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Today at 06:41:58 PM
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That's right, missing out to invest at certain interval is not a big deal, you can just continue the next week or month and continue investing as scheduled, all that matters is consistency. This strategy makes everything a lot easier for us, no need to stress out just have your discretionary income and invest based on your schedule and you can go on with your busy work. As long as you are investing with a long time mindset all you need is to be consistent with the investment and try to invest as scheduled.
This is not even a problem what matters is how determined such invetsor is to keep up whenever, you know what? The major setback for some investors is knowing the process and of course the strategy to stick to as you've already written, I don't think there's any investment that's easy as Bitcoin, when you compare the value of Bitcoin, you'll understand that the discreationary income that's required of every investor to invest with through the unpressured means which is the DCA strategy, makes if very easy for us all to get in, an become consistent with the discreationary income available and hodl for a long-term.
It is important to understand that investing is never stressful for those who understand Bitcoin. Bitcoin investment is not difficult if you have the real desire, it is not very risky if you believe in its potential and hold it for the long term, you can easily collect Bitcoin through DCA strategy without stress if you have proper financial management, and if you have real faith then you can easily ignore the volatility and be stable in the long term and hold it consistently. the bitcoin investment is very easy to take with the right knowledge and research, but if we think about it wrongly then it is very difficult for us and even investing is very difficult, risky and impossible for us, so it depends on the mentality.

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We might be afraid of buying at a high price or at a price we could have bought at a lower price. With the DCA strategy, our fears are somewhat alleviated because we can accumulate more at a lower price.

By implementing this strategy, we can calmly continue holding Bitcoin, but of course, we must plan to hold it for a long time. I really enjoy investing with the DCA strategy because even though I don't have a large amount of funds, I can continue to make purchases gradually.
The DCA method doesn't guarantee purchasing at a lower price and it doesn't even matter what price we purchase at, the most important thing is holding for a long term because that is when we can be able to get something reasonable as an outcome and the DCA method doesn't care the market condition, it can be use at any given price of the market and  that is one of the reason I admire it so much and also the fact that anyone can invest provided they have a discrestionary income.
It seems you misunderstood what I said. What I meant was that when we use DCA, buying at a high price also gives us the opportunity to buy more at a lower price, which brings down our average purchase price—that’s what I meant.

As I said before, high prices shouldn’t be a reason for fear when we apply this strategy, because we can buy anytime and at any price. This also ensures we won’t miss out—sometimes we worry that if we don’t buy, the price might rise and we’ll miss out, while if we do buy, we worry the price might drop. Well, this strategy should help alleviate those concerns.

Your overall point is largely correct BlackBaron.  Anyone who continues to be in their accumulation stage is likely going to be much better off to be ongoingly buying at any price, and part of the reason to buy at higher prices (which you also implied to be the case) is that we cannot really know if prices are high or not, even if the price had gone up a lot, at any point in time, we cannot really have much confidence of knowing whether they price will correct or just continue to go up... Sure, some guys might slow down their BTC buys as the BTC prices are going up, yet if they hold back too much, they might end up being wrong and the BTC price continues to go up in spite of it already having had gone up a lot already.

We might be afraid of buying at a high price or at a price we could have bought at a lower price. With the DCA strategy, our fears are somewhat alleviated because we can accumulate more at a lower price.

By implementing this strategy, we can calmly continue holding Bitcoin, but of course, we must plan to hold it for a long time. I really enjoy investing with the DCA strategy because even though I don't have a large amount of funds, I can continue to make purchases gradually.
The DCA method doesn't guarantee purchasing at a lower price and it doesn't even matter what price we purchase at, the most important thing is holding for a long term because that is when we can be able to get something reasonable as an outcome and the DCA method doesn't care the market condition, it can be use at any given price of the market and  that is one of the reason I admire it so much and also the fact that anyone can invest provided they have a discrestionary income.
The DCA strategy can be considered a good strategy because despite our ambitions it's done in a healthy way, as you pursue wealth growth without greed meaning you don't invest all your money immediately in Bitcoin. You prioritize the art of investing because you enjoy the process of slowly building assets over the long term.

The DCA strategy is also very suitable and effective as long as you have a steady income which is the key point. Having a steady income allows you to develop automatic discipline because every time you receive your salary you already know how much you can set aside. Furthermore, DCA can reduce the impact of market volatility whether the market is up or down, so you keep buying regardless resulting in a lower average price in the long term.

It is not required that income is steady in order to deploy DCA.. and we can DCA whenever discretionary funds are available and choose the amount that we deploy into bitcoin every time that we determine that we have enough discretionary funds available.

The DCA method doesn't guarantee purchasing at a lower price and it doesn't even matter what price we purchase at, the most important thing is holding for a long term because that is when we can be able to get something reasonable as an outcome and the DCA method doesn't care the market condition, it can be use at any given price of the market and  that is one of the reason I admire it so much and also the fact that anyone can invest provided they have a discrestionary income.
The right thing to note about the DCA method is that price is not a factor because it is more concerned with buying bitcoin at amount considered small compared to the entire purchasing budget, and this being done regularly. The essence of the DCA method is to make the buying process easy and stress free such that the investor can purchase bitcoin without any single financial pressure on him. Even though the DCA method is not only for low income earners, the find it particularly helpful because it has helped them to be able to invest in bitcoin building gradually until they achieve something magnificent.
Yes The DCA strategy is a very good strategy to use as an investor. It does not give you pressure. It allows you to accumulate with any amount of money you have with you, DCA strategy is one of the best investment strategies however it is not comfortable for those who are too engaged with appointments, businesses or investment because you may be forgetting that you need to accumulate, this set of people, lump sum are the best for them.

That is a strange presumption.  You want to presume that busy people do not have time to deploy DCA buys, when DCA buys may be done once a week or perhaps on some other basis, and they could even be set to take place on an automatic basis.

I would consider that lump sum becomes a consideration for anyone who might get extra funds all of a sudden and they want to consider those funds for bitcoin buying, so then once they get the lump sums they can determine the amount, if any, that they want to dedicate to 1) buying right away, 2) defer by DCA and/or 3) defer by dips (that may or may not end up happening).

Yes DCA strategy is not meant for the low income earners alone even those high income earners can also use and benefit from DCA strategy, DCA strategy is the reason why a lot of of us are still in bitcoin investments because it makes everything very easy for us. When I started bitcoin investment I only buy in the dip that strategy was not comfortable for me. It was slowing me down in my accumulation process.

You are correct that DCA applies to everyone and they can figure out how aggressive (or not) that they would like to be when they are deploying some form of DCA.. and even if their income and/or their expense is irregular, they can determine the ways that DCA makes sense to them. 

Buying the dip can end up involving quite a bit of waiting and strategizing that may end up increasingly devolving into not taking regular and consistent buying action.. and to end up putting guys into a wrong mentality in term of how much priority is likely in their interest to ongoingly and regularly be buying bitcoin rather than waiting for dips that may or may not end up happening.

First the DCA strategy doesn't have any fixed price in which an investor is to buy bitcoin. With this strategy we can buy when the price is low and also when the price is high. However talking accumulating more at a lower price sounds more like keeping some percentage of our discretionary income for buying the dip whenever it occurs or to do lump sum buying.
Yes you can be flexible with the process if you want, that's just like you taking advantage of such market dips and buying aggressively when the market bleeds extensively while still maintaining your strategy so it doesn't have to affect your DCA process. However all depends on ones income for you to be able to do that.

There are always trade offs in the employment of strategies to accumulate bitcoin, even if the investor had determined to accumulate through ongoing buying only.   So there is no way to proclaim that it is better to change the level of aggressiveness based on changes in bitcoin prices rather than perhaps based on the strength of cashflow management, including the degree to which back up funds are in place and in a strong status.

A real investor may never have time to buy. When an investor sees a market decline, he may consider this decline as a bonus and continue to buy aggressively depending on his financial situation. But an investor will continue to buy Bitcoin at the highest price until he is able to reach his portfolio goal.
Even if the price of Bitcoin reaches its all time highest level, the investor can invest in Bitcoin, but the investor will have to continue regular long-term investment following the DCA method. In this way, if the price increases or decreases, it will not be a cause of loss for him. And if he only wants to invest in lump sum, he can do that too, but he must maintain long-term investment. But if he can acquire good knowledge about Bitcoin, then the DCA method can play the most helpful role for the investor in his investment. The investor will be able to increase his investment without any comparative risk. The increase or decrease in the price of Bitcoin will not be an obstacle for him, rather he will get the opportunity to purchase Bitcoin according to his ability.
We might be afraid of buying at a high price or at a price we could have bought at a lower price. With the DCA strategy, our fears are somewhat alleviated because we can accumulate more at a lower price.
We don’t have to fear to buy at any time, if the market goes down after we buy, we can still take the advantage of the dip to buy more, no on would ever regret buying before the market drop, unless the person is timing the market.the DCA method will reduce the risks, since you are not buying all at once, you buy gradually depending on your choice. Whether market fall or rise you will still buy.

You seem to be implying that money comes out of nowhere @SmartCharpa.  The only way that you can buy more on the dip, after you had already been buying, would be that you had held back some money, or perhaps if you are just referring to your regular buys (such as weekly), in which you end up buying when it dips (or if it dips).

If you are regularly buying within your budget in a DCA kind of a way, then you can set the level of aggressiveness based on those regular buys, yet you are not necessarily going to have any extra money for buying the dips, unless you are holding back.. and so that is the trade off.. whether or not to hold any back, and if  so, how much to hold back... which may or may not be a good idea depending on what place a person might be in his bitcoin accumulation journey.

There may well be times in which a person either surprisingly receives extra money during dip periods, or perhaps during dips, or as a result of dips, he thinks about some ways that he is able to generate extra funds or even to reallocate some funds into bitcoin that had been designated towards something else.

So many times, guys try to act as if there are no trade offs to be able to buy bitcoin more aggressively on the dip, which likely signifies that they had previously been choosing to buy bitcoin more whimpily in order to preserve money for buying dips that may or may not end up happening.

First the DCA strategy doesn't have any fixed price in which an investor is to buy bitcoin. With this strategy we can buy when the price is low and also when the price is high. However talking accumulating more at a lower price sounds more like keeping some percentage of our discretionary income for buying the dip whenever it occurs or to do lump sum buying.
Of course, the DCA doesn’t have a fixed price that you can buy buy bitcoin, with this method you can buy and the market is high, with this same method, you can still buy when the price is low. That is the best thing why people like the way, it is makes people comfortable with their accumulation without too much pressure, only you and your plan. Using the DCA doesn’t determine success for investment, the most important thing is to keep buying continuously, no need to consider the market.

Of course if anyone knows that the BTC price is high or it is low, then the person is going to buy when it is low rather than when it is high.  So the ongoing buying values the buying and locking in the price and locking in the bitcoin accumulation in order to prepare in case the bitcoin price goes high, but there is no real way of knowing if the BTC price is going to go up, down or sideway, even when people are proclaiming that they know and even when they are proclaiming with a high level of confidence that they know which way the BTC price might end up going...

So surely anyone would prefer to buy bitcoin for lower prices if they are able to, yet guys who are ongoingly accumulating and investing in bitcoin for the long term, such as 4-10 years or longer in the future, they likely realize that it is more valuable to be ongoingly accumulating bitcoin rather than trying to guess the bitcoin price and/or assigning higher probabilities to down than what really exists in reality.  So, in that sense, there is value to just keep buying no matter the price.. .and to have some confidence that if a guy is ongoingly, consistently, persistently, regularly and perhaps even aggressively buying bitcoin (without fucking around with selling and/or waiting for dips that might not happen), then his bitcoin stash is ongoingly going up whenever he makes BTC purchases, and perhaps every month he can show his bitcoin balance as being higher than it was the previous month, which can happen month after month after month, and then after several years, they will see that the quantity of their bitcoin stash had grown quite stupendously.. so even if they are not guaranteed that the BTC price is going to be higher or lower, as long as they were successful in ongoingly buying bitcoin, they will be guaranteed that had accumulated way more bitcoin  later down the road and perhaps even way more bitcoin than they imagined to be possible for them to accumulate.

If the guy is then 4-6 years down the road, he can make some assessment if he needs to be trying to continue to follow the same or a similar ongoing bitcoin accumulation strategy or whether he might make some adjustments to his bitcoin accumulation strategy based on where he is at.. which at some point guys progress into a status where they might be more at maintenance and less emphasis on accumulation and perhaps even at a later stage they might sense that they have enough or more than enough and they don't really need to accumulate more bitcoin... and sure, it can take quite a bit of time to reach these different stages, and ongoing buying of bitcoin does tend to help them to make ongoing progress in terms of building up their bitcoin stash size.

We can call this the Bitcoin accumulation strategy regardless of the price. An investor can also buy a lump sum of Bitcoin with his cash funds. The strategy is to maintain a balanced buy even during price fluctuations while having a regular flow of income and DCA through discretionary income. If the strategies are to increase Bitcoin holdings some investors may aggressively DCA during bearish periods and increase their Bitcoin stash. You can take the opportunity to buy Bitcoin lump sum at a time when you have cash flow. Maintaining this flow can lead you bitcoin overaccumulation stage at a certain time.
You have said some important points. But keep in mind here is that DCA, dip buying, lump sum should not be mixed together. There is no rule that DCA has to be done at a fixed amount . This is the good side of DCA. DCA also is not a matter of investing depending on bitcoin price. It is a way of buying regularly. But if this buying rule includes dip buying or lump sum issues. Then there is a possibility of changing the mindset from DCA. Therefore, DCA should be the main base of investment. And dip buy or lump sum can be an experimental purpose . However, as you said, some extra cash can be invested  with  dip buy or lump sum. However, it is safer to invest in lump sum than buying in dip. Because  the thought of buying dip can changed investor mindset from dca to short time trading .

You make a lot of strange points @ruykeri.  Sure, DCA is the preferred strategy and tends to be more flexible for anyone to use in accordance with both the amount of discretionary income they have and also in terms of the strength of their cashflow management.

At the same time, anyone has the choice to incorportate lump sum and/or buying on the dips in order to supplement (or replace) DCA, even though ongoingly DCA still tends to be best.

Lump sum might not be available very often for folks who might not have high levels of discretionary funds and/or who do not have other investments.. Yet, at the same time, anyone could end up coming into a situation in which lump sum becomes an option, and surely it would seem to me that they are in a better position to informedly consider and exercise their options if they already have regular BTC buying in place and they already have been strengthening and/or maintaining their cashflow management systems (that includes back up funds).

Of course, if there is newness in the putting of BTC buying systems/practice in place, and also the early stages of strengthening cashflow management systems/practices, then sure there could be some experimenting that happen when lump sum comes available, yet it hardly makes any sense to be experimenting with buying the dip, since that sounds like trading and/or gambling, even though most of us should  recognize and/or appreciate that when we are planning to buy the dips, then such dips might not end up happening, so we may well put ourselves into a better situation if we, at least, do some preplanning regarding how much of a dip we will be buying how much, instead of just winging it... but yeah, guys can choose what they are doing and if they might be overly employing waiting strategies rather than ongoing buying of BTC strategies, and so they are ongoingly learning (to the extent that might be what you had meant when you suggested that "experimenting" might be part of what is happening with planning to buy dips that may or may not end up happening).

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Today at 07:16:11 PM
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The DCA strategy is also very suitable and effective as long as you have a steady income which is the key point. Having a steady income allows you to develop automatic discipline because every time you receive your salary you already know how much you can set aside.
The key Point is having discretionary income available from your steady income,. That is what you use the invest into bitcoin and build out backup funds, without having funds remaining from you income after taking care of you expenses which is discretionary income,. You should not invest, else you are only gambling with bitcoin rather than investing into it.

How much you set aside depends on your expenses budget for the period of consideration, maybe monthly, it is not going to be fixed and expenses tend to increase or decrease within the specified period of inflow and this would affect our available discretionary income. When you remove the expenses budget from your main income, you can put divide the remainder into 3 and put 1 part, into buying bitcoin, the other part into building your emergency fund and the last part into your reserve fund.


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Today at 08:08:24 PM
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That's right, missing out to invest at certain interval is not a big deal, you can just continue the next week or month and continue investing as scheduled, all that matters is consistency. This strategy makes everything a lot easier for us, no need to stress out just have your discretionary income and invest based on your schedule and you can go on with your busy work. As long as you are investing with a long time mindset all you need is to be consistent with the investment and try to invest as scheduled.
This is not even a problem what matters is how determined such invetsor is to keep up whenever, you know what? The major setback for some investors is knowing the process and of course the strategy to stick to as you've already written, I don't think there's any investment that's easy as Bitcoin, when you compare the value of Bitcoin, you'll understand that the discreationary income that's required of every investor to invest with through the unpressured means which is the DCA strategy, makes if very easy for us all to get in, an become consistent with the discreationary income available and hodl for a long-term.
It is important to understand that investing is never stressful for those who understand Bitcoin. Bitcoin investment is not difficult if you have the real desire, it is not very risky if you believe in its potential and hold it for the long term, you can easily collect Bitcoin through DCA strategy without stress if you have proper financial management, and if you have real faith then you can easily ignore the volatility and be stable in the long term and hold it consistently. the bitcoin investment is very easy to take with the right knowledge and research, but if we think about it wrongly then it is very difficult for us and even investing is very difficult, risky and impossible for us, so it depends on the mentality.

It is true that Bitcoin investment is easy but it's not as easy as you are talking about it because if it was that easy as you are saying about it by now everyone would have invested in Bitcoin. Bitcoin investment is not just about having the right knowledge or having the desire because there are people who has all these and yet they don't hold for long . No investment is risk free including Bitcoin investment that is why we should use our discretionary income ( leftover) to accumulate.

 
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