Ledger Firmware Update?

[jerry0]

So the last ledger firmware update was all the way back in May of this year.  Thus that is when I did the last nano ledger s firmware update.  Does anyone know when would be most likely the next update?

[Rath_]

Does anyone know when would be most likely the next update?

Probably no one except some Ledger employees. You can contact their support but you will very likely get a reply like "when it's ready". Why would you need to know that anyway?

[RickDeckard]

OP please stop asking something whenever Ledger decides to push something to it's device / decides to do anything. You've made a very similar thread before[1] and Pmalek even foreshadowed what your future behavior could be like[2]. I don't have anything against users being interested, captivated and with the will to learn about crypto (or anything in general) but before asking something you really should try your best to judge the question and see if it's appropriate or even if it's something that we can help you with. For example, if you've checked here[3] you'll see that you aren't able to pinpoint exactly when the firmware is going to be release since it doesn't appear to have any kind of pattern on it.

Besides, like Rath_ said, I can't possibly see any reason as to why this information would be of use to you. Perhaps to use the information as a way to "check" the legitimacy of an update? Even if they released the updates on time you shouldn't use that criteria to judge if it's a trusted release or not since nothing guarantees you that on that specific date that the website wasn't hacked and tampered with ...
[1]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368393.msg58307390#msg58307390
[2]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368393.msg58307728#msg58307728
[3]https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010446000-Ledger-Nano-S-firmware-release-notes

[HCP]

Does anyone know when would be most likely the next update?

Why is this important? Are you trying to plan something around when Ledger are likely to issue a new firmware?

It could be tomorrow (if someone has discovered a severe flaw that needs immediate patching), it could be next week, next month or never...

[Pmalek]

Why is this important? Are you trying to plan something around when Ledger are likely to issue a new firmware?

Because it's November and another round of Jerry asks questions. He has now asked similar questions about updating the firmware and the crypto apps on his hardware wallet. He isn't going to do either of the two because of *insert reason*. When a new firmware update gets released, he is going to ask whether or not it's recommended to perform the upgrade and what can happen if you don't.

[HCP]

So the last ledger firmware update was all the way back in May of this year.  Thus that is when I did the last nano ledger s firmware update.  Does anyone know when would be most likely the next update?

Well... looks like the answer was November 30th, 2021

They've put out an update to support Taproot amongst other things:
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010446000-Ledger-Nano-S-firmware-release-notes?docs=true


Update was simple enough... saw the "New Firmware" banner in Ledger Live, clicked update now... followed the prompts... it even has the "re-install apps" feature at the end of the process that will put all the apps you had installed back on the device for you.

The entire process took less than 5 minutes.

[Pmalek]

Well... looks like the answer was November 30th, 2021

Oh no. That can only mean that more drama is coming to the Hardware wallet sub in this thread and several new ones that will be created.
I used Ledger Live yesterday to receive some coins but the update was not suggested to me yet. They are probably rolling it out in stages like in the past.

... it even has the "re-install apps" feature at the end of the process that will put all the apps you had installed back on the device for you.

That reinstall feature was there during the previous firmware upgrade as well. I remember that my device installed the apps automatically after the update was completed.

What can you tell us about its size? With new features such as Taproot, I assume the firmware takes up even more space from the limited internal memory. Did you notice less storage space for the crypto apps on your Nano S?

[NeuroticFish]

What can you tell us about its size?

With only 3 apps installed I've lost 4k compared to the free space from before the update.
From what I've read there were complains from people losing Fido U2F - probably because there was no longer enough space for it.

[LTU_btc]

Well... looks like the answer was November 30th, 2021

They've put out an update to support Taproot amongst other things:
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010446000-Ledger-Nano-S-firmware-release-notes?docs=true


Update was simple enough... saw the "New Firmware" banner in Ledger Live, clicked update now... followed the prompts... it even has the "re-install apps" feature at the end of the process that will put all the apps you had installed back on the device for you.

The entire process took less than 5 minutes.

I also had updated my Ledger firmware yesterday. Everything was smooth and without any issues. Actually, I was a bit surprised about it because on previous updates usually I had some kind f errors or other issues and had to search for answers how to solve it.

[HCP]

What can you tell us about its size? With new features such as Taproot, I assume the firmware takes up even more space from the limited internal memory. Did you notice less storage space for the crypto apps on your Nano S?

Apparently it uses more space, so there is less room for apps... the current Capacity is 138Kb, which is slightly less than I remember from the last update. I only have 2 apps installed on it anyway... so I didn't really notice if there was any less space. Space has never really been an issue for me. I'm not holding 759843 different coins/tokens... and I rarely trade/switch between the ones I do have.

I however was somewhat surprised to see that the Bitcoin app is now a whopping 62kb. Nearly half the available space just for Bitcoin.

[jerry0]

Okay so its mentioned there is a new firmware update for the nano ledger s.  So did most of you do it?



I took a look on reddit and someone says they could only have a total of one app right now after this update?



Also  the reason why i ask  about these updates is because  majoriity tof the time, I do not have my seed with me .  Thus I only update my firmware when i have my seed.  So if i do not have my seed, which I dont most off the time, then I won't get to update it unltil later.

[Pmalek]

With only 3 apps installed I've lost 4k compared to the free space from before the update.
From what I've read there were complains from people losing Fido U2F - probably because there was no longer enough space for it.

I guess you are lucky if you can fit 3 apps on your device. Are all three standalone apps or is at least one of them a dependent (forked) coin app? I guess it was inevitable that the newest firmware would take up some additional space from the already limited storage capacities of the Nano S. Like with the previous firmware upgrade, I am not going to rush performing it since it doesn't fix any major vulnerabilities.

I however was somewhat surprised to see that the Bitcoin app is now a whopping 62kb. Nearly half the available space just for Bitcoin.

Yeah, it's too big. I guess Taproot is leaving its mark on the overall size of the Bitcoin app.

Okay so its mentioned there is a new firmware update for the nano ledger s.  So did most of you do it?

Hahaha. Let me just check with the rest of the world really quick... and... yeah, the majority of the world's Nano S holders just confirmed that they have performed the upgrade or are in the process of doing so. That includes Will Smith and Cristiano Ronaldo.

I took a look on reddit and someone says they could only have a total of one app right now after this update?

I doubt it. If you look at HCP's post, you will see that he wrote that there is 138Kb of free space after the newest upgrade. I am not sure about the sizes of all the crypto apps, but the biggest one I know of is Bitcoin with just over 60kb. All the others I am familiar with are between 40-50kb. So even if you have two apps the size of Bitcoin, you would still have enough space for both.

Also  the reason why i ask  about these updates is because  majoriity tof the time, I do not have my seed with me .  Thus I only update my firmware when i have my seed.  So if i do not have my seed, which I dont most off the time, then I won't get to update it unltil later.

Yeah we know. You have been telling us that for the past 2-3 years. So what's the problem this time? Either upgrade it now, or wait and do the update once you find yourself within the reach of your seed. The worst thing that can happen is that the device resets itself to factory settings. If you don't want to risk that, just wait. 

[NeuroticFish]

I guess you are lucky if you can fit 3 apps on your device. Are all three standalone apps or is at least one of them a dependent (forked) coin app? I guess it was inevitable that the newest firmware would take up some additional space from the already limited storage capacities of the Nano S. Like with the previous firmware upgrade, I am not going to rush performing it since it doesn't fix any major vulnerabilities.

As long as one app fits I'm OK. The apps I have are independent. I have Bitcoin, Ethereum and Fido U2F, but I basically use only Bitcoin, the rest are for tests.
And yep, waiting a little before updates usually is good point. I've done mine out of curiosity, to see whether Fido U2F will be reinstalled or lost, after reading in the other topic about problems.

[Pmalek]

I've done mine out of curiosity, to see whether Fido U2F will be reinstalled or lost, after reading in the other topic about problems.

In your case, the Fido U2F got reinstalled (since you had enough space in your wallet after the upgrade). Have you tested it and does it work properly and in the same way as it did before you performed the upgrade? If there are no issues, I think I can assume that those complaining over reddit that they lost their Fido U2F app is because of the memory thing or because people are just being people (sleazeballs) and need a reason to complain.

[NeuroticFish]

If there are no issues, I think I can assume that those complaining over reddit that they lost their Fido U2F app is because of the memory thing or because people are just being people (sleazeballs) and need a reason to complain.

That was also my conclusion. As I wrote, it may be the lack of space and the lack of proper error information about what has happened.
You've quoted - in the other topic - exactly my conclusion, yet you seem to have missed the point about the error message.

Update: my conclusion was incorrect. It looks like Fido U2F was indeed missing and was added back.

Have you tested it and does it work properly and in the same way as it did before you performed the upgrade?

Unfortunately I cannot help with this. I've installed not long ago Fido U2F to make some tests at some point in the near future... and didn't get to do any tests. So the app sits there unused for now, hence I cannot compare the behavior.

[HCP]

I took a look on reddit and someone says they could only have a total of one app right now after this update?

People say a lot of things on reddit... yes, the device is space limited, this is not new information... but the largest app is Cardano (ADA) at 86kb... so, if you had that installed, you'd be quite limited as to what else you could put on, as you'd only have 52kb of space left... certainly not enough for BTC, but you could put ETH on at (48kb) or any number of the other apps that are 52kb or less.

It really comes down to what apps you're attempting to load as to "how many" (as it has for about the last 4 years)... in any case, you can freely uninstall and reinstall as you like... yes, it's annoying, no it's not the end of the world.

Update: my conclusion was incorrect. It looks like Fido U2F was indeed missing and was added back.

I think by the time I realised there was a firmware update and/or it rolled out to my region/account... I had missed the whole Fido U2F issues... it was already there in the list of apps when I went to do my update, as I remember being confused as to why people were complaining that it was missing.

[stef942]

before this last firmware update i had 4 wallets on my nano s (btc,eth,etc,xtz), after the update i can have only 2 wallets (btc,xtz)  not enough space available for the 2 others .
how to force ppl to buy a nano x , thanks ledger 

[dkbit98]

before this last firmware update i had 4 wallets on my nano s (btc,eth,etc,xtz), after the update i can have only 2 wallets (btc,xtz)  not enough space available for the 2 others .
how to force ppl to buy a nano x , thanks ledger  

Ledger developers are scumbags for constantly reducing memory space and for bunch of other things I wrote before, but you can still use nano s device if you uninstall apps that you don't need.
All coins are still safe, and when you need to send or receive coins again uninstall xtz app (for example) and install eth or any other app.
Current capacity for nano s is 138Kb, Bitcoin app is now 62Kb, ethereum app 48Kb, etc is 2Kb, xtz is 40Kb.
Solution for this can also be to purchase different hardware wallet like Trezor or Bitbox02 that don't have any limitations for supported coins and they are open source.
Don't buy nano X crap that have bunch of problems with battery and the can always release new device nano Z and force you to upgrade  

[xenon131]

So the last ledger firmware update was all the way back in May of this year.  Thus that is when I did the last nano ledger s firmware update.  Does anyone know when would be most likely the next update?

On November

[jerry0]

I am going to need to reinstall ledger live and also do this firmware update.  So first reinstall ledger live and check the hash signature is correct.  Then add my accounts to it.



Then do this firmware update.  Did the majority of you do this firmware update?  I did read it will make your storage much less etc.



I only have btc bch stored in it.  But I do have btg wallet installed in it as well.