"ROOBET'S HOUSE OF CARDS"

[DaveF]

The other thing that nobody seems to be talking about is fake ID. Could be a US thing but teens are well known for being able to get ID that says they are older to buy alcohol. Do you really think some ID check system is going to be able to catch the fact that person X is really 16 and not 18 / 21

Same with problem / self excluded gamblers in real casinos. With multi million dollar camera systems and a ton of other monitoring, physical casinos are still regularly finding self excluded players and throwing them out. There have even been lawsuits where excluded players have won jackpots and not been able to claim them since they were not supposed to be there. Went through the courts and universally it was more or less "Too bad, so sad, no money for you" the casinos usually donate the money to charity, but they still don't get their winnings.

So unless you shutdown all online gaming, there are always going to be issues. If you really think KYC is going to stop it for the people who really want to gamble, you are sadly mistaken.

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[dkbit98]

Okay, let's forget about Stake. How would Roobet have self-exclusion if you can play without sending documents?

I know people who are registered in Roobet and  they tell me you can't really use Roobet casino and bet anything there without kyc verification, but don't trust me and try to register and confirm yourself (if you are in forbidden region use vpn).

Some people here don't seem to understand the difference between unregulated money (Bitcoin) and unregulated gambling that operates by using crypto / Bitcoin. I'm not saying gambling is bad; if you enjoy being guaranteed to lose money in the long run (house edge, yadda yadda) playing some games, feel free. However, there's a reason there are protections in place in many countries, and going out of your way to evade these protections shows you are willing and ready to take money from exactly these individuals that need protection due to age and mental issues.

So you would accept to regulate and kyc all internet traffic because you can find free porn and all kind of ''dangerous'' information that is not according to government narrative and ministry of truth?
Sure gambling can be bad, but corrupted regulators are even worse, and I know many cases of government regulated gambling ''educating'' kids from young age that gambling is ok and fun.

Of course, you can say 'fuck them, freedom rulez', but I personally just wouldn't advertise a casino that lets an addict register with a new email after having their old account shut down. It's not about something being allowed or legal or not, it's just a personal, moral question.

Does your government advertise state gambling and lotteries on tv and other media?
If the answer is YES, tell them to fuck off because they steal enough money with regular taxation already

[NotATether]

Same with problem / self excluded gamblers in real casinos. With multi million dollar camera systems and a ton of other monitoring, physical casinos are still regularly finding self excluded players and throwing them out. There have even been lawsuits where excluded players have won jackpots and not been able to claim them since they were not supposed to be there. Went through the courts and universally it was more or less "Too bad, so sad, no money for you" the casinos usually donate the money to charity, but they still don't get their winnings.

So unless you shutdown all online gaming, there are always going to be issues. If you really think KYC is going to stop it for the people who really want to gamble, you are sadly mistaken.

The thing is, as an ordinary online casino, you have no way of knowing who's self-excluded (besides those who press that button on your site) because casinos don't share this data with each other.

For example, I can't just walk up to Stake and ask them to hand me over their list of self-excluded User IDs because 1) that is a private thing, and 2) the User IDs cannot even identify my own users.

So potentially any new user that registers could be self-excluded.

That's why they usually have a clause in their ToS that says something like "by registering, you are not self-excluded at any casino..."

[Csmiami]

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The thing is, as an ordinary online casino, you have no way of knowing who's self-excluded (besides those who press that button on your site)
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If there's even such a button to start with... I'm aware of casinos not having that option and simply limiting to "well, we can delete the account instead" (so that you can register back in a few days..).

Do you have any source to back up your statements? If not then it's just like a speculation. If you accuse a casinos since Curacao gambling license isn't enough and legit, it's just like accusing almost all casinos in this forum. It's true Curacao license doesn't protect the gamblers, but as long as the casinos is legit and paying, it's okay.
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Just because (almost) everybody does the same wrong thing doesn't mean it's OK to do so. A curacao license is basically worthless, and that's precisely why most of the casinos do it, so that they can say "Hey, we have a license, look!"

This can actually be compared to BTC mixers using Cloudfare for protection; "hey, we are doing the bare useless minimum we can to be able to say we are doing something!".
This morality topic is too deep to be covered by a single thread, but as it's been described, this is the wild west, and casinos know that and act accordingly. Stake has been known to promote using mirror sites to bypass government restrictions; most casinos turn a blind eye for VPNs being used to also bypass country restrictions. ALL of the casinos have no problem with these sort of things as long as you lose money, but when you somehow manage to win, they are going to forfeit your balance.

It will all then come to your "influnce". It's naive to think that the reputation a site may have or not have on only this forum is that essential, and that all the users having problems with one site will come here, be believed and get a dispute solved. If a newby/newly created account came here saying "X (reputed) casino has scammed me freezing my balance or whatev", how many users will actually believe the casino has done something wrong? Regulation in crypto casinos is neccessary to protect both the site and its users, but many people fail to see that for whatever reasons they may have.

[LoyceV]

The thing is, as an ordinary online casino, you have no way of knowing who's self-excluded (besides those who press that button on your site) because casinos don't share this data with each other.

The Netherlands only recently allows (and requires) online casinos to register. I'm not sure if it's active yet or they're still implementing it, but the plan is to use CRUKS, which is a central register for excluding people from gambling.
That means full KYC, after which exclusion from one of the registered casinos applies to all registered casinos.

I kinda expect addicted gamblers to switch to unregistered casinos though.

[dkbit98]

The Netherlands only recently allows (and requires) online casinos to register. I'm not sure if it's active yet or they're still implementing it, but the plan is to use CRUKS, which is a central register for excluding people from gambling.

Is Curacao still connected with Netherlands and in what way? They have same or different passports and citizenship?

I think that I saw they are part of Kingdom of the Netherlands along with Aruba and Sint Maarten, so I don't know if they have different laws related with Bitcoin and gambling.

[LoyceV]

Is Curacao still connected with Netherlands and in what way? They have same or different passports and citizenship?

I think that I saw they are part of Kingdom of the Netherlands along with Aruba and Sint Maarten, so I don't know if they have different laws related with Bitcoin and gambling.

They're part of the Kingdom, but considering so many casinos use them as their "home country", I'm pretty sure they must have different gambling laws. I don't know the details though, those islands aren't really something the average citizen here knows other than for a sunny vacation.

[PrimeNumber7]

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The thing is, as an ordinary online casino, you have no way of knowing who's self-excluded (besides those who press that button on your site)
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If there's even such a button to start with... I'm aware of casinos not having that option and simply limiting to "well, we can delete the account instead" (so that you can register back in a few days..).

Most reputable casinos, including online bitcoin casinos have a self-exclusion process. For example, PrimeDice (now stake) has a self-exclusion policy that states that in effect any bets placed by someone evading a self-exclusion restriction will be graded as a losing bet, and that it will not be possible to withdraw any balance on their platform while a self-exclusion ban is in place.

PD has had its share of people cause problems on its site, and I suspect at least some of this was driven by the presence of problem gamblers, either because a problem-gambler was trying to make up their losses via alternative means (scamming), a scammer was taking advantage of problem gamblers with too-good-to-be-true offers, or a naive person sees one someone take advantage of a too good to be true offer from a scammer, and ends up getting scammed themself.

Policing problem-gamblers, and enforcing self-exclusion bans is something that major casinos have an interest in doing.