Solar Panels, Home fuel cells, etc?

[bigmofog]

I realize that the return on the investment is a joke, but I'm more wondering if anyone who is living with others (cough home with parents) who have solar panels or Combined heat and power fuel cells see in terms of power bills.

I realize the economics:  10 KW of solar panels is going to run you many tens of thousands of dollars, even including tax incentives and NOT including maintenance and degredation.  This is not a question of whether or not its economical to build a farm with some methane powered fuel cells, parabolic stirling engine solar generators, and photovoltaics covering every square inch of the property.  I'm just curious

I'm sure there are some people out there with sizable enough solar panels to see a noticable drop in their bills.


Also I would be lying if I said I was not trying to get out of noob status 

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[BurtW]

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

[Harvey]

I am sure we will be seeing new forms of energy combined with Bitcoin in the future.

[boonies4u]

I am sure we will be seeing new forms of energy combined with Bitcoin in the future.

Can't wait to see those super computers in space generating bitcoins with their anti-matter engines.

[phorensic]

My parents, er...room mates...just signed the contract for a 33 panel array for our house.  Some of that is due to me mining 24/7, hehe.  We did it the lease way, where you just pay a monthly bill to the solar company, instead of buying out of pocket up front.

[boonies4u]

My parents, er...room mates...just signed the contract for a 33 panel array for our house.  Some of that is due to me mining 24/7, hehe.  We did it the lease way, where you just pay a monthly bill to the solar company, instead of buying out of pocket up front.

So instead of paying the power company monthly, you're paying the people who installed it monthly? LOL I guess the only reason you would do that is if you wanted to be green.

Is it lease to own, as in will it eventually be paid off?

[Vanderbleek]

If you're not afraid to go the DIY route, you can get enough cells to make a 3KW (or so) array for around $2k USD. There is A LOT of soldering to be done if you go this route, not to mention placing them on boards, getting a charge adapter etc. but if you live where there's lots of sun...

[BurtW]

My parents, er...room mates...just signed the contract for a 33 panel array for our house.  Some of that is due to me mining 24/7, hehe.  We did it the lease way, where you just pay a monthly bill to the solar company, instead of buying out of pocket up front.

So instead of paying the power company monthly, you're paying the people who installed it monthly? LOL I guess the only reason you would do that is if you wanted to be green.

Is it lease to own, as in will it eventually be paid off?

These leases are a good idea if you do not have the money to pay for the installation yourself.  Usually your lease payment is less than your utility bill so you save money every month and then you own the system at the end of the lease.

[phorensic]

Yes the way it works is that the lease and the utility bill combined is less per month than just drawing from utility.  They started doing this the last few years after they realized not many people are going to buy into a $40k array and wait 15 years for it to start paying itself off.

[BurtW]

They started doing this the last few years after they realized not many people are going to buy into a $40k array and wait 15 years for it to start paying itself off.

At least where I live it is not as bad as you make it out to be.

With all the tax credits and residential energy credit payments from our local utility my system was more like 11K out of pocket.  It started paying for itself the first day and has been paying for itself ever since.  I no longer pay anything to the local utility and the system will be paid off in about 7 years and from then on for about the next 13 - 18 years I will be making a "profit".

[SistaS0uljah]

I had a quote from Sungevity for a similar setup last year, but my wife was very nervous about the lease agreement and we backed out.  We would have been saving about $137/month off of our standard utility bill (we're in California, and are slaves to Pacific Gas & Electric), but the lease would have been for 15 years, with an option to buy at the end, or renew the lease.  I have a friend with a nice solar power system that she paid $20K for and while she sells her excess power back to the grid, she sometimes has to pull from the grid in the winter.  Overall, she said her entire electricity bill for last year was less than $100. 

[viperzero]

Hi there,

I admit I also have same hidden agenda to get posting rights. I have been toying with the idea of getting self sustainable for electricity wise for about 3 years. In US situation would have been easy: YES, in most areas it is profitable. Grants are good. I am making 2 small wind turbines at the moment. Mostly for measurement and testing purposes. Electricity prices are going up here and next summer if production seems feasible I'll build 2 x 3.6-4 Kw turbines. Possibly also 4-6 PV panels, max. 1.5 kw. Unfortunately government isn't helping. Only way to get reasonable payback time is to do all mostly from scratches, except solar panels.

Here is a page for some links and calculators: http://offthewheel.weebly.com/solar--wind-investment-calculator.html

If you are lucky and live in windy or sunny area + you can get an investment loan/grant the payback time can be under 10 years, after that profit. Not to mention your CO2 footprint goes down drastically.

[BurtW]

I will bet if you use this new search technology called "Google" you can search for solar installers in your area and there are probably a dozen or more.  I got quotes from 5 different installers.  Picked which one I thought was the best one, paid them and then they installed it.

Here I even did the first search for you:  https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+installers+houston

[boonies4u]

I will bet if you use this new search technology called "Google" you can search for solar installers in your area and there are probably a dozen or more.  I got quotes from 5 different installers.  Picked which one I thought was the best one, paid them and then they installed it.

Here I even did the first search for you:  https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+installers+houston

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[510nano]

I know that the post is fairly old (and I am a newbie).
I think that given the falling prices for solar and the raising prices for conventional technology that we are in a different stage.
Two years ago, utility solar cost about $3.50/W or more.  We are closing to 50% of those cost by the end of the year.
New technology predicts that solar will hit $1.00/W which will push prices below $0.06/kWh.
Further, all costs for traditional technology are not counted and so, it is always hard to do an apples to apples comparison as the industry intentionally convolutes the discussion.
I am hopeful that solar can be useful in the generation of renewable bitcoins.

[loomsolar1]

Hi there,

I admit I also have same hidden agenda to get posting rights. I have been toying with the idea of getting self sustainable for electricity wise for about 3 years. In US situation would have been easy: YES, in most areas it is profitable. Grants are good. I am making 2 small wind turbines at the moment. Mostly for measurement and testing purposes. Electricity prices are going up here and next summer if production seems feasible I'll build 2 x 3.6-4 Kw turbines. Possibly also 4-6 PV panels, max. 1.5 kw. Unfortunately government isn't helping. Only way to get reasonable payback time is to do all mostly from scratches, except solar panels.

Here is a page for some links and calculators: http://offthewheel.weebly.com/solar--wind-investment-calculator.html

If you are lucky and live in windy or sunny area + you can get an investment loan/grant the payback time can be under 10 years, after that profit. Not to mention your CO2 footprint goes down drastically.

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

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[margretfernandas]

Statistics indicate that the national average for electricity consumption in the United States is around 1 kW per hour, with the national price of 1 kW per hour of electricity at $0.10. Considering 730 hours in a month, which means the average electric bill flickers around $73. Is yours much higher than that? Not surprising. Solar power system providers in USA provides a solution for this problem. Many among them provides budget solar panel process and installation services in New York as well as all around USA.

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[Ispep]

Can't wait to see those super computers in space generating bitcoins with their anti-matter engines.

This is not so easy to achieve and definitely this would be a major source of improvement for the bitcoin.
But we have to be honest with ourselves that we are still a long way away from this happening.
Bitcoin has a bright future and I can't write this off from happening though

[Velkro]

This is not a question of whether or not its economical to build a farm with some methane powered fuel cells, parabolic stirling engine solar generators, and photovoltaics covering every square inch of the property.  I'm just curious

Its not, its always cheaper to build your mining farm in country with cheap electric energy. You can't compete with that with any renewable sources because of initial investment cost which could be put into mining power itself.

[OgNasty]

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[mitsos2017]

I have an off grid house on a mountain.
Its about 25 Km from work, and I spend there 6-9 months of the year.
I have a small solar panel installation 420Wp (+ 1200VA inverter), which is enough for lights, fridge, TV, laptop, etc.
In the kitchen I use gas, and a solar water heater for bath.
In the cold days a fire place (woods from tree pruning around the house) is perfect.
The only bill I'm paying is for water. (in this area is once a year, last year I've payed about 50 Euros).

That's all.

You don't need 10KW solar panels, if you make a good plan for your needs.

[Johnzky]

My parents, er...room mates...just signed the contract for a 33 panel array for our house.  Some of that is due to me mining 24/7, hehe.  We did it the lease way, where you just pay a monthly bill to the solar company, instead of buying out of pocket up front.

So instead of paying the power company monthly, you're paying the people who installed it monthly? LOL I guess the only reason you would do that is if you wanted to be green.

Is it lease to own, as in will it eventually be paid off?

And it was the most practical way,not oaying the electricity provider and just the solar company in which after some years not like in electric bills that you will be paying the whole life

[Karamabit_209]

It is a really good idea. People are just narrow minded, they always think that it would cost them a large amount but do not think how much it would save them in a long run. Adding to the point, it is also like the life here in cryptocurrency where they are afraid to invest money that will actually make then earn it in a long run if they have just invested.

[Kamoteng Kahoy]

It is a really good idea. People are just narrow minded, they always think that it would cost them a large amount but do not think how much it would save them in a long run. Adding to the point, it is also like the life here in cryptocurrency where they are afraid to invest money that will actually make then earn it in a long run if they have just invested.

How about those countries where rain is often to them?  Is it still a logical and practical way l?

[Karamabit_209]

It is a really good idea. People are just narrow minded, they always think that it would cost them a large amount but do not think how much it would save them in a long run. Adding to the point, it is also like the life here in cryptocurrency where they are afraid to invest money that will actually make then earn it in a long run if they have just invested.

How about those countries where rain is often to them?  Is it still a logical and practical way l?

Obviously not. Common sense, I am talking about the countries which rain does not come often. Anyways, my point is that it really practical on those dry and hot countries. They just need to invest money like in trading and gambling here in this industry and let the money grow from itself!

[Becksinsky]

 Why is a return on investment a joke?
I think it's just the same seriousness

[Artemis3]

Why is a return on investment a joke?
I think it's just the same seriousness

By that account South Korea should have the most renewable generation, given its the most expensive electricity in the world. It would be especially great if they allowed you to sell your production...

Also whats wrong with some rain? Won't it clean the panels for free?

[markstivn98]

I realize that the return on the investment is a joke, but I'm more wondering if anyone who is living with others (cough home with parents) who have solar panels or Combined heat and power fuel cells see in terms of power bills.

I realize the economics:  10 KW of solar panels is going to run you many tens of thousands of dollars, even including tax incentives and NOT including maintenance and degredation.  This is not a question of whether or not its economical to build a farm with some methane powered fuel cells, parabolic stirling engine solar generators, and photovoltaics covering every square inch of the property.  I'm just curious

I'm sure there are some people out there with sizable enough solar panels to see a noticable drop in their bills.


Also I would be lying if I said I was not trying to get out of noob status 

Reliance on solar energy is much better
Provides plenty of energy
Invoices are less expensive
It's good.

[markstivn98]

I am sure we will be seeing new forms of energy combined with Bitcoin in the future.

You are sure there will be new forms of power
Mining relies heavily on solar energy
You are much better

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think that solar panels are a great investment, because I see it from the electronic point of view, the consumption and the use of the energy that we naturally know from the sun.

If we know how to take advantage of our natural resources to create technology, we will be at a level 1 technology, since there are no environmental impacts.

 In my case, I would like to have my house with the use of solar panels, the only thing is that in my country imports are on the floor, and they turn out to be impossible at this moment, but I have researched about it and I would like to develop projects through which a solar panel in a disposable bottle of coca cola with water, is charged during the day and illuminated at night, can function as a fluorescent bulb, where the total illumination would be maintained during the dark of night and charged during the day.

[Avaemmaa]

I realize that the return on the investment is a joke, but I'm more wondering if anyone who is living with others (cough home with parents) who have solar panels or Combined heat and power fuel cells see in terms of power bills.

I realize the economics:  10 KW of solar panels is going to run you many tens of thousands of dollars, even including tax incentives and NOT including maintenance and degredation.  This is not a question of whether or not its economical to build a farm with some methane powered fuel cells, parabolic stirling engine solar generators, and photovoltaics covering every square inch of the property.  I'm just curious

I'm sure there are some people out there with sizable enough solar panels to see a noticable drop in their bills.


Also I would be lying if I said I was not trying to get out of noob status 

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[Witchlist]

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

Do you have inverters incase the weather is not good for days?

[Mauser]

My parents got their solar panels 10 years ago. It was just a few small planes on the roof. We paid around 8,000 EUR and saved around 25% of the energy cost. The problem we had was that after 5 years more than half of the panels were defect and had to be removed. In the end my parents didn't decide to get new ones. So economic wise this was a really bad investment. Today's solar panels seem to be much more reliable and have higher efficency. It might be much more attractive now.

[Chato1977]

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

Do you have inverters incase the weather is not good for days?

inverter is part of the package when you buy now and my set up has complete package .

i had been using my solar panels for years now and even when there is bad weather i can preserve energy and now i am planning to extend my panels to full usage .

[BurningChrome]

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

Do you have inverters incase the weather is not good for days?

For each solar power system to work independently of the public grid, batteries and inverters are absolutely essential. Do you really think the panels can work overnight without an inverter?

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[bitterguy28]

I put solar panels on my house.  Set me back about 11K out of pocket.  I have not paid one dime in electricity costs since the installation.  Even if the cost of electricity does not go up the pannels will all be paid off in 7 years.  Then it is all gravy from then on.  With all the rebates I got from the state and the federal goverments it seemed to be a good deal so I did it.  I am very happy with the installation and the fact I no longer pay an electricity bill.

BTW if you are interested you can see all my electricity production and consumption here:  http://egauge327.d.egauge.net

There has been snow on the system for the past few days so very little production.  May have to get up there and sweep them off.  Usually I don't - just wait for it to melt off.

Good luck getting out of the noob purgatory!

Do you have inverters incase the weather is not good for days?

For each solar power system to work independently of the public grid, batteries and inverters are absolutely essential. Do you really think the panels can work overnight without an inverter?

Lol He might not Know what he is saying or he does not know what or How solar panelsystem works 

Don't be so harsh mate ..

[BurningChrome]

Lol He might not Know what he is saying or he does not know what or How solar panelsystem works 

Don't be so harsh mate ..

I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just being realistic. LOL!

The solar panels are useless if there is no sun. That is somewhat logical, isn't it? 

[decodx]

Yes, inverters are an integral part of a residential solar energy system. They convert the electricity your solar panels create into a form that can be used by appliances and other electronic devices in your household. On-grid systems, however, do not require batteries to operate and they are the most widely solar product used by homeowners. In an on-grid system, solar panels are connected to the public power grid by solar inverters. Any surplus solar power you generate during the day is sold to the power grid. At night, such a system draws electricity from the public power grid like everyone else.

[cryptoprime07]

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[bitterguy28]

Lol He might not Know what he is saying or he does not know what or How solar panelsystem works 

Don't be so harsh mate ..

I'm not trying to be harsh, I'm just being realistic. LOL!

The solar panels are useless if there is no sun. That is somewhat logical, isn't it? 

Well indeed 

Anyway I'm wondering how about those countries or places that has no Sunrise ? of just a short period of time only when the sun comes?
meaning Solar panels has no use at all?

[Xinarae*]

At present, solar panels have become a reliable source in other countries of the world. By solar panels we mean the energy that is naturally generated, such as sunlight, groundwater, wind, and so on. The use of renewable energy is now essential for the survival of the planet. Renewable sources for fuel are now quite popular in other countries of the world. Solar rays and heat are being used Solar panel sources will be the main driving force behind the future in power generation. For good reason, all countries of the world are trying to increase the production of solar panels.

[Ucy]

A true nomad wouldn't depend too much on heavy centralized/stationary power sources for running his own business. You always anticipate break down or "refusal/denial of service" from people or power source, so you try as much as you can to have efficient and mobile alternatives you can easily take anywhere with you.

I actually can go to anywhere I want without really needing any centralized or stationary power sources to power my devices and businesses. I try as much as possible to avoid running business that demand too much concentration of power source or reliant on centralized sources. This is what people like me would always calculate in much part of their lives while making decisions.

Part ^ of the reasons I don't like luxurious properties and things I don't need at home or in life generally.

[heavycure]

I realize that the return on the investment is a joke, but I'm more wondering if anyone who is living with others (cough home with parents) who have solar panels or Combined heat and power fuel cells see in terms of power bills.

I realize the economics:  10 KW of solar panels is going to run you many tens of thousands of dollars, even including tax incentives and NOT including maintenance and degredation.  This is not a question of whether or not its economical to build a farm with some methane powered fuel cells, parabolic stirling engine solar generators, and photovoltaics covering every square inch of the property.  I'm just curious

I'm sure there are some people out there with sizable enough solar panels to see a noticable drop in their bills.


Also I would be lying if I said I was not trying to get out of noob status 

This is the future, the goverment drives us slowly and stady that every single home will be on green sources.