Red Tag is becoming Rampant in the Forum.

[icopress]

I am sure there are rules that campaign managers follow to prevent that from happening. But even if there weren't, I am sure such a participant would be asked to adjust his sig and get rid of the warning. If someone is willing to advertise a scam site, it seems paradoxical to have a piece of info that says "be careful when playing on this casino because they might scam you".

Well, I meant individual contracts ... and apparently there are enough participants on the forum whose names do not appear in any spreadsheet, nevertheless, these guys wear signatures with advertisements from different bookmakers (I suspect this is not a gesture of goodwill). As for the regular campaign, you are right, the participant who added the disclaimer will be removed from the campaign, (but as I said, there have already been such precedents at the forum).

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[Pmalek]

and apparently there are enough participants on the forum whose names do not appear in any spreadsheet, nevertheless, these guys wear signatures with advertisements from different bookmakers (I suspect this is not a gesture of goodwill).

It is quite possible that some people have individual agreements with certain companies or casinos like you said. Maybe they are friends with the developers, maybe the sites throw some work their way and this is a way to return the favor and say thanks. Or maybe they just gambled there, got lucky, and they now want to advertise them a little. If I remember correctly, Lauda used to wear a FortuneJack signature for a long tome even though she/he was not a part of the campaign at one point. At least officially. There are surely other examples, I just can't think of any. 

[GeorgeJohn]

I hardly quote them or reply their quotes and they were somewhat few then.

buddy you are not meant to skip people that have negative trust, the only communication you have with someone that have two hundred (200) positive  trust and someone that has one thousand (1000) negative trust is the same thing here, the only difference between them is that you won't trust negative trust person in terms of business transaction, but only bond merge both of you is interaction to the community.

But recently, you cannot go through a page without seeing atleast 7 users with -ve tag, especially in gambling section.
These users are wearing signatures, doing other things normally in the forum as if the -ve tag doesn't really matter.

many user users have negative trust currently, the measure were seeing them before in gambling never be the same because some campaign that accept negative trust is like they want their most post to come from gambling section or board, negative tag matters alot it's when the campaign they are into end up and they will find it very strange to be selected in another campaign because of their reputation.

I think something should be done to remedy this situation;

i think that nothing will be done remedy it, because you can't isolate a negative trust person in the community and is not cultured, because for negative trust should be enshrined here, is directly meant for people that is scam or you have done transaction with and it went unsuccessful, who cheating is the blood can't fail to commit evil.

By a way of checking if some of these users were tagged without genuine reasons.

actually if you received a tagged from someone without proper reason and you know that you are not guilty of crime you have to state it out for community to look into it and deliberates about it, because according to @loyceV tutorial thread of trust system, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.msg52715278#msg52715278
it was stipulated that to give a tag to someone can't come as a result you have issues or misunderstanding with the users. So i think they are reasons while and genuine points while flags is been given.

[Mpamaegbu]

I used to avoid anyone with -ve trust, I hardly quote them or reply their quotes and they were somewhat few then.

You just have to bear in mind that sometimes those tags are unnecessarily given by some rogue or insane members for no just cause. I believe that's why CM will state that "If you receive legitimate negative feedback during..." because a lot of them know that some tags are not legitimate. Avoiding people with tags on the forum is prejudice by my judgment.

I think something should be done to remedy this situation;
By a way of checking if some of these users were tagged without genuine reasons.
Or maybe as a result of increase in scam companies advertising their projects.
Whatever way, if not redressed could be damaging to the forum.

Certainly, some kind of control measures are in place for this. I have read discussions of some DT members challenging other DT members on unnecessary tags and in most cases those tags had been reviewed. If not for that, most DT members would easily tag anyone who disagrees with their point of views. There are people who love power and won't hesitate to use it on others unjustly.

[LoyceV]

If not for that, most DT members would easily tag anyone who disagrees with their point of views.

Theymos addressed that already:

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

There are people who love power and won't hesitate to use it on others unjustly.

Tagging people for their opinion doesn't give you power, it makes you a Trust abuser. Not caring about their opinion means they have no power over you. Can you imagine many people choose to let some anonymous person somewhere on the internet make them feel bad?

[GeorgeJohn]

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Certainly, some kind of control measures are in place for this. I have read discussions of some DT members challenging other DT members on unnecessary tags and in most cases those tags had been reviewed. If not for that, most DT members would easily tag anyone who disagrees with their point of views. There are people who love power and won't hesitate to use it on others unjustly.

Some DT members are working accordingly via tagging people that violates the protocol but some of them don't peruse into matter very well before tagging someone, it seems that people is now giving negative trust because of hatred not because of the judgement, actually i can see that people like power and some is not utilizing power, using it suppressed other.. after reading loyceV thread i was astonished, even opposing someone's point of view now is at stake.

[icopress]

Some DT members are working accordingly via tagging people that violates the protocol but some of them don't peruse into matter very well before tagging someone, it seems that people is now giving negative trust because of hatred not because of the judgement, actually i can see that people like power and some is not utilizing power, using it suppressed other.. after reading loyceV thread i was astonished, even opposing someone's point of view now is at stake.

With the departure of some cult persons, more and more so-called forum policemen appear on the forum who, in one way or another, try to take their place. There are those who really pursue noble goals, but there are also those who are doing the supposedly right things actually trying to assert themselves and from the side it looks really disgusting. 

As for me, the ideal trust system is when everyone pursues their own personal goals, leaving tags when it concerns you personally (or creating threads with an appeal when you are right but the power of your word is not enough). LoyceV is a great example of how to respond to sensitive and sensitive questions, but even he is not perfect because he has a habit of being late, so when the opposition to someone's point of view is at stake, you better rely only on yourself.

[Awaklara]

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With the departure of some cult persons, more and more so-called forum policemen appear on the forum who, in one way or another, try to take their place. There are those who really pursue noble goals, but there are also those who are doing the supposedly right things actually trying to assert themselves and from the side it looks really disgusting. 

Hi @icopress, I apologize in advance and I also don't mean to challenge you or anyone. this is just based on my personal curiosity, which led me to quote your post. So, I'm a little offended by some of the forum policeman sentences - of course the sentence is not far from the Detective Forum and the Detective Forum sentence is very clear I remember when someone said that sentence right on the day of celebration (full member) came to me. In my personal opinion, what you say can lead to activities that I have been doing so far and maybe also lead to other people. Exactly only you know and if you don't mind can you name the person? 

I realized that there are a lot of people who don't like me not only in forums but also in telegram messages and maybe this is an opportunity for me to express my opinion. I respect you and I also don't take this as a personal matter with you - but more to the public so that I can introspect myself on the actions that I have done so far, before ending this activity and living a normal life in the forum. and for the trust system in my account, soon I will message them to delete it. Also, what about the accounts I've tagged so far? any suggestion?

[LoyceV]

I'm a little offended

That's okay

what about the accounts I've tagged so far? any suggestion?

You've tagged 171 accounts in the past 4 months, and 143 of those just this month. Most of them for cheating some bounty based on an Eth address they used. I checked a few, and they're all Newbies. I'd say this isn't worth it: they get paid made-up tokens from spamming bounty campaigns, they have nothing to lose, and they can just as well create many more Newbie accounts to continue.
What's the point? All this does is reduce the value of a negative tag by spreading it everywhere.

I apologize in advance and I also don't mean to challenge you or anyone

I'm offended by this! Why would you apologize for exercising your freedom of speech? It's not freedom if it gives you the feeling you can't use it without disclaimer.

[lovesmayfamilis]

With the departure of some cult persons, more and more so-called forum policemen appear on the forum who, in one way or another, try to take their place. There are those who really pursue noble goals, but there are also those who are doing the supposedly right things actually trying to assert themselves and from the side it looks really disgusting.  

Somewhat roughly said: "the so-called policemen"
OH, weren't you previously also a "so-called policeman"?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122895.msg50246232#msg50246232

Yes, of course, you probably consider yourself, like this, a cult?
I have already told you more than once that you are too sycophant to some "cult" personalities, isn't that so? This is striking.
I agree that hunting for cheaters is a waste of time. Cheaters rise from the ashes. But this should not sound from someone who was directly involved in the fishing and also marked the cheaters with negative tags.

These new cops, as you say, at least are not doing anything wrong. How many cheaters have @bitbollo, @Awaklara, @YOSHIE caught? I don't think you should call it personal goals. If we talk about time, then this is only their time, not yours. And if you have direct evidence that these people are pursuing some selfish goals, tell us. Why speak in the third person?
There is an expression that people are divided into two types: my person and a stranger. Once again, you prove that you are a stranger.
And yes, your idols are gone, get used to the young trend.

[Awaklara]

I'm offended by this! Why would you apologize for exercising your freedom of speech? It's not freedom if it gives you the feeling you can't use it without disclaimer.

Basically I respect everyone.
I mean: the word "sorry" as my ''humble'' form when I want to convey a message and related to what @icopress said seems to clearly refer to me or maybe this is just my bad prejudice. but personally I prefer if he speak frankly, so that there are no misunderstandings. especially for new members or old members such as so-called "policeman"

[BITCOIN4X]

Sorry everyone, I don't know why the last few post of this thread seem to have a bit of a debate between you guys. But I hope it won't develop in the opposite direction because I basically believe A and B have one good goal.

Awaklara, don't be offended and I hope you don't think too much about criticism that doesn't go your way. If you are sure about what you are doing is right, then you just need to go ahead and thicken your skin. I don't see anything wrong with your activity catching cheaters, but maybe I agree a little bit about the amount of time wasted on effectiveness disproportionate. Nowadays newbie can't be stopped from cheating bounties, they can create more account even when someone catches them in large numbers.

In my opinion, only the bounty manager can prevent many cheaters from joining the bounty and one of them is by only accepting member rank account and above in every program that is run. But if you are okay about it, then move on.

[icopress]

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You can say whatever you want to me, and that's okay since the internet is a merciless place. By the way, I knew that you liked me ... sorry, but we cannot be together because your excessive impulsiveness is a sure sign that you are not yet 30. In addition to the above, speaking about "forum cops", I did not even mean those who are engaged in such investigations even out of context, since you yourself said that it is mostly a waste of time.

And finally, I want to say that No, I have not been and have never considered myself as such. Moreover, I have probably never dealt with such an investigation, if the case did not concern me personally or the specifics of my work in the past (because I know where to spend my time more profitably). 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There are people who love power and won't hesitate to use it on others unjustly.

Yep, that's true in real life and it's certainly true on this forum.  You can tell when someone is enjoying his/her power when they act like assholes when exercising it.  I've acted like that a number of times with respect to shitposters, which I used to tag prior to the merit system, but that was just my irritation coming to the surface and not me being a power-hungry DT sadist.  There have been a number of those in the past, though I won't name names.

You've tagged 171 accounts in the past 4 months, and 143 of those just this month. Most of them for cheating some bounty based on an Eth address they used. I checked a few, and they're all Newbies. I'd say this isn't worth it: <snip>

I tend to agree with you that low-ranked accounts with no merits and a very recent registration date probably shouldn't be tagged simply because it's a waste of time.  On the other hand, if they didn't get tagged they might just keep getting used in perpetuity and in the process they might rank up.  So there's an argument for tagging those noob cheaters, though I don't know if I'd keep bothering with them.

Over the past couple of years I've seen a few new members arrive and start to make a name for themselves by being one of those "forum cops".  If I'm not mistaken, at least one of them turned out to be a cheater himself (but dammit, I forgot his username).  Anyway, that's one of the ways a new member can establish a reputation--whether it's intentional or not, it really doesn't matter as long as they're not looking to become trusted in order to pull off a scam of their own. 

Wanting to be recognized is part of being human, and if someone wants to achieve that by sniffing out bounty cheaters or scammers or whatever, I have no problem with that.

[LoyceV]

a power-hungry DT sadist.

That's ironic: being Switzerland leads to many more DT-inclusions.

[Awaklara]

I quote again (self-introspection) after hearing explanations from several users who have provided new insights for me personally and this situation shows that Searching Newbie Accounts is just a waste of my time. I will also say honestly, that basically there is no element or anything related to power. it's okay because I prefer to be open 

Also, I will end this sadistic activity. I even already asked some people to delete the trust list on my account. There is nothing wrong if somenone wants to change his attitude, start a normal life, learn from mistakes, respect each other. that's all I can say openly. Thanks you,Greetings of peace 

[KingsDen]

This thread was lately hijacked for discussion of cultists, saddists, policemen and so.
I was keenly following up to see a beautiful ending. But I was surprised it didn't end as I intended.

@Awaklara you said you want to stop hunting cheaters.
But if you can continue your hunt, but at this time give much attention to member ranks upwards, according to some suggestions here it's better.
Personally, I have no problems with you catching newbies, because a cheating newbie today will become a cheating Jr member tomorrow. A cheating Jr member tomorrow will definitely become a cheating member the next day and so on.

About your change of mind.

There is nothing wrong if somenone wants to change his attitude, start a normal life, learn from mistakes, respect each other. that's all I can say openly. Thanks you,Greetings of peace 

Absolutely there's nothing wrong. Anyone can change decisions at anytime, especially in this forum. There is still room for re-decision.
Even myself I made some decisions at a time and I undergone a critical rethink and overided my decisions.
I am still waiting patiently for @The Pharmacist to change his decisions towards me
24hrs to lock thread.

[_BlackStar]

Also, I will end this sadistic activity. I even already asked some people to delete the trust list on my account. There is nothing wrong if somenone wants to change his attitude, start a normal life, learn from mistakes, respect each other. that's all I can say openly. Thanks you,Greetings of peace 

You don't have to do it because they trust your judgment not because you have sadistic activity. You're a good cheat hunter finding evidence of abuse, so why don't you use it to help out any manager who manages the bounty. At least you can be specially assigned to help them find cheaters in their campaign and you can also get paid.

Let me tell you an example:
[Always open] Bounty Police | Say no to bounty cheaters and get paid!

Other support:

Maybe you could start a new service, checking all potential participants in signature/bounty campaigns looking for alt accounts?

[Danydee]

Negative tag should just be a warning, the reason that caused the tag can be checked, some are useless, but many are not, like the 1xbit campaign participants and people involved in malacious post contents that can result to scam. In my opinion, I do not think there is anything bad with it, that was why negative tag was created.

What about Mycelium Wallet, also advertising 1xbit   

[Charles-Tim]

What about Mycelium Wallet, also advertising 1xbit   

Not only on mycelium wallet, I have even seen it on blockchair.com. Just that the betting site did not have good reputation on this forum, the reason those advertising them are tagged for others to be warned of the risk involved if making use of the betting site.