That's irrelevant now

[Get-Paid.com]

That's irrelevant now

[Poker Player]

If this turns out to be true, I don't understand why they do it. A casino with an influx of customers earns enough to get into these messes that can end up destroying its reputation. I can believe it from casinos that have low traffic, their numbers are not doing well, and therefore they need to get money from wherever they can.

Let's wait for a stake.com representative to come here and see what he has to say.

[Juwel]

If this turns out to be true, I don't understand why they do it. A casino with an influx of customers earns enough to get into these messes that can end up destroying its reputation. I can believe it from casinos that have low traffic, their numbers are not doing well, and therefore they need to get money from wherever they can.

Let's wait for a stake.com representative to come here and see what he has to say.

I can tell you this - from the screenshot above the "Campaign Hits" = Clicks = Seems to be way off, completely way off.
Take BetFury for example:

https://i.imgur.com/aQTUtby.png
https://i.imgur.com/aQTUtby.png

As you can see in BetFury each page has 10 referrals and we have 1589 pages like this i.e. 16,000 referrals - that is registered users, not clicks!
The screenshot above shows you only 10,000 clicks - it's impossible we sent that little amount of clicks over, completely impossible, we know how much traffic we have.

Also the number of registered users with Stake has been "steady" remaining 1745 for many days now despite having a mailing campaign in our 15 faucets, an offer live in KiwiWall, tweets to our over 150k followers (real ones, not fake ones) - see an example just for one single tweet:

BetFury is a new site you got many referrals easily from your site I guess.
The stake is the very oldest site many people have been registered to.

For me, I have already registered why should I create a new account? I just click and claim the bonus from your site? isn't that work for you paid for click?
Everyone click a link for viewing the site like i just click your ref link LOL!

I can see there is code (options) do we need to enter the ref code manual? or what does this mean?
As I know
When someone fully registered under your ref code (username, email verify, password) then it will be added to your affiliate list instantly

Maybe I'm wrong to let us wait for the stake answer...

[Lucius]

Clearly lots of clicks (and subsequently registrations/deposits) were not counted.

I don't want to say that it's exactly as you describe it (although it probably is), but it's no wonder that some people use this method, I've seen it many times over the years, especially on faucets. If they did it on purpose, it’s not clear to me how they meant to get away with it, because sooner or later someone had to realize that something wasn’t right. However, the possibility should be left that there is a bug in their system that causes things like this to happen.

Have you contacted their representative on the forum? Judging by yours previous posts, you claim to have good and successful communication with them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365226.msg58208063#msg58208063

[allyouracid]

By the way here is a video showing you what happens to your affiliate link and how the code is being wiped out a few seconds after registering:
https://vimeo.com/649327128
Any page refreshing for example will eliminate the user from being your referral and there are many other examples.

Did you check Cookies, LocalStorage, Session etc to see if the referral is set somewhere? Professional platforms (which I'd guess they are) store the referral for some time in the browser, say, a week or so. Then whenever the referred user accesses the website (but hasn't registered, yet), the referral is still active.
If a user clears those caches, though, it's his fault. Many people even intentionally remove ref codes, as they don't like others making money off of their back which could be potentially theirs.

Edit: just read the whole thread... alone the comparison with campaigns on other sites makes it look like there's something fishy with stake.com. The results shouldn't differ that much.

[suchmoon]

Did you check Cookies, LocalStorage, Session etc to see if the referral is set somewhere? Professional platforms (which I'd guess they are) store the referral for some time in the browser, say, a week or so. Then whenever the referred user accesses the website (but hasn't registered, yet), the referral is still active.
If a user clears those caches, though, it's his fault. Many people even intentionally remove ref codes, as they don't like others making money off of their back which could be potentially theirs.

But it would be statistically very unlikely that Stake users would remove the referrals much more often than users of other sites. Same goes for VPN use etc. It seems more likely that Stake cocked something up and perhaps aren't in a big hurry to fix it if it saves them money.

Besides the ref codes don't really take money from users... they lose the money to the casino regardless of whether they're referred or not. They could get that money to themselves only if they referred themselves, which is probably against TOS anyway.

[allyouracid]

Did you check Cookies, LocalStorage, Session etc to see if the referral is set somewhere? Professional platforms (which I'd guess they are) store the referral for some time in the browser, say, a week or so. Then whenever the referred user accesses the website (but hasn't registered, yet), the referral is still active.
If a user clears those caches, though, it's his fault. Many people even intentionally remove ref codes, as they don't like others making money off of their back which could be potentially theirs.

But it would be statistically very unlikely that Stake users would remove the referrals much more often than users of other sites. Same goes for VPN use etc. It seems more likely that Stake cocked something up and perhaps aren't in a big hurry to fix it if it saves them money.

Just edited my previous post. Notice to self: read everything first, then reply. ^^

Besides the ref codes don't really take money from users... they lose the money to the casino regardless of whether they're referred or not. They could get that money to themselves only if they referred themselves, which is probably against TOS anyway.

Yes, that's what I was referring to (referring themselves). It's common practice in crypto exchanges, and it's probably also against their TOS. But if that was the issue here, the differences would probably be similar across all campaigns / websites, and that doesn't seem to be the case.

[:wq]

Hello, I’ve had a quick look into your issue and I can confirm a few things, based on how I know the site works for us versus how it works for competitors.

• Hits and referrals dont count if the user is using a VPN or already registered on the site. (even if they log out and then register a new account)
• If the referred users hits the page from a banned jurisdiction they do not count at all for hits.
• We generally have more banned jurisdictions than other sites as we operate within the guidelines of our license (betfury don’t even have a valid license? see figure 1 below)
• Without disclosing private information, the user you have referenced already had an existing account on stake, which is why their referral didnt register under your campaign. If you want to have a discussion with them, I’m sure they will verify this statement. (see figure 2 below)

figure 1.


figure 2.


I hope this helps clarify your concerns. Enjoy your day!

[:wq]

• We generally have more banned jurisdictions than other sites as we operate within the guidelines of our license (betfury don’t even have a valid license? see figure 1 below)

Firstly BetFury does have a valid license.
Secondly, these are your blocked geos:

https://stake.com/policies/terms



With all due respect, these are not many "more banned jurisdictions".
I will list these for you: US, Curacao, Syria, Iran, Korea, Netherlands, UK, Australia, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Lithuania and France.

Not underestimating the value of these geos but we have lots of users from outside of these jurisdictions and still the numbers don't make sense.

Good find, we haven't updated our banned jurisdictions in our ToS. I'll get onto that.
Our correct banned jurisdictions are:

Australia, Belarus, Cote D’Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Cuba, Curacao, Czech Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo, France, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, Lithuania, Netherlands, North Korea, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Sudan, Syria, United Kingdom, United States or Zimbabwe

It's also important to note that there are a couple countries and ISP's globally that block stake.com

For those instances (the list is pretty long these days), we suggest that players connect via one of our mirror sites which can be found here: https://playstake.io

For the sake of your tests, maybe you will have better results using a mirror site url, versus the parent domain. As to the claims that we are shaving leads, thats just ridiculous. Our product relies on successful affiliates, such as yourself, to drive our product. It wouldn't be productive or effective to tarnish our relationship over, we want to work with you, not against. The problem here is that there is actually nothing wrong with our system, so we can't help you and thats not acceptable apparently.

[:wq]

I'm happy to do a deeper investigation on additional players if you would like. I'll send you a pm on how to contact me.

[IndependentGambler]

While I'm not an affiliate, I do find useful feedback in this thread as far as the casino's attitude and won't be signing up here to gamble.