Interesting facts about the merit system

[_BlackStar]

I thought it was interesting to discuss when I just realized that merit senders are mostly dominated by signature campaign participants ^{[bitcoin payments]} compared to bounty campaign participant ^{[token or coin payments].} Check every profile of the Top 200 merit senders in this thread, you know the facts.


This fact does not necessarily prove that there is not a single bounty hunter who does not care about the merit system because I think some of them still care about the quality of posts and the merit system. Honestly, most of the spam reports I send to moderators are posts made by bounty hunters, they dominate the list of users spammers compared to bitcoin paid signature campaign participant.


So this fact just proves that this dominance is the reason why signature campaign participant are much more likely to gain merit and rank up than bounty hunters. The main factor remain because of the quality of the posts, so it's only natural that bounty hunters always have trouble getting merit and rank up.

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

[ShowOff]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

If a spammer never stops posting spam which ends up getting moderators to delete a lot of their posts, then I think a signature ban or temporary ban deserves them. The merit system is actually very helpful for qualified users to rank up "if the ranking is still low" regardless of whether they are bounty hunters or other signature campaign participants.

You may have noticed when you are also a participant in a signature campaign that the campaign manager requires you to have high quality posts and this may differ from many bounty managers. They pay more participants for quantity than quality of posts and this has been the case for a long time. Some managers may care about the quality of the bounty participants' posts, and they warn the participants and I think that is only done by managers with high reputations while others don't.

[Porfirii]

You may have noticed when you are also a participant in a signature campaign that the campaign manager requires you to have high quality posts and this may differ from many bounty managers.

Linked to this, I really think that managers should ask for a higher amount of merits earned in the last 120 days in order to be accepted in any signature or bounty campaign.

As far as I know, the average number of merits needed to participate (if any) is 5, which is ridiculous.

I'm not saying that they should ask for 100+, but Jesus! 5 merits in 120 days is very, very low, at least for Full Members or higher ranks.

[Mpamaegbu]

I think the reason for more merited users in Bitcoin campaigns than alt campaigns is basically simple – bounty hunters don't really put much efforts in their posts like those in Bitcoin paying campaigns and as such don't attract much following and reading. I ain't sure most bounty managers even take out time to go through posts made by those who promote their products. I'm referring to on–forum posts by signature bounties. Personally, I had on few occasions tried to merit some users who had over 200 activities and posts but zero merit. Upon checking their post history I discovered that there was no post deserving of being merited as virtually all were bounty posts and weekly reports. Only a few bounty participants make it a point of duty to write constructively.

[Stalker22]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

In my opinion, campaign managers should play a major role in controlling the quality of posts. Since I have never participated in any of these altcoins campaigns, I do not know who the managers are, but if they applied better quality control, I think the amount of spam would be significantly reduced.
It would be interesting to see a comparison between these managers and the amount of merits shared among participants in their campaigns.

[Magicalking]

Bounty hunters don't need merits to participate in bounties, they do not even need to make quality posts to get paid. There is more competition for signature campaigns, it is survival of the fittest. The way to increase one's chances of being accepted in a good sign campaign is quality posting and merits. A campaign manager won't consider a user with 7 merits earned in last 120 days over another with say 40 merits. The rules and requirements of sig campaigns help prevent spam, some managers count only constructive posts so it all boils down to the manager

[PrimeNumber7]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

Have you considered who has available sMerit to send? Have you also considered the number of posts made by each category of users?

I obviously have not seen the specific data you are looking at to make your conclusions, however, I suspect one group has much more sMerit available to spend than the other group.

[sheenshane]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

The manager should check their quality post that might change their posting behavior.
There are some scenarios that a bounty hunter will spam and be forced to complete the weekly quota because they had multiple accounts, they can't able to put some effort into their posts that result from spam.

To reduce the spam post it could be by helping with us.  Just report to the moderator if there's an irrelevant, off-topic, and nonsense post that results in spam, in that way, we can help moderators to take action quickly of those reports.  But of course, bounty managers should always be the first addressed to this question.

Paid Bitcoin signature members have got many eyes to them, if you didn't have a constructive post it might you will be reported and have a chance to be kicked on the signature campaign.  There are many users waiting for the free slots on the paid Bitcoin signature campaign, so most likely they will put effort to maintain their position.  Not like in bounty signature.

[tranthidung]

I thought it was interesting to discuss when I just realized that merit senders are mostly dominated by signature campaign participants ^{[bitcoin payments]} compared to bounty campaign participant ^{[token or coin payments].} Check every profile of the Top 200 merit senders in this thread, you know the facts.

Because of two main reasons

• They are mostly from top merit earners
• Many of them are merit sources

This fact does not necessarily prove that there is not a single bounty hunter who does not care about the merit system because I think some of them still care about the quality of posts and the merit system.

There are very little good posters from bounties. I don't say all participants in bounties are shit posters but it is very hard to find good posters amongst thousands of bounty hunters

Bounty managers don't require minimum earned merits to join and they even accept newbies. It is most common reason. You give shit posters chance to join and earn, so why do they have to care about their post quality and merit?

[libert19]

Usual bounties in alt section don't care about quality but quantity while BTC paying bounties are strict, they would kick you out if your post quality is not enough. Also, these BTC paying bounties are reserved for high ranked members who have proved themselves before.

[Jawhead999]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

This is easy... just remove altcoins sections, but I don't think theymos would do that since surely it will reduce traffic in this forum. It's true that this forum doesn't need shitposter and spammer, but the forum still need traffic otherwise it similar like in Serious discussion or Off topic sections.

There're many good poster aren't active again (one of them has passed away too) e.g. TECHSHARE, Vod, Lauda, gentlemand, TMAN, Brewmaster, TheNewAnon135246, marlboroza, Last of the V8s and many more I can't remember. We can't do much about it just use report to moderator.

[Luzin]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

At least the Merit system has reduced some Spamers. Even if it's not very effective. Actually the first orientation on the new members must be straightened out. They only have a money-making orientation.
The false start makes it difficult to eliminate. I myself also saw in other forums, the spamer must be there. I think if all members care, it can start with yourself by using the moderator report feature. If everyone cares at least it will help the moderator to delete it, so the author should be aware of why their post is missing. If it is still repeated it may have to be permanently blocked. 

[YOSHIE]

Can you think of anything to change their behavior about this especially in an effort to reduce spam on this forum?

I've already said such behavior in one of the topics, it's an open secret among the BitCointalk community.

Bitcoin paid campaign the required conditions (Merit) for the Bounty campaign do not require (Merit), the spam phenomenon is a natural phenomenon, the character and behavior of many communities in this world, it doesn't only happen in Bitcointalk, social media and other forums are also flooded with spam.

The way to reduce spam all you need to do is report it to the Mod, that's the best solution.

[Mpamaegbu]

A campaign manager won't consider a user with 7 merits earned in last 120 days over another with say 40 merits. The rules and requirements of sig campaigns help prevent spam, some managers count only constructive posts so it all boils down to the manager

While we all agree that most Bitcoin paying signature campaigns require a minimum of 5 merits earned within 120 days, that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't some campaign managers that accept posters with zero merit earned within that time space. Sometimes, posters have quality posts that aren't merited. It happens so and some of these managers know that. The hardworking ones among them do check post history when accepting participants. I have even seen cases where posters with less merits earned got accepted ahead of those who've excess merits.

[worle1bm]

Bounty hunters are not into merit race and they are regularly posting the bounty submissions and rest if they post in other sections they are sharing the same posts that other members have already said and they are not contributing best to the forum out of their capacity which is why those who are doing the same get merits.The bitcoin paying signature campaign have rules to have earn merits in past 120 days and manager also checks the quality of post of the participants which is why it further ensure they can get merits as well.

[Dripstoil]

Only a few bounty participants make it a point of duty to write constructively.

I think last week, I saw one important Thread Headline and quickly clicked on it to get some useful responses and to join the discussion. I Read the entire replies but couldn't find any useful response. Every post in that thread sounds like they were written by drunken bots who are also on steroids. Now I get it. Perhaps those posts were made by the Bounty Hunters?

If the thread appears on search engines, everyone who's clicking on it is going to be very disappointed. The mistake I made was that I didn't report the posts but I'm sure someone would do that.

It's going to be almost impossible for anyone in their right mind to merit such posts. I don't really know what Bounty Hunting is or how it works but I think more effort should be put in moderating their posts.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Bounty hunters have very different goals. I am more than sure that almost everyone has several alternative accounts to participate in bounty campaigns. The only thing is that someone knows how to properly hide these accounts, and someone, due to their haste, greed, and inattention, is periodically caught by detectives.
Therefore, they are not baffled by writing good posts. The goals are different, quickly work out your numerous accounts.
But one day the hunters need merit, and then we see their "efforts" to obtain merit, which very often lead to plagiarism and further prohibition.
A recent example: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5861/58619364.html
Account banned.

[BitTalk21]

Best way to adjust merit system is if you have earnings here you can only have one account on one ip.
many people disagree with it but this is the only right way to correct merit system.

greed is something that can make people go to any level without controlling it you can't cure it.

[rozak]

interesting topic. the discussion that maybe few people pay attention to this.

Bounty hunters focus on what is considered a job. (non-accusable thought).
outside the context of the bounty hunter signature campaign (payment of tokens or altcoins), you can see how accounts are joining social media campaigns. you will even see the fact that there are accounts that 100% only contain posts in the bounty thread in the form of POA and weekly reports.

What can help with this classic problem? I think, is the rules of the bounty manager.

[isaac_clarke22]

Bounty hunters have very different goals. I am more than sure that almost everyone has several alternative accounts to participate in bounty campaigns. The only thing is that someone knows how to properly hide these accounts, and someone, due to their haste, greed, and inattention, is periodically caught by detectives.

Just by imagining having a farm of accounts, it's more possible that they'll be caught abusing bounties. I recall certain user here in the forum that I caught long time ago due to similar Telegram names. It was only a single post/single mistake that cost the account. Although in a naked eye, judging from their usernames, it is obvious that both are alts.