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December 02, 2021, 03:40:40 PM
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Hi Coinheated, I’m going to assume this is the same Coinheated who won the auction at scarce.city recently for a 2015 Original @ a sizeable sum... just seeing this all and I’m sorry you had this happen. I’ll contact you this evening at the email you emailed me at when offering to donate a miner to the tribe in Brazil. I want to send you out something to soften the blow a little.

Yes, this is me.  And I did pay that one as well.  Again, I'm bummed that I got scammed.  It's my own damn fault, and I'm not blaming anyone else.  I'm really just trying to take a breath and figure out what really happened in its entirety, and I just wanted to get EVERYTHING verified and trusted before sending another payment, but it was clear to me that there was no way to change this date.  It was stated to me multiple times that I must pay in 24 hours or I would be reported, period. 
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December 02, 2021, 03:58:22 PM
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Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.
Agreed. That's why I wrote "bidder(s)", seeing the other is also a very new account and well... things tend to happen.
That being said I didn't want to steal away anything here, just with how things often go I tried to secure my place in line.  Wink

Looks like this is indeed a sad case of the bidder getting scammed, sorry for your loss @CoinHeated. Hope there is any chance to track the stolen funds. Good luck.
PS: Also got a Exogenesis offer via pm already, thanks!

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December 02, 2021, 04:01:50 PM
Last edit: December 02, 2021, 04:34:57 PM by mprep
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I want to send you out something to soften the blow a little.

I do greatly appreciate that, and if you wish to do that, that is awesome, but not required.  A few grand in BTC isn't going to ruin me, but it is a lot of money to me.  I'm no TheMoonCarl spending millions on low res jpgs.  lol. 

My very biggest thing in all of this is the severe frustrations I had when this began, and being limited by the non-copper membership, and then being stuck for the rest of the night last night not being able to send or post until the copper membership finally took effect.

Again, my biggest thing in all of this that is far more more important to me is reputation.  And having my DMs posted publicly showing I've not paid within only 15 hours of auction ending was rather damaging. 



Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.
Agreed. That's why I wrote "bidder(s)", seeing the other is also a very new account and well... things tend to happen.
That being said I didn't want to steal away anything here, just with how things often go I tried to secure my place in line.  Wink

Looks like this is indeed a sad case of the bidder getting scammed, sorry for your loss @CoinHeated. Hope there is any chance to track the stolen funds. Good luck.
PS: Also got a Exogenesis offer via pm already, thanks!

Well, I've already paid again, so unless I got scammed a second time, this should be mine.  Funds are long gone I'm sure.  I care less about that than I do than I do my reputation.

I guess be warned though about the PM offer for another one.  Could be a scam.  Happened to me.  I was also offered other Kialara pieces.  The scammer sent me images of other ones they "had".  Thankfully I did decline those non-existent pieces.  lol  I only chose to get scammed one time this time around.

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December 02, 2021, 04:25:03 PM
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CoinHeated, I'm sorry you got scammed and that you were treated unfairly. I see that you have purchased other items from other reputable sellers and things went smooth; therefore, I will leave you a trust feedback to help you out.

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December 02, 2021, 06:34:42 PM
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I want to send you out something to soften the blow a little.

I do greatly appreciate that, and if you wish to do that, that is awesome, but not required.  A few grand in BTC isn't going to ruin me, but it is a lot of money to me.  I'm no TheMoonCarl spending millions on low res jpgs.  lol. 

My very biggest thing in all of this is the severe frustrations I had when this began, and being limited by the non-copper membership, and then being stuck for the rest of the night last night not being able to send or post until the copper membership finally took effect.

Again, my biggest thing in all of this that is far more more important to me is reputation.  And having my DMs posted publicly showing I've not paid within only 15 hours of auction ending was rather damaging. 



Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.
Agreed. That's why I wrote "bidder(s)", seeing the other is also a very new account and well... things tend to happen.
That being said I didn't want to steal away anything here, just with how things often go I tried to secure my place in line.  Wink

Looks like this is indeed a sad case of the bidder getting scammed, sorry for your loss @CoinHeated. Hope there is any chance to track the stolen funds. Good luck.
PS: Also got a Exogenesis offer via pm already, thanks!

Well, I've already paid again, so unless I got scammed a second time, this should be mine.  Funds are long gone I'm sure.  I care less about that than I do than I do my reputation.

I guess be warned though about the PM offer for another one.  Could be a scam.  Happened to me.  I was also offered other Kialara pieces.  The scammer sent me images of other ones they "had".  Thankfully I did decline those non-existent pieces.  lol  I only chose to get scammed one time this time around.

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I sent you a private message requesting information to close the auction, thank you


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December 02, 2021, 06:52:46 PM
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Would it not go to the next higher bidder? Though your offer is higher - I think the proper thing to do is to award to next higher bidder.
Agreed. That's why I wrote "bidder(s)", seeing the other is also a very new account and well... things tend to happen.
That being said I didn't want to steal away anything here, just with how things often go I tried to secure my place in line.  Wink

Looks like this is indeed a sad case of the bidder getting scammed, sorry for your loss @CoinHeated. Hope there is any chance to track the stolen funds. Good luck.
PS: Also got a Exogenesis offer via pm already, thanks!

Gotcha! And good to see you here btw!

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December 02, 2021, 07:01:02 PM
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I sent you a private message requesting information to close the auction, thank you

I have replied to your PM
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December 02, 2021, 07:04:36 PM
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Hello CoinHeated,

Im sorry you got scammed, but I must ask.

When purchasing your Kialara why not insist upon using an escrow?

Why send the payment direct?

It sounds like you got socially engineered out of your BTC.

Can you elaborate on how this happened and who the user was that scammed you out of your BTC?

I would love to hear the whole story.




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December 02, 2021, 07:42:27 PM
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My rules are clear, but in this case I feel bad if he really was scammed by his mistake by not reading the auction rules, clarifying this.
I want to make it clear that I want to solve this as soon as possible, I have requested the user's postal address to be able to send the certified kialara

Waiting for a response from CoinHeated TO CLOSE THE AUCTION.

Thank you all for participating in the clarification of this unfortunate situation. I feel the offtopic
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December 02, 2021, 08:21:26 PM
Last edit: December 10, 2021, 09:03:55 AM by mprep
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Hello CoinHeated,

Im sorry you got scammed, but I must ask.

When purchasing your Kialara why not insist upon using an escrow?

Why send the payment direct?

It sounds like you got socially engineered out of your BTC.

Can you elaborate on how this happened and who the user was that scammed you out of your BTC?

I would love to hear the whole story.


Here is the whole story from my side of things. 

First, I've been in IT for over 25 years, and I am normally excellent at catching stuff like this.  It's very literally my job.  This is the second time in my entire life I have fallen victim to a scam.  The first happened when I was 21 and to be fair, I was extremely drunk.  This time, I was completely sober, so I have no excuse.

In general, my life is pretty good, so being out $1600 or so is a solid slap in the face, but it isn't a knock-out punch.  I was still coming off the "high" of winning a different Kialara piece as well as another coin at the Scarce City CoinfestUK auction.  Christmas is coming up, and I'm buying a new house tomorrow, plus a million other things.  So I wasn't at my top game.  It was the end of the night, winding down after a full day.

I'm on Twitter, I'm on Telegram, and many other places, and all as "Coinheated".  I'm a scammers dream target, but a tough one to nail.  So, let me break down how it all went.

I get a message on Telegram.  I use about 7 different communications platforms all day long, and it is tough to keep track of who is on which one and where things are coming from sometimes.  The scammer just said hi, and introduced themselves as the seller.  We talked for a good while.  Their English was at a very advanced level, and conversation was smooth and good.  Not going to lie, I had a nice time talking to whoever that was.

It's my first auction here, and I really should have read up further, but I am a sucker for a deal, and it struck me as a good deal, so I went with it.  And we have the beginning of the setup at that point.  Whoever it was that scammed me, did their homework.  No joke, it was top level, and just in that simple fact alone, I can respect the effort that took to pull off.  I do not however respect the outcome or the person.

So, next a day goes by and I'm thinking all is good, then I get the "pay within 24 hours or you get reported" starts in, and I honestly have no idea what is going on.  Becoming a bit frantic, I start replying more than normal.  I never had a reason to post a lot before, so the system flagged me for posting and messaging too much for my non-bronze level membership.  I first waited the one hour to see if I could at least send out one more message before the end of the night.  Denied still after 90 minutes, I bought the bronze, thinking it would let me reply again.  I waited another hour.  Logged out, logged in.  Tried incognito, and I still had the message limitations in place, so there was nothing more I could do other than go to bed for the night.

Then, this morning, I wake up to find I got put on blast having all the DMs posted here, which felt like an attack.

So, I've come to realize I've been had, and solid, and then find I'm now under attack.  And the only thing I ever wanted to do is to figure out what happened, get some help perhaps, and get the whole thing straightened out.  Instead, I was only met with the demands of paying within 24 hours or get reported.

So now I had a choice, knowing I've likely been scammed already, I have about 7 hours before the 24 hour timer is done.  Since I got absolutely nowhere in the first 17 hours, I didn't want to risk hitting the 24 hour limit and being reported with such a brand new account.  My reputation is far more important than a few grand.  So, today, against my better judgement, I paid again.  I am still awaiting absolute confirmation from the seller at this point that he now has indeed received the payment.  Otherwise I just got scammed a second time.  eh, life moves on regardless.



To the scammer:
Not going to lie, I'm not even mad, you were REALLY good.  Good enough that I'll give you another 0.0005 BTC more if you send an email to scammed@youarebeautiful.org , and 1: admit it was a scam, and 2: just tell me why.  Any reason is valid.  Could be "I hate people and I will take everyone's money I can".  OK.   You don't have to include any personal info, and you can send it from any anonymous email.


And so now I am left in the aftermath of this.  If it was just that I got scammed, I'd be bummed, but would have moved on.  But the combination of first getting scammed and then pressured to pay within 24 hours before I knew what was even going on has been very difficult to deal with.  I'll be more satisfied when I know 100% that the seller was paid in the correct manor and in the correct time.






My rules are clear, but in this case I feel bad if he really was scammed by his mistake by not reading the auction rules, clarifying this.
I want to make it clear that I want to solve this as soon as possible, I have requested the user's postal address to be able to send the certified kialara

Waiting for a response from CoinHeated TO CLOSE THE AUCTION.

Thank you all for participating in the clarification of this unfortunate situation. I feel the offtopic

yes, your rules are clear and I am not blaming you one bit in the matter.  I was only trying to figure out what I had actually done, and what I still needed to do to correct.  But with the limitations of the non-copper account, I was literally forced into silence for the rest of the night until I was allowed to reply again.

Right now, I am still waiting for you to completely confirm that you have indeed received payment.  With all the fiasco of this, I'd like it to be known publicly that I did indeed pay the auction correctly, and in the specified time frame.

I guess I don't know how to close the auction if there is something I have to do to confirm payment further?

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December 02, 2021, 08:30:45 PM
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CoinHeated, for the sake of yourself and the seller.

USE AN ESCROW

You are just asking to be scammed again for not using an escrow agent to facilitate the transaction.

Be careful and read my thread I wrote last week on this specific topic. I wish you would have seen my thread as that would have saved you from losing money.

Don't communicate deals off forum.

I would also advise not to continue contact with the scammer and especially don't send them them more money, you are only incentivizing them to hang around this forum.

My "Keep yourself safe" thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372993.0



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December 02, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
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User CoinHeated says that he has paid, these are the messages, as you can see there is no payment in the address that I have provided:
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https://www.blockchain.com/es/btc/address/bc1qaz7u2hly93lq09ap3xy4gh9u7q96kwcg4eerg0




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In the end, it is this post that I woke up to find that really got to me most.  Even going back and re-reading it, I'm just looking for answers, trying to find out what happened.  So I take this as a pretty serious attack, and since you were not willing to engage me at all in all of these chats so I could simply have sent you what the transaction proof was (even though it was wrong), you instead took it to public blast.  The most frustrating part, is posting right here by him, literally simply asking if he got the payment or not.  But instead of saying, I've not gotten any payment yet, let's work together and figure out what's going on.  I was simply told I had to pay again in 24 hours or I would be reported. 



CoinHeated, for the sake of yourself and the seller.

USE AN ESCROW

You are just asking to be scammed again for not using an escrow agent to facilitate the transaction.

Be careful and read my thread I wrote last week on this specific topic. I wish you would have seen my thread as that would have saved you from losing money.

Don't communicate deals off forum.

I would also advise not to continue contact with the scammer and especially don't send them them more money, you are only incentivizing them to hang around this forum.

My "Keep yourself safe" thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372993.0




I've ALREADY PAID again.  It's done.

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December 02, 2021, 08:47:15 PM
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CoinHeated, for the sake of yourself and the seller.

USE AN ESCROW

You are just asking to be scammed again for not using an escrow agent to facilitate the transaction.

Be careful and read my thread I wrote last week on this specific topic. I wish you would have seen my thread as that would have saved you from losing money.

Don't communicate deals off forum.

I would also advise not to continue contact with the scammer and especially don't send them them more money, you are only incentivizing them to hang around this forum.

My "Keep yourself safe" thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372993.0




I've ALREADY PAID again.  It's done.


It is obvious that the payment was received, the BTC address was published right here, seeking recognition of that is something absurd. But if you need to read that: Yes I have received payment after all this drama that you have created yourself.
Before claiming the payment in 24 hours, you told me that you had already sent the payment YESTERDAY, before the auction ended?  I can think of many things, right?

To avoid problems, we will use an intermediary in the shipment to check the part and forward it to its destination.
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Do you agree with this CoinHeated?

I pay the intermediary fee
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December 02, 2021, 08:51:53 PM
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I do mind acting as escrow - I would suggest for new people to always use escrow.

I will send a dm to both parties shortly.

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It is obvious that the payment was received, the BTC address was published right here, seeking recognition of that is something absurd. But if you need to read that: Yes I have received payment after all this drama that you have created yourself.
Before claiming the payment in 24 hours, you told me that you had already sent the payment YESTERDAY, before the auction ended?  I can think of many things, right?

To avoid problems, we will use an intermediary in the shipment to check the part and forward it to its destination.
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Do you agree with this CoinHeated?

I pay the intermediary fee

But you have to realize it is not obvious for me at this exact moment.  Because I did just get scammed, and even still, I just don't trust anything until it is said directly.  If I was dumb enough to send some scammer $1600 or so, then I put no trust in myself that I did anything else correctly.
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