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November 20, 2021, 09:44:33 PM
Last edit: November 21, 2021, 12:22:18 AM by very_452001
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Hi,

Understood case in court is still ongoing in Florida.

When you guys think jury will reach a verdict?

If Craig wright is found guilty and has to pay the victims that is Dave Kleiman's family then Kleiman's family is entitled to half a million 500,000 bitcoins correct? This is 50% custody of Satoshi's Bitcoins.

Where can we see this Satoshi wallet address with over 1 million bitcoins in there on the bitcoin explorer/chain?

If Craig is found guilty and soon after that we can see on the blockchain that over 1 million bitcoins amount in that wallet has decreased then that proves Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and has the private keys to this wallet?

Hasn't Kleiman's family lawyer who is representing them advised the Kleimans that once its proven that Craig Wright is to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto then bitcoin will crash to $0 meaning that court case that they filed and sue Craig Wright for will be for nothing because 500,000 bitcoins will be worthless so what's the point of the case?    Huh

Craig Wright is rich so if Craig Wright loses how is it settled with the Kleiman's family? 500,000 bitcoins or Craig settles it with his own cash? Does the judge decide or Kleiman's family decides how its settled?

So in conclusion the only way we find out if Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto is if he loses the court case and the judge orders him to give Kleiman's family over 500,000 bitcoins and we can see the 1.1 Million bitcoins in Satoshi Wallet has decreased a lot in amount of bitcoins in there after the case is finished? If so BTC will crash in value & BSV Bitcoin Satoshi Vision coin will take over?

Finally why is that the early people that worked on Bitcoin such as Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney all have died coincidently  Huh

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November 20, 2021, 10:26:41 PM
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Where can we see this Satoshi wallet address with over 1 million bitcoins in there on the bitcoin explorer/chain?

There is not one wallet with all these coins.

The coins are all on different addresses with 50 BTC. That was the mining reward back in 2009-2010.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf
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November 20, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
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Where can we see this Satoshi wallet address with over 1 million bitcoins in there on the bitcoin explorer/chain?

There is not one wallet with all these coins.

The coins are all on different addresses with 50 BTC. That was the mining reward back in 2009-2010.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf

I can understand your reply more than the op topic itself. Can i figure out that the relation claimed between Craig and satoshi is based on those addresses 50 btc genesis block? While it could be the reason for Craig to support such a dumb idea, who might support it?

Finally , i find it bullshit how op think that the court can determine if Craig is the real fake Satoshi.  Cheesy

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Where can we see this Satoshi wallet address with over 1 million bitcoins in there on the bitcoin explorer/chain?

There is not one wallet with all these coins.

The coins are all on different addresses with 50 BTC. That was the mining reward back in 2009-2010.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf

Okay how many wallets in total adding up to over 1.1 million bitcoins?

Where can we see this Satoshi wallet address with over 1 million bitcoins in there on the bitcoin explorer/chain?

There is not one wallet with all these coins.

The coins are all on different addresses with 50 BTC. That was the mining reward back in 2009-2010.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf

I can understand your reply more than the op topic itself. Can i figure out that the relation claimed between Craig and satoshi is based on those addresses 50 btc genesis block? While it could be the reason for Craig to support such a dumb idea, who might support it?

Finally , i find it bullshit how op think that the court can determine if Craig is the real fake Satoshi.  Cheesy

No I didn't say the Judge decides whether he's real Satoshi or not. I meant after the case is finished and the judge orders Craig to settle with his victims that is Kleiman's family and after that if we see that on the blockchain/ledger those 1.1 million bitcoins has been decreased in amount required for the settlement then that proves Craig Wright has the private keys to those 1.1 million bitcoins correct that supposedly Satoshi has access too also unless Craig is Satoshi?
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November 21, 2021, 06:23:40 AM
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Hasn't Kleiman's family lawyer who is representing them advised the Kleimans that once its proven that Craig Wright is to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto then bitcoin will crash to $0 meaning that court case that they filed and sue Craig Wright for will be for nothing because 500,000 bitcoins will be worthless so what's the point of the case? 
Is this the beginning of the brand new FUD coming to bitcoin social media Cheesy

To answer your question, another judge in UK some time ago decided that Craig Scammer Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto and even ordered bitcoin.org and other websites to remove the bitcoin paper since according to the judge CSW owned the right to it.
Long story short, nobody in bitcoin world gave a shit apart from some posts on social media for a couple of days. Most people don't even remember it anymore LOL.

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November 21, 2021, 06:34:59 AM
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I'm not an expert on the topic,but here's my two cents.
If Craig Wright was the real Satoshi,he wouldn't act as a greedy son of a b*tch.
He would have access over the 1.1 million BTC in the Satoshi wallet,which makes him a multi-Billionaire and he wouldn't waste his time and money with court cases.
It has been proven multiple times that Craig Wright is NOT the real Satoshi,so all your assumptions that BTC will crash and BSV will go to the moon are just nonsense.
Such court cases take years before a final verdict,so we can only sit and watch all this circus.
I know that Craig Wright can't prove anything,so there's nothing interesting here.



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November 21, 2021, 07:12:06 AM
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So in conclusion the only way we find out if Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto is if he loses the court case and the judge orders him to give Kleiman's family over 500,000 bitcoins and we can see the 1.1 Million bitcoins in Satoshi Wallet has decreased a lot in amount of bitcoins in there after the case is finished? If so BTC will crash in value & BSV Bitcoin Satoshi Vision coin will take over?


The judge will most likely rule in Craig Wright's favor, that is declare him guilty and order him to pay half a mil of coins, which is exactly what he wants to happen. I believe this will happen, because if the judge was competent, he would have already dismissed the case, because this case is a waste of time without the proof that CWS is Satoshi and owns or at some point owned the coins

And come on, you don't seriously believe that CWS has access to Satoshi's coins? If he did, he would have been boasting about it since day 1.

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may be he is not satoshi but may be a part of the satoshi group. who knows but money can change people more often than NOT Cry constant b-rating and personal attacks targeted to a person can also change that person.

Craig is doing this to get the honorable to award the half to David. Think he just wants more third-party validation that he is not satoshi

Antient Greeks were smart or had amazing discovery yet, if you screamed that the earth was NOT round, you were thrown away as a castaway or seen as crazy. R.I.P. Pythagoras and Aristotle

lets see how the outcome be. Lets hope Mr Craig doesn't do things similar to Mr Mcafee.  Some People around real Satoshi seem to go to the other side of the rainbow too soon Cry
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But how will they even get the 500k bitcoin in the first place, we all know that CSW isn't the real Satoshi Nakamoto so I don't see how they will be able to pay the Kleiman's unless Faketoshi has a coffers that he can pull out the money from not to mention that this trial will definitely become an expensive one since both wants to duke it out.
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Finally why is that the early people that worked on Bitcoin such as Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney all have died coincidently  Huh
Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney was in bad health condition for years before they left the world. Dave Kleiman was paralyzed from 1995 due to an accident and he needed help to move around and for the last three years of his life he was in the hospital and Hal Finney who was suffering from ALS for years and you can find his post in the forum when he was updating about his health conditions, so there is no mystery.

When it comes to the court case, till now Ira Kleiman has not produced anything about any agreement to get any Satoshi coins but what i am surprised is he already spent around $50 million for this legal case and there is no way he is going to win the case with the way things are going and whether CSW is the creator is another story altogether.

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November 21, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
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So in conclusion the only way we find out if Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto is if he loses the court case and the judge orders him to give Kleiman's family over 500,000 bitcoins and we can see the 1.1 Million bitcoins in Satoshi Wallet has decreased a lot in amount of bitcoins in there after the case is finished? If so BTC will crash in value & BSV Bitcoin Satoshi Vision coin will take over?


This is the important question in the OP

The only way to prove ownership of the Satoshi Bitcoin is to either move some of them
from one of the wallets or sign a message from one of the addresses.

So in this weird court case if the Judge finds Wright guilty he would have to share the
Satoshi Bitcoin. Apart from Wrights supporters everyone knows he is not Satoshi.

Its such a nonsense case because if he is found guilty he wont be able to share what
he does not have access to, so the perfect scenario would be for the judge to order
Wright to pay the Kleiman family the same value as the Bitcoin "they are entitled to"
from the court ruling, that
would shut him up.

Bitcoin going to zero, i cant understand how or why this would happen...

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If Craig Wright loses, he will have to pay Kleiman 500,000 Bitcoin or the usd value of that amount.

So it is entirely likely that Craig will owe billions in USD if he losses.

Then he will use his other court case in the UK to try and force the Bitcoin Core developers to move Satoshi’s coins so he can pay the fine and profit.

Make no mistake Craig is one of the stupidest people I have ever read about. He is as dumb as they come. He is not Satoshi that much is clear even the Australian Tax Office concluded Craig was a fraud and a liar.

Craig thinks he will be able to use some court order from a uk court to move coins on Bitcoin that he cannot prove ownership. Even as others have already signed messages on old addresses Craig said were his.

(Edit: of course this isn’t possible, no court order could ever move any Bitcoin in the way Craig wants, but his long con isn’t really about Bitcoin at all, rather it’s about controlling old addresses, some of which might be the Satoshi coins, on his BSV fork)

At most he might convince the BSV devs, miners and community (nodes) to allow him to "recover" Satoshi’s BSV coins. Of course that would collapse the BSV price even further to zero. Which is also good as the only people dumber than Craig Wright are his supporters and BSV holders. Those people truly are the dumbest shits ever to walk the Earth and deserve what’s coming.
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November 21, 2021, 11:58:20 AM
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Then he will use his other court case in the UK to try and force the Bitcoin Core developers to move Satoshi’s coins so he can pay the fine and profit.

He can get 100 disputes in all the courts of the world, but no one can give him private keys that are in any way associated with a possible Satoshi coins. Where did you get the idea that Bitcoin developers could do something like that even if they wanted to? They say that every family has at least one black sheep, Bitcoin, unfortunately, has more than one, and all of them will sooner or later get lost in their crazy attempts to prove their lies.

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Where did you get the idea that Bitcoin developers could do something like that even if they wanted to?

No of course not, sorry if I was not clear in my reply above. This is a long con to get access to the BSV coins.

(I think) Craig’s game is:

  • Get a UK court to order the Bitcoin Core developers to move the coins
  • Obviously that will fail. But he needs this for the next steps
  • Then take that order to his BSV fork
  • Convince the miners, devs and community of BSV to give him the Satoshi coins on BSV
  • He makes millions and maybe cashes out just before BSV finally craters to zero

Of course Bitcoin is never and was never affected in the slightest. But Craig’s con involving making some idiots in the community feel that he has that power. So that they give up the Satoshi coins on his BSV fork.
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November 21, 2021, 09:00:14 PM
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To answer your question, another judge in UK some time ago decided that Craig Scammer Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto

That’s incorrect.
What actually happened was Wright & Ayre went to court to sue the person who controls bitcoin.org for supposed plagiarism of The Bitcoin Whitepaper on bitcoin.org.

The person who controls the domain bitcoin.org is Cøbra (a poster here) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495

Cøbra is anonymous & when going to court gave no evidence & actually refused to stand as his real identity. This meant that CW won the court case by default & the judge ordered Cøbra to remove the whitepaper & ability to download Bitcoin Core in the UK.

The judge did not declare CW as Satoshi.



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Mr Craig wins when Ms. Ira win 50% of Mr Craig's claimed coin.
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If Craig Wright loses, he will have to pay Kleiman 500,000 Bitcoin or the usd value of that amount.

According to the lawsuit, this is the claim:

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121. While the exact number of bitcoins remains to be determined, by Craig’s admission, Dave’s estate is entitled to the possession of at least 300,000 bitcoins. Further, Craig’s admission that Ira owned 50% of W&K entitles Dave to possession of at least 550,055.5 Bitcoin. Finally, pursuant to the formation documents of W&K, Dave is the sole member of W&K and would therefore be entitled to possession of all 1,100,111 Bitcoin mined by W&K.
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125. Dave’s estate is entitled to actual damages, amounting in either return of all bitcoins converted from Dave’s possession or the fair market value of the bitcoin.

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November 22, 2021, 07:09:16 PM
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Such shame that the court listens to a continuously lying bastard who refuses to provide the required proof. That there are signed messages from these Satoshi addresses which say he's a liar. That he requires the entire world to make Bitcoin susceptible to censorship while it's censorship resistant.

I'm a man who agrees with the law, but I find it idiotic to follow it blindly. You have to combine it with common sense.

Okay how many wallets in total adding up to over 1.1 million bitcoins?
This is the funny part. No one knows. Not even themselves. They've probably selected bunch of thousands addresses from the 2009-10 and stated they're theirs.

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Hasn't Kleiman's family lawyer who is representing them advised the Kleimans that once its proven that Craig Wright is to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto then bitcoin will crash to $0 meaning that court case that they filed and sue Craig Wright for will be for nothing because 500,000 bitcoins will be worthless so what's the point of the case? 
Is this the beginning of the brand new FUD coming to bitcoin social media Cheesy

To answer your question, another judge in UK some time ago decided that Craig Scammer Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto and even ordered bitcoin.org and other websites to remove the bitcoin paper since according to the judge CSW owned the right to it.
Long story short, nobody in bitcoin world gave a shit apart from some posts on social media for a couple of days. Most people don't even remember it anymore LOL.

What evidence did the UK Judge see to grant Craig Wright the Bitcoin White Paper & Bitcoin.org?



I'm not an expert on the topic,but here's my two cents.
If Craig Wright was the real Satoshi,he wouldn't act as a greedy son of a b*tch.
He would have access over the 1.1 million BTC in the Satoshi wallet,which makes him a multi-Billionaire and he wouldn't waste his time and money with court cases.
It has been proven multiple times that Craig Wright is NOT the real Satoshi,so all your assumptions that BTC will crash and BSV will go to the moon are just nonsense.
Such court cases take years before a final verdict,so we can only sit and watch all this circus.
I know that Craig Wright can't prove anything,so there's nothing interesting here.




How does a baseless case run for years without any hard evidence then  Huh The judge should have threw the case out of the court room and see it as a joke if there's no real evidence yet how the case ran for years I don't understand?



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Finally why is that the early people that worked on Bitcoin such as Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney all have died coincidently  Huh
Dave Kleiman and Hal Finney was in bad health condition for years before they left the world. Dave Kleiman was paralyzed from 1995 due to an accident and he needed help to move around and for the last three years of his life he was in the hospital and Hal Finney who was suffering from ALS for years and you can find his post in the forum when he was updating about his health conditions, so there is no mystery.

When it comes to the court case, till now Ira Kleiman has not produced anything about any agreement to get any Satoshi coins but what i am surprised is he already spent around $50 million for this legal case and there is no way he is going to win the case with the way things are going and whether CSW is the creator is another story altogether.

Craig Wright spent $50 million on the case so far? Has he liquidated bitcoin holdings for this and if so were we can see the on chain data to verify this?




So in conclusion the only way we find out if Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto is if he loses the court case and the judge orders him to give Kleiman's family over 500,000 bitcoins and we can see the 1.1 Million bitcoins in Satoshi Wallet has decreased a lot in amount of bitcoins in there after the case is finished? If so BTC will crash in value & BSV Bitcoin Satoshi Vision coin will take over?


This is the important question in the OP

The only way to prove ownership of the Satoshi Bitcoin is to either move some of them
from one of the wallets or sign a message from one of the addresses.

So in this weird court case if the Judge finds Wright guilty he would have to share the
Satoshi Bitcoin. Apart from Wrights supporters everyone knows he is not Satoshi.

Its such a nonsense case because if he is found guilty he wont be able to share what
he does not have access to, so the perfect scenario would be for the judge to order
Wright to pay the Kleiman family the same value as the Bitcoin "they are entitled to"
from the court ruling, that
would shut him up.

Bitcoin going to zero, i cant understand how or why this would happen...


When you think the case will finish and if Craig Wright is found guilty and is ordered by Judge that 550,00 bitcoins is ordered to the Kleiman's family or judge forces Craig to liquidate 550,000 bitcoins for cash settlement for Kleiman's family then after this ruling we know for sure if Craig Wright is BS?

How many wallet addresses are there amounting to 1.1 million bitcoins and where we can see this on chain data so we know after the judge verdict whether this amount has decreased or not?



If Craig Wright loses, he will have to pay Kleiman 500,000 Bitcoin or the usd value of that amount.

So it is entirely likely that Craig will owe billions in USD if he losses.

Then he will use his other court case in the UK to try and force the Bitcoin Core developers to move Satoshi’s coins so he can pay the fine and profit.

Make no mistake Craig is one of the stupidest people I have ever read about. He is as dumb as they come. He is not Satoshi that much is clear even the Australian Tax Office concluded Craig was a fraud and a liar.

Craig thinks he will be able to use some court order from a uk court to move coins on Bitcoin that he cannot prove ownership. Even as others have already signed messages on old addresses Craig said were his.

(Edit: of course this isn’t possible, no court order could ever move any Bitcoin in the way Craig wants, but his long con isn’t really about Bitcoin at all, rather it’s about controlling old addresses, some of which might be the Satoshi coins, on his BSV fork)

At most he might convince the BSV devs, miners and community (nodes) to allow him to "recover" Satoshi’s BSV coins. Of course that would collapse the BSV price even further to zero. Which is also good as the only people dumber than Craig Wright are his supporters and BSV holders. Those people truly are the dumbest shits ever to walk the Earth and deserve what’s coming.

Wait you saying the Bitcoin Core Developers have the centralized power to activate a dead dormant bitcoin wallet that's over a decade old with the private keys supposedly lost to this wallet Shocked

I dont understand isnt it illegal and a crime to waste legal system resources and courts time by asking the courts to chase bitcoin core developers to activate satoshi's 1.1 million bitcoins wallet then after all that chasing realise its impossible. So Craig Wright can go jail for wasting time offence? For example if I pranked the police and called them to say somebody was murdered and they came and found no body or murder then I get arrested for the crime of wasting police time.



Where did you get the idea that Bitcoin developers could do something like that even if they wanted to?

No of course not, sorry if I was not clear in my reply above. This is a long con to get access to the BSV coins.

(I think) Craig’s game is:

  • Get a UK court to order the Bitcoin Core developers to move the coins
  • Obviously that will fail. But he needs this for the next steps
  • Then take that order to his BSV fork
  • Convince the miners, devs and community of BSV to give him the Satoshi coins on BSV
  • He makes millions and maybe cashes out just before BSV finally craters to zero

Of course Bitcoin is never and was never affected in the slightest. But Craig’s con involving making some idiots in the community feel that he has that power. So that they give up the Satoshi coins on his BSV fork.

Does the victims that is Kleiman's family want settlement in BTC Bitcoins or BSV Bitcoin Satoshi Vision Coins if Craig is found guilty by Jury? If they want Bitcoins BTC then BSV is worth nothing compared to BTC right now so how him liquidating Satoshi's BSV coins be enough to pay off the Kleiman's family  Huh

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