Bitcoin Forum
June 19, 2024, 11:21:13 PM *
News: Voting for pizza day contest
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: This what poor people need  (Read 525 times)
lixer
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2548
Merit: 586



View Profile
December 17, 2021, 04:02:05 PM
 #61

Also need teamwork and wealthy mindset but here is problem if u not with networking making connections and doing ur finances the way how it should be then u cant get wealthy.

So this one is suitable for ghetto people come together invest ur dope money in markets get few good traders and fund managers usually they have good inside info btw anyone who have learned about finances and corporate investment have some pretty decent inside info.

If u guys need more directions how to organize this proper way then ask.

Its time wake up and doing wealth without crime or working bs jobs such us construction or mc donalds.
Time imvest and manage ur wealth proper ways
You don’t just hire fund managers anyhow, you need to have the money to do that. And having a fund manager might not really be a good choice to make while you’re broke, because you can learn about this thing and be good at it as much as those fund Managers, and as well save your money. All you need to do is to learn and then practice steady to be good at it.

Yes it’s not an easy, but you can do it if you set out the time. Don’t try to imitate the rich by doing what they do, just cut your coat according to your clothe, and do what you are meant to do to get you to the level that you are supposed to be at. Those rich people that you are talking about has a lot that they are into, and they can decide to hire A fund manager to manage their trade for them, but that shouldn’t be for you, you can save yourself that money that you will have to Pay a fund manager and do it yourself.

Chrystora123
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1414
Merit: 228


Omicron is another FUD


View Profile
December 17, 2021, 08:47:32 PM
 #62

snip..
teaching poor people how to invest or other knowledge is much more difficult than teaching it to small children.  people are poor because of their mindset so it's purely because of them and all they need is food for today.  the most important thing to teach the poor I think is "how to think"..

TheNineClub
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 616
Merit: 161



View Profile
December 17, 2021, 09:37:07 PM
 #63

What poor people need is a chance for upward mobility. Copying someones homework will not result in the same outcome if there is systematic pushback from upper classes. The backbone of the system needs to be changed before we can have any chance of equal opportunity.

syedzakir
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 95
Merit: 2


View Profile
December 18, 2021, 05:22:46 PM
 #64

Poor people invest in cryptocurrency in order to get profit and instant profit which is not possible always. First of they need to learn the actual strategy to earn money in right way. They need to know that the profit they make must be used effectively. Half of it must be taken for use while half must be invested in it for further use.  In this way they would be able to earn more from it.

►           ►     enVoy       │        envoydefi.com     ◄           ◄
▐ █│     Sustainably Green Trust in Trade     │█ ▌
DrBeer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3808
Merit: 1972


View Profile WWW
December 18, 2021, 07:09:17 PM
 #65

Poor people need the following:
1- Orientation : Poor people need a good orientation concerning cryptocurrency trading and how to obey the rules and regulations that guide the trading activities.
2- Knowledge : Poor people need a good knowledge of bitcoin and other altcoins investment . With the help of the cryptocurrency knowledge, poor people can be rich in the community with the knowledge he or she acquired from their cryptos facilitators.
3- Facilitators: Poor people need someone who can teach them how to become rich with cryptocurrency trading in the community. Through the help of a facilitator, poor people can know when to buy coins and wait for the price to increase higher before them can release them for sale for profit making.

I'm speaking on the side of Poor people because I've known someone near to me that struggling in life too. What I have observed is aside from money that they need to start as an investment they need to have knowledge first about investment, they need to to have deep knowledge about financial literacy, orientation, and yeah facilitators are a big help to them to guide them. But on the other hand, this is what they called as an expensive type of self-learning because they are battling on their own time that they always said that they don't have time for this and that because they are busy working, finding money so that they can provide food on their table.

I already wrote - the salvation of the poor, not in their periodic feeding, in the process of which any amount of money will be turned into food, and then into waste products of people, leaving nothing in the end. Poor people need knowledge and internal changes in awareness of problems, attitude to the problem, and understanding of ways to solve this problem. Knowledge is the only way to a higher standard of living

...AoBT...
▄▄█████████████████▄▄
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
███████████████████████
██████████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████████
██████████████████████
█████████████████████
█████████████████████
█████████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████
The Alliance
of Bitcointalk
Translators
▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
▄███████████████▄
▄███
████████████████▄
▄██
███████████████████▄
▄█
██████████████████████▄
████████████████████████
█████████████████████
████████████████████████
▀███████████████████████▀
▀███████████████████
▀███████████████████▀
███████████████▀
▀▀▀███████▀▀▀
.
..JOIN US..

▄███████████████████████▄
█████████████████████████
█████▀▀██████▀▀██▀▀▀▀████
████████▀██████████
████▄▄▄▄▀███████
███████▄▀▄█▀▀███████
█████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
████████████▀████████████
▀███████████████████████▀
█████

██████████
.
..HIRE US..
Silberman
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2548
Merit: 1344



View Profile
December 20, 2021, 05:09:29 PM
 #66

All you need to do is copy paste the rich bastards and poor people get same results.
Lol, this isn't an easy thing, man!
Otherwise there wouldn't have been obvious social segregation. I think the most important thing for the poor is to act, the will to rise,
think positively, to be progressive and to accept bigger changes in their mind instead of working year round. In essence, the psychology of the poor is the decisive factor that creates the actions behind.

Not only that, there are laws against it, since we are in thew market of cryptocurrencies it is easy to forget as we can do anything we want with our money, but in the regular markets most of the investment opportunities are going to be closed to you unless you can make yourself rich enough to qualify for those opportunities, so the rich have a huge advantage as most people will never get the opportunity during their lifetimes to access the best investment opportunities the world can offer.



               ▄██▄▄                          ▄████
             ▄█▀   ▀▀▄▄                    ▄█▀▀   ▀█▄
            █▀         ▀▄                ▄█▀        █▄
           █▀   ▄█▄▄            ▄▄▄▄▄▄███▀      ▀▄   █▄
          ▄█   ▄█▀███▄▄                          █   ▀█
          █    ▀   ▀████▄   ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄        █   █▄
          █         ▀████████████████████████▄▄▄      ██
         ██        ▄██████████████████████████████▄    ▀█▄
        ▄█▀     ▄████████████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█████████████▄▄   ▀█▄
      ▄█▀     █████████████              ▀▀████████████▄   █▄
    ▄█▀        ▄██████████████▀▀█▄    ▄▄     █  ▀██ ▀███▄   ██
   ███▄▄     ▄███████████▀▀           ▀██▄        ▀  ▀▀     █▀
     █▀     ███████████▀                               ▄▀   ██
    █▀    ▄██████████▀                       ▄▄▄       ▀   ▄█
   █▀    ▄██████████▀           ▄▄      ▀▀████████▄         ▀██▄
  █▀    ▄███████████          ▄██▀   ▀▀█▄   ▀███████▄▄▄██▄▄   ▀██▄
 █▀     ▀▀▀▀▀▀██████         ████      ▀██▄  ▀████████   ▀▀▀    ▀█▄
▄█              ▀▀█           ████  ▄▄█▄▄███▄  ▀██████           ▀█▄
██▄▄▄▄▄                       █████  ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀   ▀████▄           ██
       ▀▀▀▀▀▄▄▄                █████▄▄▄            ▀▀▀▀▀▀        ▄██
               ▀▀▀▄▄           ▀█████████████████▄▄          ▄▀▀▀
                    ▀▀▄▄         ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀    ▀
                        ▀
.
.BETFURY..
|
         ▄▄▄▄▄████▀▄▄▄
      ▄███▀▀▀█▀▀  ▄████▄
    ▄██     ▀       ▀▀███▄
  ▄██   ▄██▄    ▄█▄   ▀████▄
 ██▀    ████▀▀▀▀▀▀█     ▀███
██▀   ▄███   ███▄▄▄█▄    ▀███
██    ███  ▄█▀▀█▀▀███     ███
██    ███▄▄██ █▄█▄ ███    ██▀
██        ▀▀█▄▄▄▄▄▄█▀     ██
██▄   ▄  ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄  ▄▄     ▄█▀
 ██▄█▀  █▄▄█ █▄  █ ▄▄   ▄██
  ███   █▄▄█ █   █▄▄█  ▄█▀
   ████▄             ▄██▀
    ▀█▀█▄▄█▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███▀
       ▀▀▀████▀▀▀▀
WIN REAL CRYPTO IN THE REAL DROP
JOIN $20,000,000 CRYPTODROP
|Join Fury Game
Get Free Crypto
BFG, USDT, BTC, ETH
|▄████████████████████████▄
██████████████████████████
████▀▀▀▀▀██████████▀▀▀████
████▄ ▀█▄ ▀██████▀  ▄█████
██████▄ ▀█▄ ▀██▀  ▄███████
████████▄ ▀█▄   ▄█████████
██████████▄ ██ ▀██████████
█████████▀   ▀█▄ ▀████████
███████▀  ▄██▄ ▀█▄ ▀██████
█████▀  ▄██████▄ ▀█▄ ▀████
████▄▄▄██████████▄▄▄▄▄████
 ████████████████████████
▄█████████████████████▄
███████████████████████
████████████████▀▀█████
███████████▀▀▀    █████
██████▀▀▀   ▄▀   ██████
███▄     ▄█▀     ██████
██████▄ █▀      ███████
███████▌▐       ███████
████████ ▄██▄  ████████
██████████████▄████████
███████████████████████
▀█████████████████████▀
...PLAY...
Zanab247
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232
Merit: 156


★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!


View Profile
December 20, 2021, 08:18:50 PM
 #67

1- Poor people need food that will enable them to settle down to learn so many things on crypto investment.
2- Poor people need knowledge on how to go far in trading and how to become rich with their trading in the market.
3- Poor people need a mentor who will mentor them on how to use decentralized currency to improve their businesses in the community.
4- Poor people need to be rich in the community because they are human too in the community. If they can be able to obey all the rules that guide crypto trading , they can become rich like the rich people in the community.

dbc23
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1036
Merit: 311


View Profile
December 22, 2021, 06:41:12 AM
 #68

Money management is critical for all investors not just the poor. What the poor need basically is determination to outgrow their state of mind as poverty begins from the mind. Once the mind is conquered it would be easier to see all things as the ought to be. After the mind is won then we look it acquiring the right knowledge and skills for any venture at all. Then mentorship comes in
globalpain
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1260
Merit: 103


The OGz Club


View Profile
December 22, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
 #69

Money management is critical for all investors not just the poor. What the poor need basically is determination to outgrow their state of mind as poverty begins from the mind. Once the mind is conquered it would be easier to see all things as the ought to be. After the mind is won then we look it acquiring the right knowledge and skills for any venture at all. Then mentorship comes in
Rich people don't just waste their money and they really manage it well so that their wealth lasts,
and maybe that's the difference from the rest of us that most of us think we don't need to manage money well,
I hope that this mindset can be changed

The OGz Club     [ [ [ [ [   The 1st & Only #MemeFi Project   ] ] ] ] ]
Website     ◢ Reddit     ◢ Telegram     ◢ Twitter     ◢ TikTok     ◢ Facebook
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄     ►► Powered by BOUNTY DETECTIVE     ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
Renampun
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2338
Merit: 365


★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!


View Profile WWW
December 22, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
 #70

Money management is critical for all investors not just the poor. What the poor need basically is determination to outgrow their state of mind as poverty begins from the mind. Once the mind is conquered it would be easier to see all things as the ought to be. After the mind is won then we look it acquiring the right knowledge and skills for any venture at all. Then mentorship comes in
Rich people don't just waste their money and they really manage it well so that their wealth lasts,
and maybe that's the difference from the rest of us that most of us think we don't need to manage money well,
I hope that this mindset can be changed
There are many ways to change the mindset, one of that is to try to do it...

successful people have been able to control the greed that is in them so that they can be more free to direct their thoughts in a better direction. whereas poor people tend to be greedy and have no desire to direct their thoughts and money in a good direction, they tend to think more about buying things that are not important when earning money than investing.



BIG WINNER!
[15.00000000 BTC]


▄████████████████████▄
██████████████████████
██████████▀▀██████████
█████████░░░░█████████
██████████▄▄██████████
███████▀▀████▀▀███████
██████░░░░██░░░░██████
███████▄▄████▄▄███████
████▀▀████▀▀████▀▀████
███░░░░██░░░░██░░░░███
████▄▄████▄▄████▄▄████
██████████████████████
▀████████████████████▀
▄████████████████████▄
██████████████████████
█████▀▀█▀▀▀▀▀▀██▀▀████
█████░░░░░░░░░░░░░▄███
█████░░░░░░░░░░░░▄████
█████░░▄███▄░░░░██████
█████▄▄███▀░░░░▄██████
█████████░░░░░░███████
████████░░░░░░░███████
███████░░░░░░░░███████
███████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███████
██████████████████████
▀████████████████████▀
▄████████████████████▄
███████████████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
███████████▀▀▄▄█░░░░░█
█████████▀░░█████░░░░█
███████▀░░░░░████▀░░░▀
██████░░░░░░░░▀▄▄█████
█████░▄░░░░░▄██████▀▀█
████░████▄░███████░░░░
███░█████░█████████░░█
███░░░▀█░██████████░░█
███░░░░░░████▀▀██▀░░░░
███░░░░░░███░░░░░░░░░░
▀██░▄▄▄▄░████▄▄██▄░░░░
▄████████████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██▄
█████████████░█▀▀▀█░███
██████████▀▀░█▀░░░▀█░▀▀
███████▀░▄▄█░█░░░░░█░█▄
████▀░▄▄████░▀█░░░█▀░██
███░▄████▀▀░▄░▀█░█▀░▄░▀
█▀░███▀▀▀░░███░▀█▀░███░
▀░███▀░░░░░████▄░▄████░
░███▀░░░░░░░█████████░░
░███░░░░░░░░░███████░░░
███▀░██░░░░░░▀░▄▄▄░▀░░░
███░██████▄▄░▄█████▄░▄▄
▀██░████████░███████░█▀
▄████████████████████▄
████████▀▀░░░▀▀███████
███▀▀░░░░░▄▄▄░░░░▀▀▀██
██░▀▀▄▄░░░▀▀▀░░░▄▄▀▀██
██░▄▄░░▀▀▄▄░▄▄▀▀░░░░██
██░▀▀░░░░░░█░░░░░██░██
██░░░▄▄░░░░█░██░░░░░██
██░░░▀▀░░░░█░░░░░░░░██
██░░░░░▄▄░░█░░░░░██░██
██▄░░░░▀▀░░█░██░░░░░██
█████▄▄░░░░█░░░░▄▄████
█████████▄▄█▄▄████████
▀████████████████████▀




Rainbot
Daily Quests
Faucet
Congyang
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 882
Merit: 110


View Profile
December 22, 2021, 09:06:53 PM
 #71

Money management is critical for all investors not just the poor. What the poor need basically is determination to outgrow their state of mind as poverty begins from the mind. Once the mind is conquered it would be easier to see all things as the ought to be. After the mind is won then we look it acquiring the right knowledge and skills for any venture at all. Then mentorship comes in
Rich people don't just waste their money and they really manage it well so that their wealth lasts,
and maybe that's the difference from the rest of us that most of us think we don't need to manage money well,
I hope that this mindset can be changed
There are many ways to change the mindset, one of that is to try to do it...

successful people have been able to control the greed that is in them so that they can be more free to direct their thoughts in a better direction. whereas poor people tend to be greedy and have no desire to direct their thoughts and money in a good direction, they tend to think more about buying things that are not important when earning money than investing.
This is something that is unavoidable.
The reason for the rich people who don't really squander too much by buying things is actually a natural thing, they have felt that what they need has been done since they were there because they are rich.
on the other hand things like this will not happen to poor people because they are completely deprived indirectly if they get wealth suddenly, so their intuition wants to show and feel what they did not feel before.
Actually this is very sad when it is the poor who are in the poverty line but are underestimated because they are considered as greedy people.
You have to see from the other side my friend, before saying such things.
pinggoki
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1512
Merit: 417


View Profile
December 23, 2021, 04:44:54 AM
 #72

Not everyone can invest even if they have jobs and they want to, some people just have the enough money to be able to live by and nothing left to save so stop calling those jobs a bullshit job because that's disrespectful towards those people that's doing those jobs, you go to McDonald's right? Then you should know that the food won't serve itself.
BitKongy
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 405
Merit: 19


View Profile
December 23, 2021, 10:02:28 AM
 #73

Been poor and been rich as something to do with fate, I've seen people that died after achieving their long term battled dream and I've seen some getting lucky even while they only fight a little, the only way there will be balance in this world is poor and the rich co existing, we can't all be rich it won't make any sense, it's why it's very important to put God first before starting your journey or fighting any battle
Oasisman
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2646
Merit: 550


View Profile WWW
December 23, 2021, 11:14:19 AM
 #74

Education is important to execute a successful life. Lack of proper education made people poor. Because they do not know how to use their savings properly. Managing wealth is very important to be rich and education is the vital element to do that. So first we need to establish a proper education system where people will be able to educate themself properly. That's what poor people need most.

What can you say about those people who got so much wealth but they didn't even have a college degree nor even finished the secondary education level?
Education is important, but what is more important to avoid being poor can be found within ourselves. If a person has been contented with what the corrupt government offered them, then it is their choice to stay poor.
If an individual strives to reach their goal to get out of the state of being poor, he'll always find a way.

There's a saying, If there's a will there's a way.
maju69
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1008
Merit: 104



View Profile
December 23, 2021, 11:45:47 AM
 #75

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my interpretation, but you seem to reduce poverty to the failure of individuals. The issue of poverty is rather complex so to speak. It is not even simply about a man having nothing to eat, much less about his failure to manage whatever he has-- time, wealth, and otherwise. 

From where I am writing, there are structural and systemic causes of poverty. An industrious farmer remains poor all his life despite giving his all.
I think the cause is relying too much on muscles. From several places I have seen, a farmer can reap many times the profits from his harvest. The problem is they are reluctant to leave the situation, even though if they are willing to set aside a little money to say invest, I think they will get out of that zone.
Then the profits from the harvest are used for farming again and usually the results obtained are actually a loss, it could be due to falling prices or being exposed to pests. And so on.
So as long as they're still using the same pattern it's a bit difficult for them to get more results than they did.

Peanutswar
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1582
Merit: 1103


Top Crypto Casino


View Profile WWW
December 23, 2021, 12:51:26 PM
 #76

Some people have different status even though they want to follow the steps of rich investors but the problem is they need to focus on their needs and those needs require investment can't do anymore. Also to the people who capable to get more knowledge, investment and asset try to make a good decision for yourselves as possible try to grow your money its hard to live a poor life and die still in a poor life. Try to become more skillfup its more ideal than having only a knowledge.

.
.BLACKJACK ♠ FUN.
█████████
██████████████
████████████
█████████████████
████████████████▄▄
░█████████████▀░▀▀
██████████████████
░██████████████
████████████████
░██████████████
████████████
███████████████░██
██████████
CRYPTO CASINO &
SPORTS BETTING
▄▄███████▄▄
▄███████████████▄
███████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████
▀███████████████▀
█████████
.
cheezcarls
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2254
Merit: 658


Revolutionized copy gaming platform


View Profile
December 23, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
 #77

Why the heck poor people need fund managers? All they need is knowledge about managing and growing their finances. No disrespect to schools and universities, but they’re just teaching us to be poor by only sticking to employment until we retire. For them to get started, they need not to stick with what they have. Perhaps they can do a side job to increase their income, and then some of it to build their own small business.

In the Philippines, there are inspiring stories where they just started small in selling products until they finally made a fortune for their hardwork and success, which always starts with an idea and not being an employee for the rest of their lives.

Pla
                             ▄██████████▌
████             ▐███████████▌
  ████         ▐████    ███
   ▐████     ▐████     ███       ███      ▂▃▅
     ████    ████        ███      ███████
        ███    ████        ███      ███████
         ▐██    ████        ███      ███          
                 █████         ███      ███
              █████▌         ███      ███
           █████▌            ███      ███
     ██████▌
███████
ade.win
██            ██
██            ██
██            ██
██         ██
  ▌         ██
  ▌   ██    ██
        ██    ██
        ██      ▌
        ██      ▌
        ██
        ██
.R E V O L U T I O N A R Y   C O P Y   G A M I N G   P L A T F O R M  .
██            ██
██            ██
██            ██
██         ██ 
  ▌         ██
  ▌   ██    ██
        ██    ██
        ██      ▌
        ██      ▌
        ██
        ██
█▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█
█ ████▀▀▀▀▀███████▀▀▀████ █
█ █████▄  █ ████▀  ▄█████ █
█ ██████▄  █ █▀  ▄███████ █
█ ███████▄  █  ▄█████████ █
█ ████████▄  █ ██████████ █
█ ██████▀  ▄█▄ █ ████████ █
█ ████▀  ▄███▄  █ ███████ █
█ ██▀   ██████▄  █ ██████ █
█ ██▄▄▄████████▄▄▄▄▄█████ █
█▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█
Play Smart Win Big!
Cling18
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1708
Merit: 126


View Profile
December 23, 2021, 01:49:35 PM
 #78

This strategy is easy to understand especially for people who are into crypto investment but to be honest, lots of poor people have a different mindset and some of them lack knowledge about crypto so I don't think they could easily apply or adapt this advice. Poor people will remain poor if they wouldn't handle their funds smartly.
dataispower
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1330
Merit: 289



View Profile
December 23, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
 #79

Whatever poor person needs to grow and sustain life a worthy person also need it in addition to clappe to another position, the difference between person that is poor and person that is rich is long, the thing is that a poor person have poor reasoning and rich person have fast reasoning, that is why poor person always have different suggestion and thinking mentality for investment, why they are poor is that they want to take risk, a risky taker is opportune to possessed better position, from cryptocurrency investment what is needed is mind of investment and information to back it up
Mauser
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1834
Merit: 529


View Profile
December 23, 2021, 02:58:34 PM
 #80

This sounds great on paper, but how do we actually convince poor people to try and save some money. There are a lot of different reasons why people struggle to save money. For example, no income, no trust in banks, no regulation of spending habits. A friend of my parents has a buying problem which makes it very hard for her to save any money and accumulate wealth. I wouldn't call her poor, she has a normal car, good clothes and is renting a decent apartment. She is also not middle class because she has no savings. Every month she is in overdraft of her bank account. For years she spents a the money she gets every month. Trying to convince her to set some money aside is fruitless, my parents have tried for many years. It's hard to change a person.
Pages: « 1 2 3 [4] 5 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!