Are Human capable of creating a deadly Virus?

[yazher]

Human has managed to successfully unlock things that haven't been discovered before and most of the time they take advantage of it to make a profit just like the owner of Anti-virus on computers, If they wanted to get some money from the people, they create their own malicious files that will cause some destruction to some computers that their anti-virus is the only capable of detecting it.

My point here is, Is this possible in the human being also where that suppliers of vaccines are the one who causes this mess? looks like everything is set up when countries already bought millions of dollars of vaccines, they tend to release another variant to cause panic to the people and give them no choice but to buy another upgraded vaccine from them.

What do you think about it guys?

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[Cnut237]

Is this possible in the human being also where that suppliers of vaccines are the one who causes this mess? looks like everything is set up when countries already bought millions of dollars of vaccines, they tend to release another variant to cause panic to the people and give them no choice but to buy another upgraded vaccine from them.

We can't absolutely rule out the lab leak theory, but a growing body of evidence suggests that the origin was natural, and it spread out from the wet market.
The latest credible document I've found about it comes from someone who was one of the signatories to the request earlier this year that an investigation into its origin be carried out, including the possibility of a lab leak. This does suggest he is quite impartial in the matter.

Obviously the tendency of China to want to hide everything lends weight to conspiracy theories, but China is like this in everything, not specifically the Covid virus.

[Gyfts]

We can't absolutely rule out the lab leak theory, but a growing body of evidence suggests that the origin was natural, and it spread out from the wet market

What evidence? Someone saying it was natural? China hasn't given out any evidence about its origins at all, and they didn't allow WHO to investigate for the obvious reason that it probably was not natural. It's been confirmed that bat coronavirus research was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and so what counter evidence would at all suggest that it was released from the wet market? Have they identified a patient zero? Have they even identified the exact wet market? Where is this growing body of evidence?

[mindrust]

Don't forget HIV was created by the humans also. So I believe we are definitely capable of creating such weapons. If you think this virus (covid19) occurred naturally, I'd say you are either too naive, too stupid or just plain evil.

There are multiple variants of cov-19 now and it is not even clear if the current vaccines are effective against them all. Omicron is the latest and the most dangerous one apparently and the govs starting to mandate vaccination on people. Australia already went full nazi on its people and Italy is in a very bad shape too. How do they even know if the vaccine works against the latest variants? These don't make any sense at all.

[cabron]

Don't forget HIV was created by the humans also. So I believe we are definitely capable of creating such weapons. If you think this virus (covid19) occurred naturally, I'd say you are either too naive, too stupid or just plain evil.

There are multiple variants of cov-19 now and it is not even clear if the current vaccines are effective against them all. Omicron is the latest and the most dangerous one apparently and the govs starting to mandate vaccination on people. Australia already went full nazi on its people and Italy is in a very bad shape too. How do they even know if the vaccine works against the latest variants? These don't make any sense at all.

There are several theories of the Covid19 being created in China but there are also outbreaks before that which comes from Fort Detrick. Today it's only the news that comes out and the battle of propaganda is the one we can only hear, there is no truth to any side of it.

Historically though FLU has always been the weakness of humans. Millions were wiped out with Spanish FLU. Covid19 is just a derivative of the FLU which still attacks our weakness so if anyone will find a way to wipe us all out in the world, they'd use the FLU as well. Yes, we are capable of creating deadly viruses just as how we could create ricin poison from castor beans.

[Cnut237]

What evidence? Someone saying it was natural? China hasn't given out any evidence about its origins at all, and they didn't allow WHO to investigate for the obvious reason that it probably was not natural. It's been confirmed that bat coronavirus research was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and so what counter evidence would at all suggest that it was released from the wet market? Have they identified a patient zero? Have they even identified the exact wet market? Where is this growing body of evidence?

Apologies, I should explain. When text appears blue, this means it links out to somewhere else. In this case, to a report of the latest study.
If you want another link, this time with pictures, then a similar article in the LA Times (that's a link) may be useful.



As I say though, nothing is proven yet... and maybe we will never have definitive proof either way. But I am interested in your reaction to my post. You seem quite emotionally invested in the 'lab leak' origin, despite the dearth of evidence. What is it that makes you so sure that this is the explanation? Can't we just look at the evidence before arriving at a decision? Personally I believe that a natural origin is more plausible, but I'm certainly not saying it can't have been a lab leak.

[Gyfts]

What evidence? Someone saying it was natural? China hasn't given out any evidence about its origins at all, and they didn't allow WHO to investigate for the obvious reason that it probably was not natural. It's been confirmed that bat coronavirus research was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and so what counter evidence would at all suggest that it was released from the wet market? Have they identified a patient zero? Have they even identified the exact wet market? Where is this growing body of evidence?

Apologies, I should explain. When text appears blue, this means it links out to somewhere else. In this case, to a report of the latest study.
If you want another link, this time with pictures, then a similar article in the LA Times (that's a link) may be useful.


As I say though, nothing is proven yet... and maybe we will never have definitive proof either way. But I am interested in your reaction to my post. You seem quite emotionally invested in the 'lab leak' origin, despite the dearth of evidence. What is it that makes you so sure that this is the explanation? Can't we just look at the evidence before arriving at a decision? Personally I believe that a natural origin is more plausible, but I'm certainly not saying it can't have been a lab leak.

The original link was a paywall'd article, but anyways, there wasn't any evidence in there regardless. You're giving the politically correct lefty view of where this virus came from, just not rooted in any evidence or any reality.

Here is China's Covid data - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Where they claim the initial outbreak occurred is as believable as their current Covid case load, complete nonsense. They kicked out any journalists from the country and silenced their own doctors from talking about the virus. Proximity of confirmed cases that the Chinese government themselves report is the weakest evidence for the origin of this virus. That doesn't tell you the origin. You characterized the wet market theory as being supported by a growing body of evidence, it's quite the opposite. More evidence is suggesting that it originated from a lab than anything else.

You seem quite emotionally invested in the 'lab leak' origin, despite the dearth of evidence

There is more evidence this originated in a lab than it did at a wet market, I figured you would have noticed that when linking the LA Times and WaPo, two far left pseudo journalist organizations, as sources.

Here is a good write up, by a left wing news outlet, in fact, which covers a lot of the odd coincidences of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and bat coronaviruses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/lab-leak-covid-origin-coincidence-wet-market/620794/ No paywall.

And here is another summary of the gain of function research involving bat coronaviruses - https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/lab-leak-pandemic-origins-even-messier/620209/

[shogun47]

Is this possible in the human being also where that suppliers of vaccines are the one who causes this mess? looks like everything is set up when countries already bought millions of dollars of vaccines, they tend to release another variant to cause panic to the people and give them no choice but to buy another upgraded vaccine from them.

We can't absolutely rule out the lab leak theory, but a growing body of evidence suggests that the origin was natural, and it spread out from the wet market.
The latest credible document I've found about it comes from someone who was one of the signatories to the request earlier this year that an investigation into its origin be carried out, including the possibility of a lab leak. This does suggest he is quite impartial in the matter.

Obviously the tendency of China to want to hide everything lends weight to conspiracy theories, but China is like this in everything, not specifically the Covid virus.

What about this video then? This does of course not ultimately prove that that specific virus came from the Wuhan Lab, but didn't the Chinese deny that there were bats in the first place? Only when an employee leaked some video material that clearly proved they are experimenting with bats did they respond to the allegations publicly. Why would they try to hide that fact in the first place? Another doubt I have is, do they even have control over the kinds of viruses that might develop due to their experimentation and manipulation of the animals? Could they guarantee that this specific type of virus that spread around the world is not from their laboratory? I would say it is at least suspicious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFdGkAFvW2U

As for someone being impartial, I think that is difficult to prove or disprove. When you are some guy from the WHO leading investigations in front of the eyes of one of the most powerful governments in the world, it is tough to be impartial.

The questions to this story are probably going to never get resolved. So many suspicious relationships, questionable funding of the lab and what not.

[Cnut237]

No paywall

Apologies, didn't realise you couldn't view the article.

the LA Times and WaPo, two far left pseudo journalist organizations

"Far left"? You mean almost indistinguishable from, say, North Korean TV? Really?

Here is a good write up, by a left wing news outlet, in fact, which covers a lot of the odd coincidences of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and bat coronaviruses.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/lab-leak-covid-origin-coincidence-wet-market/620794/ No paywall.

Yes, agreed, that's a sensible write up that covers all angles, and critiques the report. It does say:

China may well have an interest in withholding evidence for both pandemic-origin theories. (After all, each implies official negligence in its own way.)

... which I'd agree with entirely.

And in the concluding remarks:

I tend to think that the market theory has a bit more heft, based on what we know right now—but what we know right now remains limited to disclosures by Chinese authorities.

... again, reasonable. We don't know for certain, wet market appears somewhat more likely.

[Masplanc]

To me i don't think viruses are created intentionally by human,  some times virus can be created unintentionally maybe by mistake  when we do some experimental work. It doesn't make any sense for someone to invent a virus  that doesn't  have any benefits to mankind .

[Jet Cash]

They can't create a new virus from scratch, but they are able to use "gain of function" technology to modify an existing virus, or to stitch three or four together to create major alteration in the virus.Because the original wild virus was so different, and was far beyond the possibility  of evolutionary drift, it seems it is most likely to have  been a synthetic virus. The fact that so much "evidence" is being reported around Wuhan, and the fact that China is such a secretive nation, leads me to believe that its origins were elsewhere. In fact it seems that traces  of the  virus have been found in sewage sample from Italy and elsewhere, and these seem to predate the Chinese reports.

The latest theories on this topic are extremely interesting. The moronic (anagram of it name) virus contains a cocktail of most of the latest variants. The spike protein appears to be a retrograde evolution, and, which this can occur, it seems unlikely that all of these changes would appear suddenly in one variant. I am starting to suspect that it was created to replace all of the current variants very quickly, hence it high rate of infectivity, but to have a very minimal effect on the infected population. This could be used to conceal the dramatic failure of the current courses of injection pretending to be vaccinations, which have been stimulating the production of variants.

[Rruchi man]

Nothing is impossible to us humans, from inception till date, no accurate prediction about the nature of a person can say exactly what a person can or cannot do. If humans are capable of creating a deadly virus? i'd say why not...is it not the same humans that created the deadly nuclear weapons and other weapons capable of mass destruction for the purpose of killing, nothing stops them from engineering a virus for same purpose as well. Humans are more than capable of creating a deadly virus to kill.

[BADecker]

The interesting part is that every so-called virus has its counterpart exosome, one that is almost exactly the same as the virus. Maybe it even IS the virus, withdrawn from somebody in the lab, and tweaked a tiny bit to make it dangerous.

[yazher]

The latest theories on this topic are extremely interesting. The moronic (anagram of it name) virus contains a cocktail of most of the latest variants. The spike protein appears to be a retrograde evolution, and, which this can occur, it seems unlikely that all of these changes would appear suddenly in one variant. I am starting to suspect that it was created to replace all of the current variants very quickly, hence it high rate of infectivity, but to have a very minimal effect on the infected population. This could be used to conceal the dramatic failure of the current courses of injection pretending to be vaccinations, which have been stimulating the production of variants.

What you are saying right here actually makes sense and I'm having goosebumps as soon as I reached this line "This could be used to conceal the dramatic failure". These people who are behind this pandemic know exactly what they are doing and if it's true that they're just going to use this so-called new variant to cover their sins, then that would be another chaotic drama to the world.

Let's just hope that nothing like that would ever happen in the future and everything will finally be over after this one.

[Lordhermes]

Ofcourse yes! It is human who create virus.The ldeadly virus that almost destroyed the whole world know as Corona virus was created by human being to stand as a weapon against their opponent,but I wonder how human being think.How on earth can someone use something that is capable of killing everybody as a weapon,knowing fully well that it will affect him as well.

Those deadly disease are created in the Lab,tested and confirm how how deadly it will be,just to show how wicked humans can be.

[Smartvirus]

With the exceeding smartness of humans and the quest for a sovereign nation to have some level of dominance, individuals and nations of the world has been putting in lots of effort to find means to undo the other. One of these ways is true a higher military power and lately, biological weapons have been one of the discovered warfare that happens to be extreme in the destruction it could bring on its path.

It's no surprise that from time to time, we have strains of previously non-existing diseases amongst us. Some of the possibility could be linked to the conspiracy in OP, others could be completely by accident, some purposeful creation that went out of control or some mutated strains from its testing. In all this, one thing remains for sure, it has a human effort origin!

[teosanru]

Human has managed to successfully unlock things that haven't been discovered before and most of the time they take advantage of it to make a profit just like the owner of Anti-virus on computers, If they wanted to get some money from the people, they create their own malicious files that will cause some destruction to some computers that their anti-virus is the only capable of detecting it.

My point here is, Is this possible in the human being also where that suppliers of vaccines are the one who causes this mess? looks like everything is set up when countries already bought millions of dollars of vaccines, they tend to release another variant to cause panic to the people and give them no choice but to buy another upgraded vaccine from them.

What do you think about it guys?

Obviously yes, if humans can make these big weapons of Mass destruction and they can make such huge vaccines for these viruses so quickly, I don't think it's too difficult for any evil minded person to prepare for some sort of a lethal virus or biological weapon, but yes it's just that our bodies are really very smart they know how to trick viruses and nature knows how to isolate even the strongest of viruses, so I won't say this is a very easy task for anyone but if someone works with only this one intention with a lot of funding and big team of intellectual scientists, it's definitely not impossible.

[Ultegra134]

What evidence? Someone saying it was natural? China hasn't given out any evidence about its origins at all, and they didn't allow WHO to investigate for the obvious reason that it probably was not natural. It's been confirmed that bat coronavirus research was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and so what counter evidence would at all suggest that it was released from the wet market? Have they identified a patient zero? Have they even identified the exact wet market? Where is this growing body of evidence?

Apologies, I should explain. When text appears blue, this means it links out to somewhere else. In this case, to a report of the latest study.
If you want another link, this time with pictures, then a similar article in the LA Times (that's a link) may be useful.



As I say though, nothing is proven yet... and maybe we will never have definitive proof either way. But I am interested in your reaction to my post. You seem quite emotionally invested in the 'lab leak' origin, despite the dearth of evidence. What is it that makes you so sure that this is the explanation? Can't we just look at the evidence before arriving at a decision? Personally I believe that a natural origin is more plausible, but I'm certainly not saying it can't have been a lab leak.

While I don't doubt that the origin of the virus was natural, I've yet to read any update about whether it came from a laboratory or not, I'm not up-to-date with the latest news to be honest. I conducted research for my thesis a few months ago, and have stopped bothering too much honestly, I'd post it here, but it contains my personal information.

On the other hand, I believe that it was natural, and was expected that it would eventually happen, overpopulation, poor hygiene and living conditions in 3rd world countries is a recipe for disaster.

[Gyfts]

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It can still be natural and come from a lab, you know.

If China was experimenting with bat coronaviruses and one of the strains got released, its genome when sequenced will still suggest the virus was of natural origins, easily found in nature, perhaps evolutionarily linked to some other coronavirus. Question is whether the virus was made more transmissible by human intervention, also known as gain of function research which the NIH would have funded.

[suzanne5223]

It can still be natural and come from a lab, you know.

If China was experimenting with bat coronaviruses and one of the strains got released, its genome when sequenced will still suggest the virus was of natural origins, easily found in nature, perhaps evolutionarily linked to some other coronavirus.

This is what I also believe is the cause of the deadly virus because nothing just happens without a source and if we look back to the video of the Wuhan doctor the raised the alarm of the Covid-19 before the spread was out of control. I believe he's fully aware of the virus source.

Question is whether the virus was made more transmissible by human intervention, also known as gain of function research which the NIH would have funded.

Yes, I think in some situation the virus are made transmissible by human intervention which is what happen in China then when the Covid-19 victim spit their saliva on public use equipment.