that mixing services are more centered around keeping your balance and transactions anonymous. Yet some use it as a way to launder money.

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November 20, 2021, 07:26:45 AM
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The problem is linking that output to a distinct deposit that was made using their service. Chipmixer also supplies various tools to change the outputs that would be released adding a layer of obfuscation. This does help with privacy but is in no way 100% anon.
Pretty much nothing online is ever 100% anonymous, but (as far as I am aware) there has never been a successful method of linking ChipMixer deposits and withdrawals without the user messing up and revealing information externally, i.e. using mixed and unmixed coins together in the same transaction. Splitting deposits in to different chip sizes for withdrawal certainly boosts your privacy as you have said, but so too does withdrawing different chips at different times, combining older deposits with newer ones, and ChipMixer's unique structure which lets you withdraw chips which were funded long before your deposit transaction.

It seems that mixing services are more centered around keeping your balance and transactions anonymous. Yet some use it as a way to launder money.
Sure. There is no denying that some people use mixers for illicit purposes.* But a minority of people also use the internet for illicit purposes. Or encryption. Or Tor. Or cash. Or cars. Or pretty much any piece of technology ever developed. That does not mean that any of these things are morally wrong or should be banned.

*These people are very much in the minority, with studies suggesting less than 8% of all mixer traffic is linked to illicit activities. The majority of people using mixers just want to protect their privacy.
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