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December 09, 2021, 03:06:38 PM
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The fortunes of China’s richest Internet billionaires are still getting slammed, with four of the country’s best-known tycoons–Colin Huang, Jack Ma, Pony Ma, and Wang Xing—losing more than $73 billion from their combined net worth since April, when Forbes published this year’s World’s Billionaires List.

The tycoons face heightening risks from China’s regulators. Ride-sharing giant Didi Global just announced on Friday that it would delist from the New York Stock Exchange–which is widely reported to have come at the behest of government departments such as the Cyberspace Administration of China—and could be a harbinger of similar delistings in the future. If they opt to maintain their U.S. listings, there could be changes to their long-used ownership structure known as variable interest entities (VIE), creating additional risks for shareholders.

The added pressure of further scrutiny is clouding outlooks. Already, companies from e-commerce giant Alibaba to food-delivery platform Meituan are battling a protracted growth slowdown in the Chinese economy, and their business outlook is likely to remain downbeat until at least early next year, analysts say.

“They [investors] are now back to looking at fundamentals, but the near-term outlook isn’t that exciting,” says Shi Jialong, Hong Kong-based head of China Internet and New Media Research at Nomura Securities.

Shi was referring to softer-than-expected earnings released in the third quarter. The Chinese economy, for its part, is expected to ease to 5.5% growth next year amid sporadic Covid-19 outbreaks and a slowing property sector. Meanwhile, China now has more than 1 billion internet users, meaning most of its population is already online and new users are harder to come by.

In this challenging environment, Alibaba, cofounded by billionaire Jack Ma, cut its growth forecast for fiscal 2022 from a projected 29.5% in May down to 20% to 23%, causing its New York-listed shares to plunge 11% that day. Led by billionaire Wang, Meituan lowered the outlook for its core food-delivery business and reported widening losses after swallowing a 3.44 billion yuan ($532 million) anti-trust fine in October. Tencent, whose billionaire Chairman Pony Ma Huateng is currently the country’s third-richest person, recently reported its slowest revenue growth since the company went public in Hong Kong in 2004. The company warned about a weak advertising sector into next year, as Beijing’s crackdown on education and real estate companies continues to curb once lavish ad budgets.

The biggest wealth wipeout, however, goes to Pinduoduo’s Colin Huang. The 41-year-old tycoon lost almost $35 billion in the eight months since April, as the Nasdaq-listed shares of his discount e-commerce platform more than halved. Previously, investors were willing to give the unprofitable but high-growth company rich valuations, buoyed by rapid increases in its user base that even overtook that of Alibaba. They are now dialing back expectations amid intensifying competition and plateauing growth. Pinduoduo missed revenue expectations in the third quarter, and its user base is believed to have peaked.

“Competitors such as Taobao Deals are also very aggressive,” says Shawn Yang, a Shenzhen-based managing director at research firm Blue Lotus Capital Advisors. “Investors can look past a lot of problems when there is high growth, but not so much now.”

Pinduoduo didn’t respond to an e-mailed request for comment. The company plans to step up investment in agriculture technology, after pledging to donate all future profits –until the amount reaches 10 billion yuan–to support agriculture and rural revitalization in China. Under President Xi Jinping’s common prosperity campaign, boosting income in those areas is one priority.

Other tech billionaires are also answering the state’s call. As the country pushes for technology self-reliance, Alibaba launched in October a chip “built upon advanced 5nm process technology,” which it says can be used in data centers. The e-commerce giant is also expanding aggressively into so-called community group-buying, a sector involving using steep discounts in groceries and daily goods to attract shoppers who live close by.

But analysts have sounded a note of caution. “We think it is unlikely that the stock will rerate until Alibaba demonstrates that its investments have generated industry-leading user scale, user stickiness, or a monetization level that will serve as strong entry barriers to deter competitors,” Morningstar analyst Chelsey Tam wrote in a November 19 research note.

Blue Lotus’s Yang says investors are also unlikely to pile into the tech companies’ shares due to chip advances, although Tencent and search-engine operator Baidu have also announced progress in this field.

“The low-hanging fruits in China’s internet sector have been divided up,” he says. “And it is going to take time for newer businesses to contribute to revenue growth.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ywang/2021/12/03/chinas-internet-billionaires-suffer-73-billion-wipeout-as-economy-slows-and-government-cracks-down/?sh=56bfad047db9


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The didi delisting (see: bolded) appears to be (mostly) flying beneath the radar. It is possible we will see future bitcoin dips coinciding with other delisting of chinese corporations from US exchanges. If true the dips will likely become smaller over time. Which could be one indicator for verifying the origin of negative price trends.

It is an unfortunate and harsh truth that economic and financial statistics are prone towards exaggeration. In the way youth on the internet with average sized manhoods might exaggerate a little.

If they say projected 2022 growth was downgraded from 29.5% down to 20%. It can sometimes mean the actual projection was downgraded from 20% down to 10%. This is especially true with nations that have little or no independent media which might publish claims to the contrary. If they can get away with exaggerating and painting a rosier picture than reality, it can appear feasible to do so. Of course this can become a double edged sword over time, on the plus side it makes everything look better. On the negative, experts and pros will lack access to reliable data needed to respond appropriately to the status quo. If a disaster strikes, it can completely blindside everyone. Only the truly paranoid would be prepared or expect it coming.
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December 09, 2021, 06:53:29 PM
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Dude, do you work for a news agency? How then can you explain that you created 500 one-page threads? Nothing personal, but I probably would not even have noticed it if the entire page of one of the sections was not flooded with your newly created threads, (You may not even answer, these were rhetorical questions).

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December 09, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
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What is happening in China may be temporary and continue until the end of next year, as the government is trying to reduce the impact of these companies’ control on emerging companies and thus increase competition among them. Therefore, some companies cannot have more influence than the government, but it will not last for a long time.

The thing that must be monitored is the laws that China is trying to draft, which may lead to a slowdown in the growth of many companies and ideas in the short term, which affects investments in this field.

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December 09, 2021, 07:24:21 PM
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The Chinese companies are in a middle of a shit sandwich, with one side being the US-China relations and the other their own country tightening a noose around their necks. I do wonder, why would their own Government start going after them now, after years of not just turning a blind eye, but actually being a strong supporter of those and similar companies.

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December 09, 2021, 10:35:11 PM
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Yep, that is how the CCP acts and governs. First they feed the cow and put flowers in the horns and then kills it. It is not only the fortunes of the internet millionaires that have been wiped out, it is a much wider movement to de-couple China from western economic investment. China could even ban the societies that allow the circumvention of the rules for foreign investment in mainland China companies and many are listing in Hong Kong as the risk is also coming from the US in the form of delisting the companies from the NASDAQ.

The decoupling that China intends is asymmetric, wants to make the west invest but under their own arbitrary rules.

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December 10, 2021, 12:07:12 AM
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Dude, do you work for a news agency? How then can you explain that you created 500 one-page threads? Nothing personal, but I probably would not even have noticed it if the entire page of one of the sections was not flooded with your newly created threads, (You may not even answer, these were rhetorical questions).


When I was more active as a trader, I would read the news almost everyday. Its not that hard to get through 700 or so of the most vital daily news stories in 10 to 20 minutes, using an aggregator or news sharing service which merit rewards users for sharing the best finance related stories they can find. I would guess, even reddit probably has a community which does something similar. Even though I've never seen it.

RSS feeds are a good way to do this. Although finding RSS feeds for websites today can involve digging through the source html to locate them. RSS will essentially give you only the text headlines for major websites. It condenses everything, making it much more compact and easy to browse. And can display headlines from many different websites, all inside the same browser window for better one stop shopping.

There have long been tickers for stocks and headlines. I have seen that format used as well in a dynamic setting.

With the internet and technology, there could be better ways to browse the news today in contrast to more traditional formats.
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December 10, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
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It's actually a value play now to go and invest in Chinese stocks.

Especially the giants like Alibaba which has just as much if not more influence than Amazon, but trading at much more attractive multiples.

I don't think that a lot of the fear right now is justified. Didi will relist on the Hong Kong stock exchange so it's not like there will be no liquidity.
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December 10, 2021, 09:24:23 PM
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I'm still assuming this doesn't have much of an effect on the bitcoin price when compared to the more tragic news and reality a few months ago about the bitcoin and crypto ban in china which led forum members to assume there was going to be a bitcoin price crash and in reality it didn't, but media news sometimes exaggerating a news so that it gets a selling point

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December 10, 2021, 10:16:43 PM
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The biggest wealth wipeout, however, goes to Pinduoduo’s Colin Huang. The 41-year-old tycoon lost almost $35 billion in the eight months since April, as the Nasdaq-listed shares of his discount e-commerce platform more than halved. Previously, investors were willing to give the unprofitable but high-growth company rich valuations, buoyed by rapid increases in its user base that even overtook that of Alibaba.
Man, that part I bolded above really sounds like the internet stock boom of the 1990s, and if you weren't there you never got to experience what a true bubble is like (unless you participated in one since then, but the 90s one was a real bubble).  But it isn't surprising that investors are "now looking at fundamentals" or however this article put it, because that's what they always come back to when the stock market gets red hot and people aren't thinking straight about what they're buying.

It is possible we will see future bitcoin dips coinciding with other delisting of chinese corporations from US exchanges. If true the dips will likely become smaller over time.
Eh...I'm not sure about that, and I've yet to see a study about how bitcoin correlates with the stock market in general, much less with a handful of Chinese stocks.  Bitcoin has dipped in the past few days and is down from its ATH, but I really don't think it has anything to do with these stocks being delisted.

In the way youth on the internet with average sized manhoods might exaggerate a little.
LOL.  Who would do such a thing?

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