Bitcoin Forum
November 15, 2024, 10:58:36 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 28.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Is the Stacks Network a Sidechain or?  (Read 149 times)
titular (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 288
Merit: 372


"Stop using proprietary software."


View Profile
November 10, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
 #1

So Liquid and RSK are both sidechains to Bitcoin.

Is the Stacks Network considered to be a sidechain to bitcoin? I can't find them using the term sidechain on their webpage nor anywhere else.

I am trying to find the proper term to describe Stacks to my colleagues.

▄▄███████████████████▄▄
▄██████████████████████▄
███████████▀▌▄▀██████████
███████▄▄███████▄▄███████
██████▄███▀▀██▀██████████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
██████████▄███▄███▀██████
████████████████▀▀███████
███████████▀▀▀███████████
█████████████████████████
▀█████▀▀████████████████▀
▀▀███████████████████▀▀
Peach
BTC bitcoin
Buy and Sell
Bitcoin P2P
.
.
▄▄███████▄▄
▄████████
██████▄
▄██
█████████████████▄
▄███████
██████████████▄
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
▀███████████████████████▀
▀█████████████████████▀
▀██████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
▀▀███████▀▀

▀▀▀▀███▀▀▀▀
Available in
EUROPE | AFRICA
LATIN AMERICA
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


███████▄█
███████▀
██▄▄▄▄▄░▄▄▄▄▄
████████████▀
▐███████████▌
▐███████████▌
████████████▄
██████████████
███▀███▀▀███▀
.
Download on the
App Store
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


▄██▄
██████▄
█████████▄
████████████▄
███████████████
████████████▀
█████████▀
██████▀
▀██▀
.
GET IT ON
Google Play
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
DooMAD
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3948
Merit: 3191


Leave no FUD unchallenged


View Profile
November 10, 2021, 05:54:17 PM
Merited by pooya87 (2), Welsh (2)
 #2

So Liquid and RSK are both sidechains to Bitcoin.

Is the Stacks Network considered to be a sidechain to bitcoin? I can't find them using the term sidechain on their webpage nor anywhere else.

I am trying to find the proper term to describe Stacks to my colleagues.

I could be wrong because I've never heard of it until just now, but it sounds like an altcoin that leverages Bitcoin's blockchain to enhance its own security.  Other coins have done it before.  Veriblock comes to mind.

▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
▄█████████████████▄▄
▄██
█████████▀██▀████████
████████▀
░░░░▀░░██████████
███████████▌░░▄▄▄░░░▀████████
███████
█████░░░███▌░░░█████████
███
████████░░░░░░░░░░▄█████████
█████████▀░░░▄████░░░░█████████
███
████▄▄░░░░▀▀▀░░░░▄████████
█████
███▌▄█░░▄▄▄▄█████████
▀████
██████▄██
██████████▀
▀▀█████████████████▀▀
▀▀▀███████▀▀
.
.BitcoinCleanUp.com.


















































.
.     Debunking Bitcoin's Energy Use     .
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████▀█████████▀▀▀▀█▀████████
███████▌░▀▀████▀░░░░░░░▄███████
███████▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐████████
████████▄░░░░░░░░░░░░░█████████
████████▄░░░░░░░░░░░▄██████████
███████▀▀▀░░░░░░░▄▄████████████
█████████▄▄▄▄▄▄████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
...#EndTheFUD...
titular (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 288
Merit: 372


"Stop using proprietary software."


View Profile
November 10, 2021, 07:14:21 PM
 #3


I could be wrong because I've never heard of it until just now, but it sounds like an altcoin that leverages Bitcoin's blockchain to enhance its own security.  Other coins have done it before.  Veriblock comes to mind.

Don't we want projects like these? Projects that bring more demand to the underlying asset? (Bitcoin)

I feel like we should love seeing these. Educate me if not.

▄▄███████████████████▄▄
▄██████████████████████▄
███████████▀▌▄▀██████████
███████▄▄███████▄▄███████
██████▄███▀▀██▀██████████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
██████████▄███▄███▀██████
████████████████▀▀███████
███████████▀▀▀███████████
█████████████████████████
▀█████▀▀████████████████▀
▀▀███████████████████▀▀
Peach
BTC bitcoin
Buy and Sell
Bitcoin P2P
.
.
▄▄███████▄▄
▄████████
██████▄
▄██
█████████████████▄
▄███████
██████████████▄
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
▀███████████████████████▀
▀█████████████████████▀
▀██████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
▀▀███████▀▀

▀▀▀▀███▀▀▀▀
Available in
EUROPE | AFRICA
LATIN AMERICA
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


███████▄█
███████▀
██▄▄▄▄▄░▄▄▄▄▄
████████████▀
▐███████████▌
▐███████████▌
████████████▄
██████████████
███▀███▀▀███▀
.
Download on the
App Store
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


▄██▄
██████▄
█████████▄
████████████▄
███████████████
████████████▀
█████████▀
██████▀
▀██▀
.
GET IT ON
Google Play
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
Shymaa-Arafat
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 228
Merit: 156


View Profile
November 10, 2021, 08:12:46 PM
Merited by titular (1)
 #4

I just fastly read those 2 links
https://www.stacks.co/what-is-stacks#
https://news.bitcoin.com/stackswap-raises-1-3-million-in-funding-round-to-build-dex-on-bitcoin-network/

From which I grabbed
 
Quote
Stacks 2.0 is powered by PoX. PoX is a consensus algorithm involving two separate blockchains. It uses an already well-established blockchain (in this case Bitcoin) to secure a new blockchain (Stacks).

Its written that its main purpose is to provide functionalities like smart contracts, Proof of Stake,  and also DEX to Bitcoin

I know that HTLC provide smart contracts to Bitcoin, but I'm not sure about the rest
Whether it is considered side chain or should be classified as something like Catena non-standard transactions that attach another data or Merkle or whatever to the Bitcoin Blockchain through signatures or OP_Return or ...
.
This is just a fast glance, never heard about "Stacks"
 network before.
FinneysTrueVision
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 444


Catalog Websites


View Profile WWW
November 10, 2021, 09:37:57 PM
 #5

It does sound like it is something similar to a sidechain but it's developers don't refer to it that way. They might call it a layer 2 protocol but the definition of this is kind of vague and the term is used to describe everything from CounterParty, Omni Layer, Lighting Network and several other completely distinct protocols.

█▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
███████▄▄████▄▄░
████▄████▀▀▀▀█░███▄
██▄███▀████████▀████▄
█░▄███████████████████▄
█░█████████████████████
█░█████████████████████
█░█████████████████████
█░▀███████████████▄▄▀▀
██▀███▄████████▄███▀
████▀████▄▄▄▄████▀
███████▀▀████▀▀
█▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
BitList
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀█











▄▄▄▄█
█▀▀▀▀











█▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
.
REAL-TIME DATA TRACKING
CURATED BY THE COMMUNITY

.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀█











▄▄▄▄█
█▀▀▀▀











█▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
List #kycfree Websites
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀█











▄▄▄▄█
DooMAD
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3948
Merit: 3191


Leave no FUD unchallenged


View Profile
November 10, 2021, 10:38:43 PM
 #6

Don't we want projects like these? Projects that bring more demand to the underlying asset? (Bitcoin)

I feel like we should love seeing these. Educate me if not.

That would be entirely subjective, I'm afraid.  Everyone will probably do their own personal version of a cost/benefit analysis.  Some people may approve of it because they can realise a benefit from it, while others may see it as a leech on precious resources.  I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" stance there.  Only differing opinions.

▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
▄█████████████████▄▄
▄██
█████████▀██▀████████
████████▀
░░░░▀░░██████████
███████████▌░░▄▄▄░░░▀████████
███████
█████░░░███▌░░░█████████
███
████████░░░░░░░░░░▄█████████
█████████▀░░░▄████░░░░█████████
███
████▄▄░░░░▀▀▀░░░░▄████████
█████
███▌▄█░░▄▄▄▄█████████
▀████
██████▄██
██████████▀
▀▀█████████████████▀▀
▀▀▀███████▀▀
.
.BitcoinCleanUp.com.


















































.
.     Debunking Bitcoin's Energy Use     .
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████▀█████████▀▀▀▀█▀████████
███████▌░▀▀████▀░░░░░░░▄███████
███████▀░░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐████████
████████▄░░░░░░░░░░░░░█████████
████████▄░░░░░░░░░░░▄██████████
███████▀▀▀░░░░░░░▄▄████████████
█████████▄▄▄▄▄▄████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
...#EndTheFUD...
pooya87
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3640
Merit: 11033


Crypto Swap Exchange


View Profile
November 11, 2021, 04:04:31 AM
 #7

That would be entirely subjective, I'm afraid.  Everyone will probably do their own personal version of a cost/benefit analysis.  Some people may approve of it because they can realise a benefit from it, while others may see it as a leech on precious resources.  I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" stance there.  Only differing opinions.
In almost all cases it is not that hard to decide. It all comes down to what utility they provide in real world. If it is some useless short lived hype then obviously it is a waste of resources, for example Veriblock that you mentioned is an obvious case of a waste when they provide no utility and have also been spamming bitcoin blockchain.

also DEX
DEX does not need a blockchain, in fact it makes no sense to store all your trades that you are performing peer to peer (for maximum privacy) in a database somewhere called a "blockchain"!

█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
e
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
█████████████
████████████▄███
██▐███████▄█████▀
█████████▄████▀
███▐████▄███▀
████▐██████▀
█████▀█████
███████████▄
████████████▄
██▄█████▀█████▄
▄█████████▀█████▀
███████████▀██▀
████▀█████████
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
c.h.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
▄██████▄▄▄
█████████████▄▄
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███░░█████████
███▌▐█████████
█████████████
███████████▀
██████████▀
████████▀
▀██▀▀
ABCbits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3066
Merit: 8089


Crypto Swap Exchange


View Profile
November 11, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Merited by Welsh (3), pooya87 (2)
 #8

I can't access the documentation subdomain (https://docs.stacks.co) and the main website/white paper is quite vague, but at very least i won't use term sidechain/2nd layer/off-chain to describe how Stacks utilize Bitcoin since they have their own coin. Additionally, Stacks use Bitcoin mainly for these purpose.

Bitcoin is used as a settlement protocol by Stacks. It serves as the source of ultimate truth and
archives hashes of Stacks block history.

STX miners can view state on both the Bitcoin blockchain and the Stacks blockchain. STX
miners participate in leader election by sending transactions on the Bitcoin blockchain, a
Verifiable Random Function (VRF) randomly selects leader of each round (while giving more
weight to higher BTC bids), and the leader writes the new block on the Stacks chain.

█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
e
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
█████████████
████████████▄███
██▐███████▄█████▀
█████████▄████▀
███▐████▄███▀
████▐██████▀
█████▀█████
███████████▄
████████████▄
██▄█████▀█████▄
▄█████████▀█████▀
███████████▀██▀
████▀█████████
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
c.h.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
▄██████▄▄▄
█████████████▄▄
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███░░█████████
███▌▐█████████
█████████████
███████████▀
██████████▀
████████▀
▀██▀▀
titular (OP)
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 288
Merit: 372


"Stop using proprietary software."


View Profile
November 11, 2021, 03:23:36 PM
 #9

I actually found out that networks such as Stacks are actually considered to be "anchored chains".

Veriblock is under the same kind of category.

▄▄███████████████████▄▄
▄██████████████████████▄
███████████▀▌▄▀██████████
███████▄▄███████▄▄███████
██████▄███▀▀██▀██████████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
█████████▌█████████▌█████
██████████▄███▄███▀██████
████████████████▀▀███████
███████████▀▀▀███████████
█████████████████████████
▀█████▀▀████████████████▀
▀▀███████████████████▀▀
Peach
BTC bitcoin
Buy and Sell
Bitcoin P2P
.
.
▄▄███████▄▄
▄████████
██████▄
▄██
█████████████████▄
▄███████
██████████████▄
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
▀███████████████████████▀
▀█████████████████████▀
▀██████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
▀▀███████▀▀

▀▀▀▀███▀▀▀▀
Available in
EUROPE | AFRICA
LATIN AMERICA
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


███████▄█
███████▀
██▄▄▄▄▄░▄▄▄▄▄
████████████▀
▐███████████▌
▐███████████▌
████████████▄
██████████████
███▀███▀▀███▀
.
Download on the
App Store
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
▄▀▀▀











▀▄▄▄


▄██▄
██████▄
█████████▄
████████████▄
███████████████
████████████▀
█████████▀
██████▀
▀██▀
.
GET IT ON
Google Play
▀▀▀▄











▄▄▄▀
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!