Ledger Nano S Plus

[n0nce]

I think I'm going to change my mind again and get one of these, but I still prefer to not order/pre-order it directly ^{[this may sound weird, but the only other option for me, is to get it from one of Trezor's official resellers that also sells Ledger products]}.

Why no Trezor for example? Should be in a similar price range.

I would generally advise against any product from this brand; they showed time and time again that these devices aren't made to last - both physically and in software. They are also made with subpar materials and quality control, so I don't feel confident recommending Nono S or S Plus or whatever else they are going to release next.

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[SFR10]

As long as the person knows what they are doing, it's not a bad thing. If you are a developer, I assume this feature would allow you to create your own app for a coin that is not supported on Ledger for example. Or you can create something you think works better. This is of course an advanced feature and not something ordinary people should play around with.

I agree with everything you said, but I'm afraid this might be used by hackers to silently install spyware ^{[or something else]} when it's plugged in ^{[assuming that somehow they'd find a way to bypass the security checks or confirmations]}.
^{- Maybe I'm just paranoid...}

Why no Trezor for example? Should be in a similar price range.

I would generally advise against any product from this brand; they showed time and time again that these devices aren't made to last - both physically and in software. They are also made with subpar materials and quality control, so I don't feel confident recommending Nono S or S Plus or whatever else they are going to release next.

I already have a Trezor One, but I wanted to get another wallet ^{[without breaking the bank]} as a collectible item ^{[and maybe for occasional uses]}.
^{- Unfortunately, you're right about their problems [I would've ignored them if it was going to be my first and only hardware wallet].}

[dkbit98]

Why no Trezor for example? Should be in a similar price range.

I am not comfortable suggest both Trezor and ledger hardware wallets at the moment, for different reasons.
Trezor is working on creating new device with secure open source secure element, and this could be a real gamechanger.
I consider current Trezor is less secure so I would ratter suggest buying Raspberry Pi Zero and creating something like SeedSigner DIY signing device.
Everyone already knows why I don't suggest ledger, until they improve their devices and switch to open source.

[dkbit98]

Few days ago people have started to receive Legde Nano S Plus devices they pre-ordered and I am starting to see first unboxing videos and early review coming out.
Decrypt released small article reviewing this device, posting images with process of installation and comparison with older devices released by ledger.
Same aluminum rotating shield is used that protects plastic body that holds bigger screen of this device that has similar size like older model S, but design is more rounded for case and buttons.
Looking at some unboxing videos I saw they are providing protective foil for this screen to protect from scratches, and it doesn't have to be removed.
Package includes new USB-C braided cable with instructions, and memory in this device is 1.5MB but only 1.28MB is available for apps.
Note that Nano S Plus is still closed source and it uses same proprietary operating system called BOLOS.


https://decrypt.co/95319/ledger-nano-s-plus-review-a-top-hardware-wallet-refreshed-for-2022

[SFR10]

Few days ago people have started to receive Legde Nano S Plus devices they pre-ordered and I am starting to see first unboxing videos and early review coming out.

Just finished reading the article + watching a bunch of videos and it appears that all of them are using review units ^{[no "genesis edition" engraving]}, so I did some digging and according to their staff, shipping starts in the "first two weeks of April":
^{- They never fail to disappoint their users [at least they're consistent]}

• Thank you again for purchasing a Nano S Plus Genesis Edition!
  
  We will be shipping your device very soon, but later than we had hoped. Our final quality assurance steps uncovered an issue that required a fix before shipping. We are updating the firmware on your device right now. Assuming testing goes well we will ship your device within the first two weeks of April. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for your patience, Team Ledger

[dkbit98]

^{- They never fail to disappoint their users [at least they're consistent]}

They have to be idiots to release new devices like this without proper testing, but do you know whats even more interesting?
Surprise surprise and NEW breach and data leak happened with ledger AGAIN, and that is confirmed officially by ledger team, this time because they uses bloody Hubspot that got hacked on March 18.
Let's get ready for millions of new spam emails and letters delivered to ledger customers... oh it must be so much ''fun'' to be a ledger user (not)  
I am standing by my words, ledger is the WORST hardware wallet company in the world.


source: ledger.com

Suggestion from legder is .... to ... stay..... c a l m...  

[dkbit98]

First news and updates are coming from early customers who purchased ledger nono s plus genesis edition.
FIDO app is apparently missing so you can't use is as YubiKey alternative, many applications are incompatible with many third party applications.
If you are interested in shitcoins you should know that Monero wallet is incompatible, also Polkadot and Terra are not supported.

ledger reddit sources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/tsxj0e/nano_s_plus_incompatibilities/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/tt0pa2/nano_s_incompatible_with_terra_polkadot/

[SFR10]

FIDO app is apparently missing so you can't use is as YubiKey alternative, many applications are incompatible with many third party applications.
If you are interested in shitcoins you should know that Monero wallet is incompatible, also Polkadot and Terra are not supported.

They included a few more missing apps on their website: I CAN'T FIND AN APP FOR LEDGER NANO S PLUS IN MANAGER
^{- Regardless of this being a temporary issue, it clearly shows how inferior they are in comparison to other manufacturers!}
For those who still want to buy this device, it'll be available next week ^[source].

[Pmalek]

^{- Regardless of this being a temporary issue, it clearly shows how inferior they are in comparison to other manufacturers!}

It's like they have a gun pointed at them and someone forcing them to release software and hardware solutions before they have had a chance to test them properly.

A few days ago it was reported there was an issue with Tezos accounts that affected all 3 Ledger hardware wallets. You would open Ledger Live and your XTZ balance would be 0. According to their support, they have resolved this. Users are being instructed to delete and re-add their Tezos accounts for the problem to be fixed.

[dkbit98]

They included a few more missing apps on their website: I CAN'T FIND AN APP FOR LEDGER NANO S PLUS IN MANAGER
^{- Regardless of this being a temporary issue, it clearly shows how inferior they are in comparison to other manufacturers!}

So it's even worse than I though, because their latest s plus device is not working with 14 applications in total!
They obviously rushed to release this device as soon as possible and they will fix things along the way, but I am wondering what more ''hidden surprises'' we are going to see in future.
Before I talk more about this issue let's wait few weeks after they release new batch of devices.

btw. I don't know if you see what one of their co-founders aka reddit moderator claimed on reddit recently...
According to him ledger is more open source than trezor   maybe that is true in some parallel universe.


https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/tud0hh/comment/i332lxi/

[m2017]

They included a few more missing apps on their website: I CAN'T FIND AN APP FOR LEDGER NANO S PLUS IN MANAGER
^{- Regardless of this being a temporary issue, it clearly shows how inferior they are in comparison to other manufacturers!}

So it's even worse than I though, because their latest s plus device is not working with 14 applications in total!
They obviously rushed to release this device as soon as possible and they will fix things along the way, but I am wondering what more ''hidden surprises'' we are going to see in future.
Before I talk more about this issue let's wait few weeks after they release new batch of devices.

btw. I don't know if you see what one of their co-founders aka reddit moderator claimed on reddit recently...
According to him ledger is more open source than trezor   maybe that is true in some parallel universe.


https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/tud0hh/comment/i332lxi/

It's more like their social media and PR managers live in a parallel universe. They say one thing, but the reality is quite another.

Here is another similar example:

Device session identifier, IP address, clicks, actions, language and region for your operating system, transactions, etc.

It's really funny and even ridiculous: they are lying even about not collecting the information about bitcoin addresses user generates with their Ledger Live application:

Posted by
u/Crypto_Economist42
1 year ago
Does Ledger collect addresses from Ledger Live and associate them with any personal information collected?

btchip
1 yr. ago
Ledger Co-Founder

No. You can check that in the privacy policy you agreed to when using the product.

Their Privacy Policy clearly states that they collect user's information about "currency, time stamp, amount and status of transactions, transaction identifier, identifier used by our partners to identify you."

It seems that Ledger's "right hand" (support department) doesn't know what his "left hand" (programming department) is doing. Constantly confused in their evidence. This immediately causes distrust and doubts about the reliability of this company.

Has anyone from the understanding experts looked into their github? It would be nice to hear the opinion of a professional about how the software architecture works and evaluate how much Ledger software is "open source", as they say.

[SFR10]

It's like they have a gun pointed at them and someone forcing them to release software and hardware solutions before they have had a chance to test them properly.

Exactly, this might explain why few of the genesis editions have scratches: Just got the ledger nano S plus in the mail. Slight scratches on the metal.

btw. I don't know if you see what one of their co-founders aka reddit moderator claimed on reddit recently...
According to him ledger is more open source than trezor   maybe that is true in some parallel universe.

https://i.ibb.co/gmqrCk1/img85a400356a361acf5ae33d49c9745ebe.gif
https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/tud0hh/comment/i332lxi/

Perhaps he/she completely forgot the firmware and secure element parts
It seems that apart from its cheap-looking screen, the "buttons feels cheaper" than the non-plus version!

[dkbit98]

It seems that apart from its cheap-looking screen, the "buttons feels cheaper" than the non-plus version!

You bet it looks and feels cheaper because there is no way they could sell this new device for that price if they used better quality materials.
Things I am mostly worried about is how new screen will hold up compared to old one that died or dimmed after few years of usage, and second thing is their bad quickly made firmware that is almost certainly going to be full of bugs.
I am saying this because they had to use completely new secure element and new main microchip, so firmware was probably still in beta stage, that is why many apps are still missing.

[dkbit98]

Ledger nono S Plus is now available for purchase on ledger official website, and price is the same like for Genesis Edition, that is €79 plus shipping.
Before anyone decides to purchase this device I would recommend reading previous posts to find information about early issues and apps that are currently not supported by this wallet.
https://shop.ledger.com/products/ledger-nano-s-plus

Ledger removed old model nono S from comparison page in preparation for stopping it's production, so now you can only compare model S plus with model X:
https://shop.ledger.com/pages/hardware-wallets-comparison

[SFR10]

Things I am mostly worried about is how new screen will hold up compared to old one that died or dimmed after few years of usage,

Based on "this video ^[1:14]", they're claiming the same Nano X screen is being used on the Nano S Plus, so it's probably not going to suffer from those issues, but I'm still wondering why they seem to have different qualities ^{[not sure if something was lost in translation or this is another lie]}?!

• Free Ledger Nano S Plus for PREMINT Collector Pass holders!
• Just found out that two weeks ago, there was a "small drama" about the product in question!

[Pmalek]

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So the individual board components are manufactured in China and then they get shipped to France where a domestic company puts them together and creates the final product. There really isn't any issue with that besides their unnecessary claims that it's made in France. There is no need to lie about outsourcing certain work to the Chinese because everyone does it and it's cheaper. Lying about it just makes it look like you have something to hide. Considering all the letdowns Ledger has caused in the past, it doesn't surprise me one bit that everything they do now is questioned.     

[dkbit98]

Based on "this video ^[1:14]", they're claiming the same Nano X screen is being used on the Nano S Plus, so it's probably not going to suffer from those issues, but I'm still wondering why they seem to have different qualities ^{[not sure if something was lost in translation or this is another lie]}?!

Interesting video made by ledger, and while I was watching assembling procedure for S plus device, I have to say that it's clear that everything was made in China.
Display is coming from China, and PCB is made by Shenzhen JOVE Enterprise in Shenzhen, China.
Regarding screen for this new device I saw complains from some people reporting there is clearly visible dust (maybe even hair) particles under the screen and it's impossible to clean them... so much about assembling quality of hairy workers seen in videos.
Fan fact is that ledger spent $100,000 for making of this promo videos  

Here is ledger co-founder aka reddit moderator lying again:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4ufk58/

Than he changed his story when presented with clear evidence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4wvkkb/

So anyone who own or purchase ledger have to trust that china didn't install some hidden back doors like they are doing with their smartphones.
Good luck with that  

[m2017]

Based on "this video ^[1:14]", they're claiming the same Nano X screen is being used on the Nano S Plus, so it's probably not going to suffer from those issues, but I'm still wondering why they seem to have different qualities ^{[not sure if something was lost in translation or this is another lie]}?!

Interesting video made by ledger, and while I was watching assembling procedure for S plus device, I have to say that it's clear that everything was made in China.
Display is coming from China, and PCB is made by Shenzhen JOVE Enterprise in Shenzhen, China.
Regarding screen for this new device I saw complains from some people reporting there is clearly visible dust (maybe even hair) particles under the screen and it's impossible to clean them... so much about assembling quality of hairy workers seen in videos.
Fan fact is that ledger spent $100,000 for making of this promo videos  

Here is ledger co-founder aka reddit moderator lying again:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4ufk58/

Than he changed his story when presented with clear evidence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4wvkkb/

So anyone who own or purchase ledger have to trust that china didn't install some hidden back doors like they are doing with their smartphones.
Good luck with that  

It seems that lying has already become a tradition and a hallmark of this company. Curious to see what else will pop up over time.

It seems to me that dkbit98 likes to pump horror and fear into ledger users. But this doesn't in the least diminish the likelihood of negative consequences that may arise. On the example of the same backdoor in the HW device, as on chinese-made smartphones. Not the fact that it is, but need to be prepared for such surprises from ledger (this company likes to surprise its users) and take into account the likelihood of this. Think 100 times before buying these devices.

[jerry0]

Would you recommend it at the moment based on the reviews?

[n0nce]

Based on "this video ^[1:14]", they're claiming the same Nano X screen is being used on the Nano S Plus, so it's probably not going to suffer from those issues, but I'm still wondering why they seem to have different qualities ^{[not sure if something was lost in translation or this is another lie]}?!

Interesting video made by ledger, and while I was watching assembling procedure for S plus device, I have to say that it's clear that everything was made in China.
Display is coming from China, and PCB is made by Shenzhen JOVE Enterprise in Shenzhen, China.
Regarding screen for this new device I saw complains from some people reporting there is clearly visible dust (maybe even hair) particles under the screen and it's impossible to clean them... so much about assembling quality of hairy workers seen in videos.
Fan fact is that ledger spent $100,000 for making of this promo videos 

Here is ledger co-founder aka reddit moderator lying again:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4ufk58/

Than he changed his story when presented with clear evidence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/u4awq1/comment/i4wvkkb/

So anyone who own or purchase ledger have to trust that china didn't install some hidden back doors like they are doing with their smartphones.
Good luck with that 

Assuming what Ledger says is true and they use French pick & place soldering service, they only receive bare PCBs from China.
How would 'the Chinese' install a backdoor on a bare PCB? You know, this kind of stuff:

It's just a bare piece of FR4 with some copper on it; you can't install a backdoor into this.

Would you recommend it at the moment based on the reviews?

Personally, I'll never recommend a closed-source device and even if Ledger were to one day release an open-source, verifiable device I'd be highly skeptical due to their track record. So no, I wouldn't recommend Ledger Nano S Plus. There are such great alternatives these days; it's not 2014 anymore where you could only buy Trezor or Ledger. Almost 10 years have passed and the market offers Open Source Hardware Wallets, AirGapped Hardware Wallets, and even DIY hardware wallets which are probably all better options than a Ledger.