Share your story: what would you do when vaccines get mandatory?

[drsnuggles]

Talks in Europe are mentioning a vaccine mandate for everyone. Germany and Austria plan to have it mandatory starting from 1st of February. Other countries worldwide could follow.

Imagine you don't have the covid vaccine and vaccines become mandatory. What would you do?

-Accept
-Flee
-Rebel
-Pay fine for each vaccine you miss
-?

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[suchmoon]

Imagine you don't have the covid vaccine

Why?

But if you really think you're wronged by the government, the only realistic option is to vote. All that "rebel" shit will be nipped in the bud as it always is.

[saddampbuh]

been ignoring the government all my life and never had any major issues, helps now that i have lots of cash and crypto but even when i didn't i was the same way

[LTU_btc]

I must say that I got two shots somewhere half year ago. But I'm not really fascinated about idea getting third, fourth shot and so on. Tow is already enough for me.
I got Covid19 last week, so, they won't be able to force to take vaccine in upcoming 6 or 7 months. or maybe few months longer if I will have antibodies after it.
But then, I don't really know what to do. I don't want to take vaccine at all, but also I don't want to be basically isolated from living normal life or leave job.
Rebel, I doubt it's going to help. From all these protests against covid restrictions around Europe, did they achieved something?
Flee? Ok, where?
Pay fine for not taking vaccine. Probably it's going to be big, but that's not main issue. Even if you will pay fine, without taking vaccine they won't let you to live normal life with all these restrictions.
If they really will make vaccine mandatory, I'm sure that big Black Market for covid passports will appear.

[BADecker]

The USA is different, although many people don't know it. Don't wait for the fake mandatory.

Right now file a notice that that my body is my body, belonging to nobody else. Anybody for any reason who manipulates and/or controls my body without my authorization, is required to put up a warranty bond to the tune of $500,000,000 for any harm, accidental or otherwise, that they do to my body or mind while in their custody.

If they are going to inject anything into my body without authorization, that bond goes to $500,000,000,000 if it is found to have been one of the Covid vaccines or booster shots.

Come on. Pay the fee for freedom. Give them their $200 or $300 to record the notice. Make a little money for your State. Then send copies of a certified copy of the notice to all local law enforcement in your State... maybe to ALL law enforcement in your State. Get friends and neighbors to do it, and to even do States around the one you live in.

This isn't a fight against Covid. This is a fight to maintain freedom. And it is a legal one. You as a man or woman have the right to protect yourself against unlawful laws and mandates.

Do this now, and when the mandates come, file a copy of your notice against the man or woman mandating in your State, and get some money-in-hand from them right at the start.



In addition, any of you who have a good idea of what to do now on the legal end rather than the "demonstration" end of things, please post the details here and in their own thread if appropriate.

[drsnuggles]

Thanks for all the replies so far. Let me summarize:

@suchmoon suggests to vote different. Sounds indeed very useful if you happen to have an election or referendum in the upcoming months.

@saddampbuh suggests to just ignore the government. That sounds as the most peaceful option.

@LTU_btc suggests to just accept the QR society and buy a code on the black market.

@BADecker suggest to file a notice that claims your body belongs to yourself. I wonder what the protection is this will give you.


I was more looking into countries that have a more libertarian mindset. A quick search shows the list needs to he updated . https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/libertarian-countries

[LTU_btc]

@LTU_btc suggests to just accept the QR society and buy a code on the black market.

Well, I didn't said that. My thought is that if governments will make vaccination mandatory, black market for vaccine passpprts will be big. It's difficult to expect that even with mandatory vaccination 100% of people will take vaccine. Even now some are trying to get fake passports.

[drsnuggles]

@LTU_btc suggests to just accept the QR society and buy a code on the black market.

Well, I didn't said that. My thought is that if governments will make vaccination mandatory, black market for vaccine passpprts will be big. It's difficult to expect that even with mandatory vaccination 100% of people will take vaccine. Even now some are trying to get fake passports.

Yeah sorry, my summary wasn't exactly what you said. Would you accept a QR society, assuming you can get all the fake passports you need?

[LTU_btc]

Yeah sorry, my summary wasn't exactly what you said. Would you accept a QR society, assuming you can get all the fake passports you need?

I'm not sure yet, it's not easy question. I don't really want to get another vaccine shot. But getting fake vaccine passport will be quite risky - if you will be caught, you're in big trouble. I think you can even get into jail for it.
I think such questions like mandatory vaccination should be answered in referendum, but it's obvious that government isn't going to ask people's opinion about it.

[tvbcof]

@LTU_btc suggests to just accept the QR society and buy a code on the black market.

Well, I didn't said that. My thought is that if governments will make vaccination mandatory, black market for vaccine passpprts will be big. It's difficult to expect that even with mandatory vaccination 100% of people will take vaccine. Even now some are trying to get fake passports.

'Fake passports' are exactly what 'they' want.  May work for a quarter or two, but it leads all of society into the trap.  Namely, an excuse for biometric ID methods which make cheating impossible, and more importantly, will be the foundation for total monitoring and control of all important biological processes.  99.999% of the population will be literally meat robots and can be selectively experimented on and generally played with, raped, culled, etc, with as much discrimination as is desired.

[BernyJB]

I find it mystifying to see how much people care about the government, or about this or that becoming "mandatory".
Does anybody give any thought to the fact that you might DIE from covid?
I have two dear friends who got covid. Husband and wife. Husband got it at work, and contagied her. Fortunately, they both survived it, but they both got sequels for the rest of their lives.
So, who cares what the government says? If they PROVIDE the vaccine, I will provide my arm. And no "rebellious" BS  or stupid conspiracy theory will change that.
Despite what all the "Internet Infectologists" keep saying, I have already gotten both doses of the vaccine, and I'm still very much alive and kicking. So I rather trust the real experts.

[Tash]

Very simple fight it in court

Legal definition of mandate
https://www.librti.com/page/view-video?id=1002

Demand proof of Sars-cov-2 existence aka isolation
Court case dismissed (Patrick King -vs- the Queen)
https://tinyurl.com/4k4xv6hn

To this day nobody claimed the €1.5 million euro reward proofing such a virus exists.
https://www.samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/

Irish government unable to produce (Dec 2020)
https://www.brighteon.com/d20607a4-6bc2-43a4-9ea0-9604479b0a5b

No evidence that this virus was ever isolated, aka exists.
https://q17.ca/become-ungovernable/Documents/EXHIBIT%201%20UPDATED%20NOVEMBER%209%202021%20CMs%2033%20Canadian%20FOI%20responses%20from%2029%20institutions%20COMPRESS

Using Koch's postulates and their updated version shows the only way that we can get the info without contamination: http://hedrick.ucsd.edu/BICD136/Lectures/Lecture16-Denialists.pdf.

You can also check my sig and find out what real scientist say about the toxic junk shots

[NotFuzzyWarm]

I find it mystifying to see how much people care about the government, or about this or that becoming "mandatory".
Does anybody give any thought to the fact that you might DIE from covid?
I have two dear friends who got covid. Husband and wife. Husband got it at work, and contagied her. Fortunately, they both survived it, but they both got sequels for the rest of their lives.
So, who cares what the government says? If they PROVIDE the vaccine, I will provide my arm. And no "rebellious" BS  or stupid conspiracy theory will change that.
Despite what all the "Internet Infectologists" keep saying, I have already gotten both doses of the vaccine, and I'm still very much alive and kicking. So I rather trust the real experts.

Ditto. My GF and I will be getting Moderna booster shots next month.

[Gyfts]

The extent of the vaccine "mandates" will be public shame mostly, isolating the vaxxed and the unvaxxed and pestering the unvaxxed population into conformity. Any "rebellion" that will come from these people will be little to nothing. In fact, most of the people that need the vaccine that refuse to get it are already disgustingly unhealthy, hardly mobile, so I don't expect these land masses to be at the forefront of the revolution.

Australia is so far the most authoritarian, they are gathering up the infected and locking them up in "camps." And so far, their population is accepting it as the new normal. If the Australians are indicative of how anyone else in the world will react, expect nothing.

[drsnuggles]

Alright, let's make another summary to get things straight:

@BernyJB & NotFuzzyWarm : accept a vaccine because it helps you not dying from Covid. So maybe my fear levels for covid are not high enough.

@Tash: fight in court. One way of Rebellion I would say.

@Gyfts: a prediction: don't expect revolution from unvaxxed people who need the vaccine. But what about those unvaxxed who don't need the vaccine?

[saddampbuh]

I find it mystifying to see how much people care about the government, or about this or that becoming "mandatory".
Does anybody give any thought to the fact that you might DIE from covid?
I have two dear friends who got covid. Husband and wife. Husband got it at work, and contagied her. Fortunately, they both survived it, but they both got sequels for the rest of their lives.
So, who cares what the government says? If they PROVIDE the vaccine, I will provide my arm. And no "rebellious" BS  or stupid conspiracy theory will change that.
Despite what all the "Internet Infectologists" keep saying, I have already gotten both doses of the vaccine, and I'm still very much alive and kicking. So I rather trust the real experts.

because we now know that natural immunity provides better protection than the vaccines in most age groups and people shouldn't be forced to have medical treatment they don't need

i'm not a conspiracy theorist, i've had two shots of vaccine, no boosters yet and as more data is released i'm becoming increasingly mistrustful, looks for the elderly/sickly it probably still makes sense to get the vaccine as you have a much higher chance of not making it through one round of covid but the rest of us don't need it, for the under 20s it looks like the (admittedly very low) chance of serious adverse reactions to the vaccine is a bigger risk than catching covid, take it or don't take it, but we should be able to make the choice without compulsion in either direction

[Rruchi man]

The way there are so many theories and discussions as to what to do about the covid vaccine makes me wonder if that was how there were so many conspiracy theories surrounding other vaccines at the time they were first discovered and cleared for usage. If the vaccines get mandatory, most people including myself will take it and that's the truth, if it gets to that, refusal to take it  will be considered definitely as an act to put the general public at risk and because how easily the virus spreads, that is something the governments will want to guide against.

[Gyfts]

@Gyfts: a prediction: don't expect revolution from unvaxxed people who need the vaccine. But what about those unvaxxed who don't need the vaccine?

My theory is that the group of those unvaxxed that don't need the vax are so small that any rebellion effort would be squashed immediately. And really, the only place where you actually "fight back" are in democratic societies through legislative efforts. I'm only suggesting that the ones that are crazy enough to get violent in their efforts are those that are in such poor health, a flight of stairs would result in cardiac arrest. So we don't need to worry about those folks.

Now, if the common sensed vaxxed population who believes in personal choice and freedoms come together with the unvaxxed crowd, you have a decent chance at defeating mandates. But given how polarizing this is, hardly any of those people left.

[lottery248]

Very simple fight it in court

Legal definition of mandate
https://www.librti.com/page/view-video?id=1002

Demand proof of Sars-cov-2 existence aka isolation
Court case dismissed (Patrick King -vs- the Queen)
https://tinyurl.com/4k4xv6hn

To this day nobody claimed the €1.5 million euro reward proofing such a virus exists.
https://www.samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/

Irish government unable to produce (Dec 2020)
https://www.brighteon.com/d20607a4-6bc2-43a4-9ea0-9604479b0a5b

No evidence that this virus was ever isolated, aka exists.
https://q17.ca/become-ungovernable/Documents/EXHIBIT%201%20UPDATED%20NOVEMBER%209%202021%20CMs%2033%20Canadian%20FOI%20responses%20from%2029%20institutions%20COMPRESS

Using Koch's postulates and their updated version shows the only way that we can get the info without contamination: http://hedrick.ucsd.edu/BICD136/Lectures/Lecture16-Denialists.pdf.

You can also check my sig and find out what real scientists say about the toxic junk shots

+1. mandatory vaccination is against basic human rights. before COVID, have we ever had this kind of forces just to "protect from viruses"? plus, you are subject to a ban if you talk about alternative solutions such as hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin (some suggest that those were censored for off-patent but work better than vaccines).

[Tash]

Very simple fight it in court

Legal definition of mandate
https://www.librti.com/page/view-video?id=1002

Demand proof of Sars-cov-2 existence aka isolation
Court case dismissed (Patrick King -vs- the Queen)
https://tinyurl.com/4k4xv6hn

To this day nobody claimed the €1.5 million euro reward proofing such a virus exists.
https://www.samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/

Irish government unable to produce (Dec 2020)
https://www.brighteon.com/d20607a4-6bc2-43a4-9ea0-9604479b0a5b

No evidence that this virus was ever isolated, aka exists.
https://q17.ca/become-ungovernable/Documents/EXHIBIT%201%20UPDATED%20NOVEMBER%209%202021%20CMs%2033%20Canadian%20FOI%20responses%20from%2029%20institutions%20COMPRESS

Using Koch's postulates and their updated version shows the only way that we can get the info without contamination: http://hedrick.ucsd.edu/BICD136/Lectures/Lecture16-Denialists.pdf.

You can also check my sig and find out what real scientists say about the toxic junk shots

+1. mandatory vaccination is against basic human rights. before COVID, have we ever had this kind of forces just to "protect from viruses"? plus, you are subject to a ban if you talk about alternative solutions such as hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin (some suggest that those were censored for off-patent but work better than vaccines).

Exactly

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

In 1948, the issue of the right to "conscience" was dealt with by the United Nations General Assembly in Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It reads:

    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 32 of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV

“mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person” are prohibited.

Nuremburg Codes also not allow Mandatory vaccination

Nuremburg Code #1: Voluntary Consent is Essential
No person should be forced to take a medical experiment without informed consent.

Nuremburg Code #2: Yield Fruitful Results Unprocurable By Other Means
The gene-therapy does not meet the criteria of a vaccine and does not offer immunity to the virus.

Nuremburg Code #3: Base Experiments on Results of Animal Experimentation and Natural History of Disease
This gene-therapy skipped animal testing and went straight to human trials

Nuremburg Code #4: Avoid All Unnecessary Suffering and Injury
Since the rollout of the U.S. experiment, the CDC VAERS reporting system cited lots of deaths and vaccine injuries. Same in EU and rest of world.
This is a grievous violation of this code.

Nuremburg Code #5: No Experiment to be Conducted if There’s Reason to Think Injury or Death Will Occur
Based on the aforementioned deaths and side effects, this “gene-therapy” is injurious and must be banned.

Nuremburg Code #6: Risk Should Never Exceed the Benefit
COVID-19 has a 98-99% recovery rate. The vaccine deaths and adverse side-effects recklessly compete against this high natural recovery rate

Nuremburg Code #7: Preparation Must Be Made Against Even Remote Possibility of Injury, Disability or Death
There were no preparations made by Pfizer, Moderna or its backers.

Nuremburg Code #8: Experiment Must Be Conducted by Scientifically Qualified Persons
Politicians, media, and Hollywood actors claimed that these vaccines were “safe and effective,” but they were not qualified to judge.

Nuremburg Code #9: Anyone Must Have the Freedom to Bring the Experiment to an End At Any Time
Despite the outcry from more than 85,000 doctors, nurses, virologists, and epidemiologist, the experiment is not ending

Nuremburg Code #10: The Scientist Must Bring the Experiment to an End At Any Time if There’s Probable Cause of it Resulting in Injury or Death
It is clear in the statistical reporting data that this experiment is resulting in deaths and injuries. Yet all the politicians, drug companies, and so-called “experts,” are not making an

Furthermore, to have any scientific significance a "gold standard" is required. In this case someone unvaccinated. You must be able to compare against, messure. x is better, longer as y.
It is also a fact some people with "green covid card" did receive a saline injection.

Lets not forget the fact vaccines are patented  and anyone who is vaccineted falls under the definition of trans human.

History, similarities between Jews in WW2 and the unvaccinated today told by an Auschwitz survivor!
https://odysee.com/@realworldnews:d/similarities-between-jews-in-ww2-and-the-unvaccinated:9

Oh the good old days, no face mask needed. ...