[Solved] UnioChange exchanger is scam!!

[shasan]

Note: This is not happened to me and it is happened to one of my well known person who has sent all the credential to me via telegram as well as facebook.

What happened:: Scammed 1350$

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3101812

Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2868

Reference Link: https://uniochange.com/hst_xc05HkW4gYC2Xo76nAwucoqVb83WHztpExv/
Amount Scammed: 1350$
Payment Method: Perfectmoney
Proof of Payment: https://uniochange.com/hst_xc05HkW4gYC2Xo76nAwucoqVb83WHztpExv/
Additional Notes: Order placed at 2021-11-10 16:59:07. And it shows automatic payout error on that time. When contacted with them they told:

Sorry about delay because doge coin network busy it will complete soon as possible --
Kind Regards
UnioChange team

Another message from them:


Then it updated order creation at 11.11.2021, 06:05. And also showing payment complete from then. But they have not sent any payment on then.
Then:

They marked payment complete. Proof:

Then they asked if there is a binance account or not:

Then created claim on bestchange and from bestchange team told:

And on the bestchange claim uniochange telling that they have sent ethereum but could not show any proof where it is asked to send ethereum.


Comment/discussion on bestchange with uniochange:

[shasan]

Reserve

[naim027]

From all the info you provided. I think They are scamming nothing else. Since Saiful Asked them to provide the proof "where he said to pay him in ETH?"

The Uniochange have no answer but they repeating the same message as like a chatBot. If Uniochange has a BTT profile, you should create a flag. I hope DT members will support the flag.

Also, BestChange cannot avoid liability for this transaction since they listed Uniochange. BestChange is the largest and trusted exchanger Toplist provider. They should handle it.

Thanks

[shasan]

From all the info you provided. I think They are scamming nothing else. Since Saiful Asked them to provide the proof "where he said to pay him in ETH?"

The Uniochange have no answer but they repeating the same message as like a chatBot. If Uniochange has a BTT profile, you should create a flag. I hope DT members will support the flag.

Also, BestChange cannot avoid liability for this transaction since they listed Uniochange. BestChange is the largest and trusted exchanger Toplist provider. They should handle it.

Thanks

Yes, they are just saying same thing but couldn't sent any proof and the order marked as complete but never sent it. I have still don't know either they have any profile on the forum or not. You are right that bestchange cannot avoid the liability. I have sent a pm of bestchange on the forum as well as on the website. So, need to observe which action they are taking.

Uniochange mentioned they have 24/7 operations but from the comment on bestchange it is clear that they are operating manually.


But it is manual:


Edit: I have found profile and created a flag. I have added the flag on the op.

[naim027]

From all the info you provided. I think They are scamming nothing else. Since Saiful Asked them to provide the proof "where he said to pay him in ETH?"

The Uniochange have no answer but they repeating the same message as like a chatBot. If Uniochange has a BTT profile, you should create a flag. I hope DT members will support the flag.

Also, BestChange cannot avoid liability for this transaction since they listed Uniochange. BestChange is the largest and trusted exchanger Toplist provider. They should handle it.

Thanks

Yes, they are just saying same thing but couldn't sent any proof and the order marked as complete but never sent it. I have still don't know either they have any profile on the forum or not. You are right that bestchange cannot avoid the liability. I have sent a pm of bestchange on the forum as well as on the website. So, need to observe which action they are taking.

Uniochange mentioned they have 24/7 operations but from the comment on bestchange, it is clear that they are operating manually.


But it is manual:

Well, If BestChange doesn't reply or they cannot handle it, You should create a Scam accusation against them. They provide service. They earn money. Why wouldn't take responsibility for Scamming by their partner?

From the Photo you provided, it's proved that this is not the first case for Uniochange. They do it regularly and BestChange Does nothing against them. Believe me, 80% of people don't know what to do or how to do and where to do it after they got fucked up by that kind of shitty exchanger.

Well, we expect a good solution from BestChange Team.

[LoyceV]

Note: This is not happened to me and it is happened to one of my well known person who has sent all the credential to me via telegram as well as facebook.
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Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2868

I've Opposed the Flag because this is incorrect use of the Trust Flag system. Only the victim can create type 2 or 3 Flags:

Just to confirm, you are not allowed to create a contract violation flag unless you were personally harmed, correct?

Correct.

If someone else created it, the Flag is incorrect:

This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.

Anyone else can only create a type 1 Flag.

It's kinda important to use the Flag system correctly, so it doesn't lose it's meaning (like what happened to negative feedback).
You can still create a type 1 Flag, or the victim can create a type 3 Flag.

[naim027]

OP, You should ask Shariful Islam to create a flag if you want. But, I would like to mention to you that Uniochange Have created their account in January 2021 and they are not active here. They never come back to their account after April 2021. They don't have any Reputation here. So creating a flag against Uniochange isn't going to help. That's my personal opinion.

[shasan]

I've Opposed the Flag because this is incorrect use of the Trust Flag system. Only the victim can create type 2 or 3 Flags:

It is not the fact either you support or oppose as I have nothing to lose anymore by the uniochange. I have created the flag as I have same credentials who has been affected. And I can check the wallet of dogecoin/perfectmoney/uniochange also gmail id. Also the original owner is not familiar with bitcointalk. As I have all information same as the affected person what is the difference cant imagine. And also for your kind information almost all the comment on bestchange done by me.

[Uniochange]

Hello
Im john from unioChange team

I would like to explain what happened with this customer in detail with the inclusion of screenshots showing what happened!

The user made many of our transfers and all of them were successful.. the last request was there was a problem with the doge coin network and we told the user to wait or transfer to another currency via whatsup the second day the user asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for doge coin and we told him to do that for you Send us an email containing the eth wallet address from the email in your order and already sent the eth address to our email and we transferred the eth to it
Screenshots;


https://ibb.co/BzD930G
https://ibb.co/thpLCWy
https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy

<a href="https://ibb.co/BzD930G"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/K0ZJhTD/EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671.jpg" alt="EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/thpLCWy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/9vHZYCR/48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351.jpg" alt="48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DWgDp7f/131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596.jpg" alt="131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596" border="0"></a>

[shasan]

asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for doge

On telegram you have told to send the address as a code to verify the ownership. From email never told you to send ethereum/usdt/ethreum classic/vidt or any other erc20 base coin. So, how you decided that the address stands for ethereum or something else? You have just tried to make the scam as legal via telegram.

[naim027]

Hello
I'm john from the unioChange team

I would like to explain what happened with this customer in detail with the inclusion of screenshots showing what happened!

The user made many of our transfers and all of them were successful.. the last request was there was a problem with the dogecoin network and we told the user to wait or transfer to another currency via whatsup the second day the user asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for dogecoin and we told him to do that for you Send us an email containing the eth wallet address from the email in your order and already sent the eth address to our email and we transferred the eth to it
Screenshots;


https://ibb.co/BzD930G
https://ibb.co/thpLCWy
https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy

<a href="https://ibb.co/BzD930G"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/K0ZJhTD/EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671.jpg" alt=" EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/thpLCWy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/9vHZYCR/48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351.jpg" alt="48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DWgDp7f/131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596.jpg" alt="131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596" border="0"></a>

And where is the proof that "he asked you guys to send ETH"?
Where is the proof that you told him to send you his ETH Wallet?

I believe The proof you have submitted can be manipulated.
Anyone can make proof like this by mail spoofing.

[Uniochange]

Hello
I'm john from the unioChange team

I would like to explain what happened with this customer in detail with the inclusion of screenshots showing what happened!

The user made many of our transfers and all of them were successful.. the last request was there was a problem with the dogecoin network and we told the user to wait or transfer to another currency via whatsup the second day the user asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for dogecoin and we told him to do that for you Send us an email containing the eth wallet address from the email in your order and already sent the eth address to our email and we transferred the eth to it
Screenshots;


https://ibb.co/BzD930G
https://ibb.co/thpLCWy
https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy

<a href="https://ibb.co/BzD930G"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/K0ZJhTD/EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671.jpg" alt=" EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/thpLCWy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/9vHZYCR/48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351.jpg" alt="48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DWgDp7f/131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596.jpg" alt="131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596" border="0"></a>

And where is the proof that "he asked you guys to send ETH"?
Where is the proof that you told him to send you his ETH Wallet?

I believe The proof you have submitted can be manipulated.
Anyone can make proof like this by mail spoofing.

If we are frauds, why did we complete the previous orders of the customer? Also, if we are frauds, why waste our time defending ourselves? Attached is a link showing a video of the customer's email

https://streamable.com/kn184f

[naim027]

Hello
I'm john from the unioChange team

I would like to explain what happened with this customer in detail with the inclusion of screenshots showing what happened!

The user made many of our transfers and all of them were successful.. the last request was there was a problem with the dogecoin network and we told the user to wait or transfer to another currency via whatsup the second day the user asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for dogecoin and we told him to do that for you Send us an email containing the eth wallet address from the email in your order and already sent the eth address to our email and we transferred the eth to it
Screenshots;


https://ibb.co/BzD930G
https://ibb.co/thpLCWy
https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy

<a href="https://ibb.co/BzD930G"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/K0ZJhTD/EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671.jpg" alt=" EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/thpLCWy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/9vHZYCR/48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351.jpg" alt="48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DWgDp7f/131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596.jpg" alt="131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596" border="0"></a>

And where is the proof that "he asked you guys to send ETH"?
Where is the proof that you told him to send you his ETH Wallet?

I believe The proof you have submitted can be manipulated.
Anyone can make proof like this by mail spoofing.

If we are frauds, why did we complete the previous orders of the customer? Also, if we are frauds, why waste our time defending ourselves? Attached is a link showing a video of the customer's email

You completed the previous order just to gain users' trust.

https://streamable.com/kn184f

Are you a Robot or what? You showing the same thing as before.
I ask for proof where this customer told you to send him ETH?
You showing an email and here is just an ETH address nothing else.

This can be done by mail spoofing. Why should I trust you?
If you can submit proof that the client asked you to send him ETH Instead of Doge, and This ETH Address belongs to this client. I think you are okay then.

[shasan]

If we are frauds, why did we complete the previous orders of the customer? Also, if we are frauds, why waste our time defending ourselves? Attached is a link showing a video of the customer's email

https://streamable.com/kn184f

You are alive today that doesn't mean you will alive until the destruction of the universe. There are a lot of site who made scam finally but before that they were legit site too. For example the problem of binance happen recently but not happened before. Also, I can ask you the same question. If you are legit then why you have not been accused earlier but you have been accused now?

[Uniochange]

Hello
I'm john from the unioChange team

I would like to explain what happened with this customer in detail with the inclusion of screenshots showing what happened!

The user made many of our transfers and all of them were successful.. the last request was there was a problem with the dogecoin network and we told the user to wait or transfer to another currency via whatsup the second day the user asked via telegram to send him eth in exchange for dogecoin and we told him to do that for you Send us an email containing the eth wallet address from the email in your order and already sent the eth address to our email and we transferred the eth to it
Screenshots;


https://ibb.co/BzD930G
https://ibb.co/thpLCWy
https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy

<a href="https://ibb.co/BzD930G"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/K0ZJhTD/EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671.jpg" alt=" EEB6-CBB0-B185-4488-AF78-4-B06-C702-D671" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/thpLCWy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/9vHZYCR/48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351.jpg" alt="48-C68543-307-A-4237-97-E3-B76502-A12351" border="0"></a>
<a href="https://ibb.co/02Vjtfy"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/DWgDp7f/131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596.jpg" alt="131-B3873-2-D2-E-496-F-B886-AA0-FC493-E596" border="0"></a>

And where is the proof that "he asked you guys to send ETH"?
Where is the proof that you told him to send you his ETH Wallet?

I believe The proof you have submitted can be manipulated.
Anyone can make proof like this by mail spoofing.

If we are frauds, why did we complete the previous orders of the customer? Also, if we are frauds, why waste our time defending ourselves? Attached is a link showing a video of the customer's email

You completed the previous order just to gain users' trust.

https://streamable.com/kn184f

Are you a Robot or what? You showing the same thing as before.
I ask for proof where this customer told you to send him ETH?
You showing an email and here is just an ETH address nothing else.

This can be done by mail spoofing. Why should I trust you?
If you can submit proof that the client asked you to send him ETH Instead of Doge, and This ETH Address belongs to this client. I think you are okay then.

The user has already deleted previous conversations in Telegram
Let me explain to you that the user has proven that he sent this email so don't tell me it's a fake email because the user has proven it from his words you can check it

[naim027]

From email never told you to send ethereum/usdt/ethreum classic/vidt or any other erc20 base coin. So, how you decided that the address stands for ethereum or something else?

Question to you. That's mean you send him that address?
And you are only asking about how he got it this is an ETH address?

[JeromeTash]

The user has already deleted previous conversations in Telegram
Let me explain to you that the user has proven that he sent this email so don't tell me it's a fake email because the user has proven it from his words you can check it

Just trying to understand.

How did you guys end up communicating through telegram, yet you were already doing it using email?
Without the screenshot of you asking him to send you an Ether address for a refund. It will be hard to prove who is a scammer and who is not

[shasan]

The user has already deleted previous conversations in Telegram
Let me explain to you that the user has proven that he sent this email so don't tell me it's a fake email because the user has proven it from his words you can check it

On telegram you have told to send that as code as a result on the email just sent that never told you to send ethereum or any erc20 address. You are just scamming by using telegram.

Question to you. That's mean you send him that address?
And you are only asking about how he got it this is an ETH address?

They asked to send that as verification. So never told which address it is either ethereum or erc20 or something else.

How did you guys end up communicating through telegram, yet you were already doing it using email?
Without the screenshot of you asking him to send you an Ether address for a refund. It will be hard to prove who is a scammer and who is not

It is not only difficult but also impossible to prove now who is the real scammer. But as there is conversation on email why they will rely on scam technique telegram. And on email why not asked details? they told only to send the address as code nothing else. I have seen those text as I went to the house of the person who has been scammed.

[naim027]

They asked to send that as verification. So never told which address it is either ethereum or erc20 or something else.

Okay. I got my answer. You provided this ( 0x4c15B9B6E6177f20E745254758ed84b3e33a447E ) address but didn't tell him that is ETH or USDT or anything else.

Right?

[examplens]

I'm trying to understand what happened here.
If you (OP, or whoever you already represent here) did not request payment in ethereum, how the exchanger knows what your eth address is?
Is it 0x4c15B9B6E6177f20E745254758ed84b3e33a447E really belongs to you, I mean do you have access to funds on there?

if that entire amount still remains in your possession, this case cannot be characterized as fraud.

something completely different if they behaved unprofessionally and if they have caused you many complications during one round of exchange.