Self Moderated Thread for New Books

[Ryker1]

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The site that you mentioned is new right? It is one of the reason why I do play and jump from one casino to another. I prefer playing on those that has really good reputation. Sorry for your lost. gl.

Well right, --that is the reason why I did not gamble on a new gambling casino, aside from that, they are many buggies too that make you annoyed upon playing on their casino. I don't like to comment in ANN thread that has moderated because it means they are not transparent to the community. A company like that should not gain any on this community because they are acting very weird and smell like they had something to hide. Suspicious gambling casinos should not be used, let them operate without players.

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[Erdogan]

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The site that you mentioned is new right? It is one of the reason why I do play and jump from one casino to another. I prefer playing on those that has really good reputation. Sorry for your lost. gl.

Well right, --that is the reason why I did not gamble on a new gambling casino, aside from that, they are many buggies too that make you annoyed upon playing on their casino. I don't like to comment in ANN thread that has moderated because it means they are not transparent to the community. A company like that should not gain any on this community because they are acting very weird and smell like they had something to hide. Suspicious gambling casinos should not be used, let them operate without players.

Just because thread is self moderated does not mean the casino or bookmaker is a cheat. Bitcasino.io it also has a self moderated thread and is an honest gambling platform.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4541166.0

The possibility of creating moderated threads is to keep the conversation in order. Let's wait for a reply from 4444sport and hope it's just a misunderstanding and money will be refunded.

[hyudien]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience in the new site, yes it is really unfortunate to see the fact how they serve you as a player.
What they did is not professional at all, but I hope you'll get your money as soon as possible.
From now on, it is a warning to all members in this forum or to anyone who read this thread to avoid depositing in the site.
At least until they can prove that they are legit site and change their bad behavior to their own player.

Therefore, gambling at a casino with a reputation above 4 stars will be very useful in the future if at any time what the OP is experiencing is easier to deal with. We learn that the assessment of the casino is truly one of the benchmarks that we must follow, at least not to make the money we bet lose without accountability from the casino.

[bitgov]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience in the new site, yes it is really unfortunate to see the fact how they serve you as a player.
What they did is not professional at all, but I hope you'll get your money as soon as possible.
From now on, it is a warning to all members in this forum or to anyone who read this thread to avoid depositing in the site.
At least until they can prove that they are legit site and change their bad behavior to their own player.

Therefore, gambling at a casino with a reputation above 4 stars will be very useful in the future if at any time what the OP is experiencing is easier to deal with. We learn that the assessment of the casino is truly one of the benchmarks that we must follow, at least not to make the money we bet lose without accountability from the casino.

It takes some time to judge a casino or bookmaker. In this case it is a very new bookmaker, so we still don't know what quality their services are.
The bookmaker didn't say the bets were canceled, just that they are still checking the bets. Let's give him some time to sort things out and it might be okay.

[brassnuts]

It's highly unlikely that I will see any money. Like I said before, there is not a single confirmed withdrawal from 4444 at all. They have spent a week to 'verify' the bets and have not even thought to send me an email about it. The other guy complaining in their old thread was told his bets were voided and they would send back his initial deposit, and so far 4 days later he has not received a thing.

You would think after all this drama they would see to these issues as a matter of priority. The reason they don't is because they are just a scam site, deleting any negativity from their current thread to give the image of being a fair book, so they can grab any funds that are deposited by the unsuspecting.

Their Costa Rica license is just words typed on the page. Costa Rican licenses are not even a thing as far as I can tell. There is no link to their license when you click, as there are with most other licenses.

Even if I were to receive some money back, it would only be my deposit, as they will come up with some strange excuse to void all of my bets. It will also take another week or 2 to sort any issue out, maybe longer, because they either need to grab a few more $ and run, or at best ponzi some $ to me for my deposit back so that they hope the drama will die down and they can attempt to steal from more people.

Any player even slightly supporting them at this point is a guaranteed shill, and it's no surprise that most of those that do have negative trust ratings.

[Adzivu]

I find it strange that they  sent me a PM on November 19th asking to check out their platform and offering me 5€, without me even once posting in their thread.
My first thought was that they are the same guy/group that was behind "Adkinsbet".

First they had a normal thread, then after a lot of complaints made one that was self moderated.
+ most of the adkinsbet shills are now 1xbet shills and are also defending 4444sport.

[acroman08]

I find it strange that they  sent me a PM on November 19th asking to check out their platform and offering me 5€, without me even once posting in their thread.

yep, it was a stupid thing to do, they are lucky that no one reported what they did or if someone did report their unsolicited PMs, the mods let it pass.

First they had a normal thread, then after a lot of complaints made one that was self moderated.

I'd understand if it was due to spam, troll, etc... but seeing that they deleted any post that has something against them only shows that they don't want people to see the issue people experience on their website. I hope they realize that the issues that they try to hide can be used to build their reputation if they responded/resolve it properly.

[Adzivu]

I reported that PM to the mods.
They did nothing.

[hyudien]

I reported that PM to the mods.
They did nothing.

The mod has a lot of messages and tasks that will definitely take some time to respond to your reports. So I hope you are patient and don't send too many messages to the Mod. It will just be considered spam and ignored. If they have time, they will definitely follow up on your case as it should, according to valid data. but so far I think since this is getting too long and time consuming, maybe you should just take suggestions first. No one really guarantees 100% of your money back.

[Erdogan]

It's true that 4444sport is a new bookmaker, but from what I've seen, there were only two complaints and one of them has already been positively considered. I find it too radical to call someone a scammer because too long has been researching the case.

[Eureka_07]

It's true that 4444sport is a new bookmaker, but from what I've seen, there were only two complaints and one of them has already been positively considered. I find it too radical to call someone a scammer because too long has been researching the case.

They are deleting posts on their thread even though users are just asking on what is happening on those cases, most particularly, to that not processed withdrawal for more than a week now.
Isn't it suspicious that they created a self-moderated thread?

[mindrust]

I almost never post in those self-modded threads. It doesn't make sense. The OP will just remove the posts which he don't like and push his own propaganda. If there is a scam going on however, you can always create a flag, a scam accusation thread or/and give a negative feedback to the account in question.

Sometimes even these won't stop the scammers sadly. Look how 1xbit operates. People threw them all the shit and yet they give zero fucks.

[brassnuts]

It's true that 4444sport is a new bookmaker, but from what I've seen, there were only two complaints and one of them has already been positively considered. I find it too radical to call someone a scammer because too long has been researching the case.

It was not 'positively considered'. The customer in question has stated in their new thread that he never received that withdrawal, and every time he mentions it they just delete his comments.

There is still no positive confirmation of any withdrawal whatsoever from 4444sport. Just complaints and lots of comments being deleted. Please, wake up.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

I almost never post in those self-modded threads. It doesn't make sense. The OP will just remove the posts which he don't like and push his own propaganda. If there is a scam going on however, you can always create a flag, a scam accusation thread or/and give a negative feedback to the account in question.

Sometimes even these won't stop the scammers sadly. Look how 1xbit operates. People threw them all the shit and yet they give zero fucks.

Also, I don't like self moderated threads when it comes to projects. However, I have noticed that more and more attacks by trolls, which just for fun, just to irritate people and destroy normal discussion. Hopefully the owner intent was to get rid of the trolls and the OP will get back the locked account and money.

Edit - I must admit I'm surprised. I wrote this post in the thread 4444sport but don't know why it was deleted

I think it is possible to make 300 bets in a few days when someone is betting on a lot of events or matches mainly on live betting.

It seems that the time of waiting for verification of this 300 bets is the most controversial at the moment. My guess is that only when you finish it will you know exactly how long it takes, but are you now able to give an estimate of the time or is it still impossible?

[AicecreaME]

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?

The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.

Now, I have had an issue with 4444sport recently where they simply delete any attempt at communication from their 3rd thread in as many weeks. Effectively they can completely remove any legitimate complaints and have the appearance of a normal, fair book. They are no such thing, it is quite clear. Even more worrying is the fact that once all negativity is removed unsuspecting forum users may end up depositing on these type of websites and just pour their money down the drain, entirely enabled by the self moderated thread system here on this board.

This is an extraordinarily serious issue and should absolutely be looked at hastily.

I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

It's the cons of a self-moderated thread. The moderator can do whatever they want from their thread and that includes deleting all the negative feedbacks and complaints to them. It's pretty much common. Everything that they see that they don't like or which seems to be not fit in the thread, they will remove it in an instant without you having to do anything with it because their thread, their rules apparently.

Now, if that thread has been proven to be harmful and spreads fake news or whatnots and you feel like it violates your right as a member in this forum, I suggest you escalate it to those who has the power to investigate the issue. I think even self-moderated thread can still be investigated upon most especially if it really overtakes its boundaries. You can post in scams and accusations together with your evidences that they keep on doing what you are claiming to do, and it affects you and others negatively. I think they can make some action for that. But really, that's what we will really usually get with self-moderated threads here. It could be a bit off, unfair, and offensive, most especially if you are raising a complaint or you just want to make other people aware of the disadvantages, but that's it. Just do necessary actions if you feel like doing so. I guess other people have done that as well before up until today. You may check out the board I just gave.

[Kakmakr]

It is all good and well that we can create scam accusations threads, but the question is... "Do anyone visit the scam accusation section"? They will go to the gambling section of this forum to look for new sites and they will see a "cleansed" version of the thread for that casino.

People should rather "report" the OP of those threads ..so that they could be "red flagged" when people visit those threads. (The red trust will make people think twice, before they accept anything that they see in that thread.)

You should still open a scam accusation thread .. because the person might search or Google the "site + scam" and find your thread. Just make sure you are 100% sure of your facts, before you open that thread.. because people will scrutinize it. Some people misuse that section because they lost a lot of money and they want to burn the reputation of the casino where they lost the money.. or competitors will use Alts to eliminate the competition. 

[brassnuts]

When I went to make a scam thread there was already one up warning others to be cautious with 4444. The thread gained some traction and the 4444 thread now has a warning flag and the OP has a lot of negative trust now. It's the best we can do atm it seems.

EDIT: The thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375673.0

[dustboy]

When I went to make a scam thread there was already one up warning others to be cautious with 4444. The thread gained some traction and the 4444 thread now has a warning flag and the OP has a lot of negative trust now. It's the best we can do atm it seems.

EDIT: The thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375673.0

By the way, would you mind to share how much is your pending withdrawal? Is it something really big or not that big? I cant understand why they take so long time to verify all your bets. I know you made hundreds bets (as what they claim), but I do not think all those bets need to be verified. It is reasonable to verify some but it seems they are verifying all (in case they are doing it).

[brassnuts]

By the way, would you mind to share how much is your pending withdrawal? Is it something really big or not that big? I cant understand why they take so long time to verify all your bets. I know you made hundreds bets (as what they claim), but I do not think all those bets need to be verified. It is reasonable to verify some but it seems they are verifying all (in case they are doing it).

I deposited $800 and managed to turn it into around $5000. I ran hot on my big bets. I am not surprised they want to stop me withdrawing as it's a big hit to a new book, and from what some one mentioned to me, this book probably does not even have that much money to send to me. So in a way I had some sympathy at the time, but I have none now as they communicated with me on one occasion and have completely ceased since.

There was nothing fishy about my bets fwiw. I can post all of them on here.

[4444sport.com]

By the way, would you mind to share how much is your pending withdrawal? Is it something really big or not that big? I cant understand why they take so long time to verify all your bets. I know you made hundreds bets (as what they claim), but I do not think all those bets need to be verified. It is reasonable to verify some but it seems they are verifying all (in case they are doing it).

I deposited $800 and managed to turn it into around $5000. I ran hot on my big bets. I am not surprised they want to stop me withdrawing as it's a big hit to a new book, and from what some one mentioned to me, this book probably does not even have that much money to send to me. So in a way I had some sympathy at the time, but I have none now as they communicated with me on one occasion and have completely ceased since.

There was nothing fishy about my bets fwiw. I can post all of them on here.

This user cheated on our site. We can not enclose any technical details, since other people would be able to cheat as well on this.
I think everybody already suspected this, since the user made sure he turned 800$ into 5500$.
We faced damage from this cheating behaviour from customers, to the amount from user Brassnuts has been confiscated.


Please check section 3.1 E in our Terms:
Suspend and/or cancel the participation of the Account Holder in the Services, and/or forfeit and/or confiscate funds available on their 4444sport Account if the Account Holder is found cheating, or if it is determined by 4444sport that the Account Holder has employed or made use of a system (including machines, robots, computers, software or any other automated system) designed to defeat or capable of defeating the Client Application and/or Software.