JJG’s Outline of Bitcoin Investment Ideas

[Obulis]

You don’t need a large amount of money to invest in other words, you can start and make investments even with a small amount of money. Basically, once you’ve decided to invest, do it as soon as possible there’s no need to wait for a large sum of money. It’s better to adjust your investments to your own financial capacity, no matter how small the amount. I was once laughed at by a friend for starting with a small investment, but because I did it consistently, in the end my friend fell behind because they waited for a large sum of money to invest.

Your answer is correct. What's essential in investing is having the intention to invest so the amount isn't the main priority. For example someone might have a large amount of money but have no intention of investing at all. This indicates that it's difficult for us to start an approach to refer to someone who can invest. Therefore what's really needed in investing is the intention to start.

The problem of the amount can be done later and this does not mean that money is not necessary but more towards the intention and mentality that is most prioritized by someone to start investing in Bitcoin so that if you already have the intention of course with a small amount what is important is understanding how to maintain the investment that is done because the knowledge about how to invest is already owned so that if one day when you have a lot of capital or money it will certainly not be difficult anymore in investing especially by making long-term investments it will be more practical to do by someone who actually has experience and knowledge in the end you only need to control what you do on the investment to protect against the risks in investing in Bitcoin.

Just like the case of DCA strategy, start with the available discretionary funds and keep keeping on so that should the amount you can afford to lose increases, your Bitcoin investment also increases instead of waiting until there's large sum of start up capital. Starting as much as one can afford will amount to different advantages ranging from the portfolio to the experiences this makes not waiting to have so much or large capital before investing in Bitcoin as if waiting to buy Bitcoin by lump sum on the dip a wonderful thing do.

Start with the available discretionary funds that's available funds you can afford to lose, this is a healthy balance advice to newbies with licking pocket or poor financial management.

[Finebone]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

[Sim_card]

Of course we invest with the intention of profiting from Bitcoin. We have to learn to control ourselves, if we cannot control ourselves and withdraw our entire profit or withdraw our investment, then it is not the right decision at all. We have to control ourselves and ignore the small profits and move forward. But maybe the main purpose of each of us is to make a profit.

It's not everyone that is investing in bitcion that's investing solemnly because of profits. Some people are investing in bitcion to preserve from wealth from inflation since bitcoin is a store of value. A brand new investor shouldn't put profit in mind when he has started his bitcoin investment and shouldn't be motivated to invest because of profits.

He should be motivated because bitcoin gives him the opportunity to be his own bank and also it's a store of value overtime which will save his hard earned money from losing its purchasing power overtime. Therefore, having a bitcoin target that you will accumulate should be what motivates you and not profit so that, you can stay focus and keep your bitcoin accumulation ongoing with your regular weekly DCA, consistent and persistent overtime.

Profit is an additional benefits, you get for investing in bitcion and hosli overtime because if you depend on profit as a motivational factor, you might pause your bitcoin accumulation during the bear market when the price keep dipping which is wrong since, you have your discretionary income available or you might start selling too many bitcoin too soon because you think your bitcoin stash has given the profit you desire

[Saltysugar99]

Just like the case of DCA strategy, start with the available discretionary funds and keep keeping on so that should the amount you can afford to lose increases, your Bitcoin investment also increases instead of waiting until there's large sum of start up capital. Starting as much as one can afford will amount to different advantages ranging from the portfolio to the experiences this makes not waiting to have so much or large capital before investing in Bitcoin as if waiting to buy Bitcoin by lump sum on the dip a wonderful thing do.

Start with the available discretionary funds that's available funds you can afford to lose, this is a healthy balance advice to newbies with licking pocket or poor financial management.

I agree with you that there is no need to wait until you have accumulated a large capital to start investing in Bitcoin. Many newbies think that they will buy a large amount at once or buy a good dip, but in reality they cannot start. So it is better to start small but according to their cashflow. it is necessary to be careful about saying that it is afford to lose money. Because many newbies understand this as a gambling mindset. We should say it as the  Discretionary income. Discretionary income  does not mean money that is worthless or worth throwing away. Rather, the extra money that remains after meeting basic needs, bills, emergency fund and necessary responsibilities is discretionary income. From that extra money, someone can invest something, save something, and keep some for personal spending.

This is where the DCA strategy comes . An investor can accumulate Bitcoin with a small amount weekly or monthly according to his income and expenses. Later, if his income increases or expenses decrease, he can increase his DCA amount. Again, if his cashflow is weak, he can continue investing by reducing the amount. So, the strategy should not be based on price prediction, but on your budget, cashflow and backup fund. Dip buying is not bad, but it can be harmful for newbies who are waiting for the dip. Because it gets them stuck in a waiting mindset instead of taking action. On the other hand, those who buy small amounts regularly not only increase their Bitcoin , but also gain experience in managing market volatility.

So in my opinion, you should start with available discretionary income, but at the same time, you should build an emergency fund and a backup fund. Bitcoin investment is not just about buying only bitcoin it is about creating a system that will help an investor hold for 4 to 10 years or more, without forcing them to panic sell.

[B-BossMan]

In the very beginning, many of us (and perhaps especially poor people with low levels of discretionary funds) are going to be putting ourselves and our bitcoin holdings at risk by ONLY having small amounts of back up funds, and so we likely need to be careful to make sure that we are not getting greedy or sloppy.. and so the balance is likely not easy, and not everyone can have their problems resolved by increasing their discretionary funds, so they have to work with the funds that they have.. [b/]

I agree with this that in the beginning, for every investor or newbies,building a Bitcoin position is sometimes the most challenging stages for some investors,most especially for people that has lower limited discretionary income and little back up funds.  Whenever thier funds are low, even common small emergency issues can trigger their midset and be forced to sell part of their Bitcoin holdings at that moment and at the wrong time, uprooting out thier months or years of accumulation,and that's why as a new investor or even an experienced investor you should have a proper management of risk and disciplines than trying to stack aggressively.

However, some people actually assumed that the solution is to earn more money, but that is not truth, the truth is some investors must definitely works within thier present or current financial conditions and make the best use of the money available. Consistent buying small amounts if Bitcoin over time and also be gradually strengthening thier emergency funds savings it’s far more better than investing large amounts of thier money recklessly. Moreover a sustainable method is  DCA strategy which that can definitely produce a long-term results than putting themselves into a situation that lead them to be forced to sell off during a tight period. So protecting our financial stability and then make our bitcoin survive at the early stages is actually what allows our bitcoin stack to grows over time

[Abbatty]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

Why set you mind on something that you know is not guaranteed. We should know bitcoin is a volatile asset and making profit is not 100% guaranteed, so having a profit mindset will only lead you to trading rather than investing. Thinking about profit making are for those that don’t invest for their future but rather to meet ends need, and these kind of people are people who end up using more than their discretionary income in investing.

What should serve as a motivation to you should be the target you set for yourself and how to meet that target on or before that time and not profit making.

[Morayoam91]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

Short-term plans for investing can be a cause of loss because it is clear that long-term plans for investing are better here. The market does not always give you the opportunity to create opportunities and make profits. It may increase a little, but the first mistake you make to make quick profits is not to move forward with your long-term goals. The other is that even if you are satisfied with some short-term gains, if their value goes higher than that, then you will be disappointed, just as current investors are disappointed with past mistakes.

[ndutndut]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

I'm confused by you. So, what are you investing for if not profit? Sometimes you have to be honest with yourself because having a profit oriented mindset is always your initial motivation for investing without it no one would ever start investing. The hope of earning better returns than savings or time deposits is why people encourage people to learn, set aside money and hold Bitcoin assets.

However, it's true that a mindset focused solely on profit is often fragile. It's better to change the mindset from I want to make a lot of profit to I'm building ownership of assets with strong fundamentals that can ultimately lead to financial freedom in the future. Investing can also mean transferring value for the future.

[Promocodeudo]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

What you pointed out is just the fact, to some people it has always been profit all round and when you want to talk them into doing the right thing, they view as if you are just being hypocritical, and most of the guys that talk about profit are at the early stage of their Bitcoin accumulation but they occupy their minds with profit which may likely lead them into taking early bow, when expectations on something is very high and paraventure it doesn't happen as expected, I know how heartbreaking that can be, for me I will advice that folks concentrate more on building a good Bitcoin portfolio for it's value sake.

[Queen uloma]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

Anyone who invest only in other to make profit then, they will surely be frustrated. Once the profit does not come as they expected. Fear and doubt will start hunting them, that is how many people end up selling because things didn’t go as they expected. For me, profit is supposed to be seen as a result, not to be the main of  motivation. So the best mindset is to focus on consistency, risk management, patient, and longterm goals. Market does not move by anybody’s prediction. If your mind is fixed on quick profit, you may be disappointed when things slow down.
Any investor who reduce unnecessary profit expectations, and focus on building gradually, it will be more easier to avoid making emotional decisions that will affect his investment journey.

[Gost ms]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

Bitcoin is definitely an asset but the main reason to invest in Bitcoin is to make a profit. Bitcoin is not a land that we can buy and build a house on in the future and live there. But by investing in Bitcoin we can get enough money to buy 10 such houses if we are able to hold it for a long time. But I am not saying that if we hold it for a long time we will be profitable. Our main goal is to make a profit from Bitcoin.

There are some new people who cannot control themselves and become greedy and want to sell their holdings after seeing small profits. They should continue to buy continuously without being attracted to the price of their Bitcoin in the first place.

[Grease5000]

Why set you mind on something that you know is not guaranteed. We should know bitcoin is a volatile asset and making profit is not 100% guaranteed, so having a profit will only lead you to trading rather than investing. Thinking about profit making are for those that don’t invest for their future but rather to meet ends need, and these kind of people are people who end up using more than their discretionary income in investing.

What should serve as a motivation to you should be the target you set for yourself and how to meet that target on or before that time and not profit making.

I understand your point, and I agree that chasing profits shouldn't be the main motivation. I also believe having a target on the level of Accumulation you want to achieve is important because it gives you a purpose and keeps you consistent.

For me, I see bitcoin as a asset that's less about quick gains and more about preserving value over the long term. So instead of focusing on what profit I may make tomorrow I focus more on steadily converting my discretionary income into an asset I trust to hold value over time.

The approach which I like and prefer is to stay committed to your target and  invest only money one can afford to leave ontouch for a long time and see Bitcoin as a long term savings vehicle rather than a tool for meeting immediate needs.

[Muba20]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

Anyone who invest only in other to make profit then, they will surely be frustrated. Once the profit does not come as they expected. Fear and doubt will start hunting them, that is how many people end up selling because things didn’t go as they expected. For me, profit is supposed to be seen as a result, not to be the main of  motivation. So the best mindset is to focus on consistency, risk management, patient, and longterm goals. Market does not move by anybody’s prediction. If your mind is fixed on quick profit, you may be disappointed when things slow down.
Any investor who reduce unnecessary profit expectations, and focus on building gradually, it will be more easier to avoid making emotional decisions that will affect his investment journey.

The market does not work as we expect, so those who invest primarily in the hope of profit are mostly harmed due to excessive expectations. Looking only at profit increases the possibility of disappointment and making wrong decisions due to fear of excessive decline. Profit should not be ignored completely. By focusing on regular investments risk management and long-term planning investors can remain controlled in the long term. Bitcoin is a volatile asset. So patience and self-control are important here. And one should have realistic expectations to survive. When someone repeatedly monitors the market with the thought of additional profit, short-term volatility can also affect his decisions.

[Jaycoinz]

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

When you focus too much and only on making profit, you can easily get frustrated and sell any time, if the investment is not actually going as planned, so we should desist from reasoning in such a manner because being profit oriented doesn't serves as a motivation in any form, instead it wired your mindset with profit expectations that will only land you in frustration if the expected profit is not coming quickly or fast.

What you pointed out is just the fact, to some people it has always been profit all round and when you want to talk them into doing the right thing, they view as if you are just being hypocritical, and most of the guys that talk about profit are at the early stage of their Bitcoin accumulation but they occupy their minds with profit which may likely lead them into taking early bow, when expectations on something is very high and paraventure it doesn't happen as expected, I know how heartbreaking that can be, for me I will advice that folks concentrate more on building a good Bitcoin portfolio for it's value sake.

I don't think having the mind of profit is bad anyway but just that for some persons it later turns into greed and greed is the destroyer of so may things. At the initial stage for many investors, the goal was to accumulate profit over time, for some persons profit within the range of their holding capabilities, let's say maybe 5-10years circle ⭕ and while for others it's a way of gathering and piling their wealth for the future which will also bring profit if everything works and moves smoothly. Let's not forget also that Bitcoin investments doesn't guarantee quick wealth or profit and that's where the set of persons that go for greed comes in play because they have this mindset of why wait all that long when you can simply stack up by alternating into different things like trading which is absolutely the wrong way to go because that's gambling with some special names coated around it, for me trading is same logic same goal but different name and branding and trust the results is quite similar too so just keep your greed in check and save up with your interest at heart but the mentality of long term savings to get you that desired end goal.

[JayJuanGee]

Spending money on Bitcoin in the hope of making a profit through short-term trading can never be a good decision and mindset. It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing. But the thought of short-term profit often takes the investor away from long-term holding and accumulation. This is one of the reasons why investing in Bitcoin is a failure. An investor should have a strong long-term holding mindset from the beginning. And by being motivated with a positive thought of profit, long-term holding and DCA should be given more priority.

Whoa man that a very silly mindset towards bitcoin investment. It is never a good idea to have the mindset of making profits towards bitcoin holding, having the profits mindset would shift our mindset from the long term towards securing profits when we are in massive greens and the long term journey is to hold and hold for the future securing not securing profits during the way because sincerely that a traders mindset.

Forget about the profits and never prioritize profits at all, and you making the statement of seeing profits as a motivation is totally dumb man. You don’t need motivation during this journey, stay discipline and be consistent with the steady accumulation no need for motivation please.

Many new members are following up this strategies btw so we don’t need to get them confused neither misleading them please man. Never prioritize profits.

Of course we invest with the intention of profiting from Bitcoin. We have to learn to control ourselves, if we cannot control ourselves and withdraw our entire profit or withdraw our investment, then it is not the right decision at all. We have to control ourselves and ignore the small profits and move forward. But maybe the main purpose of each of us is to make a profit.

But yes, if a person invests and before the expiry of his investment period, if his investment continues to make a profit of 1 or 2 times, then he can withdraw some amount of money and enjoy it. But if he becomes greedy while enjoying the profit and is willing to sell the entire amount, then this will not be the right decision for him at all. Those who cannot control themselves should continue to buy continuously without paying attention to the profit

Your response is confusing Tongley.  You say that profits should be of less importance, yet at the same time, if profits go up to 1x or 2x of the investment, then it is o.k. to take some profits.  That is confusing, and seems to distract from what might be investment goals that might involve building up bitcoin holdings and to get bitcoin holdings to a sufficient size in which there might be justification to change our bitcoin accumulation approach or even potentially transition into some kind of an other phase in which we might be focusing more on bitcoin maintenance rather than bitcoin accumulation..

Another thing that seems to web through these various discussions of the importance (or lack of importance) in the consideration of profits in relation to bitcoin accumulation, it seems quite confusing that guys cannot allow for the monitoring of bitcoin holdings and accumulation and progress (or lack of progress) based on a variety of metrics, including considering the extent to which BTC holdings might be in profits or not.

There should be abilities to monitor and/or consider bitcoin profit levels (or lack of profits) without getting distracted by such metric. 

Guys are free to do whatever the fuck they want to do with their bitcoin, yet since we are talking about investing in this thread, we are also attempting to discuss various ways that guys might both establish bitcoin investment objectives and also to ongoingly be striving to make progress towards their bitcoin investment objectives.

It surely could be the case that individual circumstances change and "things come up" that were not expected at the time that the newbie bitcoin had gotten started, so in several senses, guys might have objectives to stay on track in their bitcoin investment and perhaps their earliest of stages would revolve around bitcoin accumulation, yet there could be situations in which there might need to be reconsiderations of the objectives to tweak them or to change them or to even cancel them, yet some of these possible deviations may well take some of these guys out of their bitcoin accumulation and investment ideas and practices and outside of the context of this thread.. .and there even could be some situations on the margin in which guys might be trying to decide what to do or what not to do, and the level of their profits (or lack of profits) could end up being one of the factors that affect how they are planning to proceed, even if they might have had ended up either falling off the investment plan that involves bitcoin accumulation or maybe they end up transitioning into a HODL position until maybe their circumstances change in such a way that they could resume accumulating bitcoin and/or strengthening and building their back up funds.

Part of my point here, is that level of bitcoin profits could be ongoingly monitored in bitcoin without such "profit" levels distracting guys from their bitcoin accumulation goals, and there could be guys who stack bitcoin for years and years and years, and surely depending on how much bitcoin they had accumulated during that time, if bitcoin prices change in extreme ways, either up or down, they could be affected by those changes, and those changes may or may not end up affecting their historical (and ongoing) practice of ongoingly, persistently, regularly, consistently and perhaps even aggressively accumulating bitcoin through buying...and also building and/or strengthening their cashflow management practices/systems - that may wll include ongoing building of back up funds.

. It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

No I disagree. On the contrary, having profit in mind is not a motivation that may compel you to invest with a long term mindset, because you will be tempted to trade your Bitcoin for short term gains, and it's even more irresponsible to be thinking about profit when you are still in your accumulation stage or nowhere near your over accumulation status, so profit should not be your focus, but seeing it as a store of value, and the opportunity to exercise you self custodian right, not profit that will compel you to sell too early.

I doubt you were patient enough to read through his writeup, he was talking about motivation to keep up with the investment long-term and that when you know that you could profit from bitcoin investment, you would want to keep going and I agree with him, different people have different motivating factor that both brings them into bitcoin and sustains their desire to keep accumulating and as long as that factor doesn't lead you into buying high and selling low, over aggressiveness and using the waiting strategy very early in your investment journey e.t.c and it keeps you committed to your consistent buys and long-term holding plan, then such a motivation is worth holding on to.

Yeah, but we are not talking about trading here.. so why should we give too many fucks about buying high and selling low, since there is likely a bit of a presumption that if we invest in bitcoin for a while, our bitcoin will end up largely being in profits by the time any sales decisions are made and/or executed upon.. unless some kind of an emergency situation ends up forcing us into a selling situation that was not within regular expectations about how we were thinking our bitcoin investment would progress.

Otherwise, I don't have any problems with other points that you raised in your post.

It is good to have a profit mindset. Because it keeps a person motivated towards long-term holding and investing.

It is better that an investor, accumulate his bitcoin without having anything in mind, because it might get to a point were the profit you were having in mind is not coming forth, you will be disappointed, disorganized and possibly give up on your accumulation, because investing in bitcoin and holding it for a long time has no guarantee of profit. You can find other reasons to motivate you to accumulate bitcoin more, but you see that profit remove it from your mind, because it’s under probability and not guaranteed.

There should be a balance to everything in life so it's not as if you shouldn't have profit somewhere in your mind as a Bitcoin investor but it shouldn't overshadow your reasoning to understand that Bitcoin is a volatile asset which although has the potentials of being profitable on the long term but there is no guarantee. If you're being factual as an experienced person in the crypto market will know that what determines where Bitcoin is at every point is demand and supply, if for any reasons we have excessive supply price will slump drastically and the market will crash.

If there is no fundamentals to propel demand for price increase we won't see a recovery, maybe another store of value could overtake the demand for Bitcoin, we're not sure but we have to be ready for any possibilities. Despite the risks of investing in Bitcoin for the long term it's potentials as a store of value cannot be overlooked.

Yeah, but we are not talking about crypto here.  Fuck shitcoins.  How does "crypto" have to relate with this topic?  Are you trying to sound smart by referring to "crypto" as if it were relevant to this topic?

Of course, there is a supply and demand element in bitcoin, yet we also have a lot of increases in the various ways that bitcoin has been paperized, and frequently difficulties in knowing the extent to which various paper bitcoin, paper bitcoin derivative products or even various "accepted" tolerances in regards to when some bitcoin might be able to "back up" (or supposedly "have to" back up) the various bitcoin paper products, and I am pretty sure that there are various allowances of BIGGER bitcoin manipulation twats (institutions) to back up their bitcoin with assets that are not bitcoin, so sure they could  still end up getting themselves into trouble by not having close to as many bitcoin as they are claiming to have, and so they likely are able to manipulate the fuck out of bitcoin at various points in time, without getting themselves into trouble since they may well not have some equally big (or bigger?) player on the opposite side of their bet (manipulation)...So be careful if you have too much trust in some of the BIGGER players being restricted by "supply and demand" as they should be. There are certain BIGGER players who have been able to get away with and to cover up their various shenanigans in various markets, and whether they are able to apply their same (or similar) shenanigans in bitcoin is still to be seen, so many times various smaller players (such as guys participating in forums like these - to the extent that they are not plants from some of the BIGGER manipulation twats - have to protect ourselves from their various forms of ongoing manipulation and tools in which they likely do not want individual normies to be able to privately hold and/or transact in bitcoin without being monitored and/or controlled).

You refer to fundamentals of bitcoin propelling demand, yet there are also a lot of ways that fundamentals are not allowed to play themselves out, since there is a lot of attempts to channel bitcoin through acceptable systems rather than direct abilities to hold and/or transact, which gives way more power to normal people.. and sure of course, various status quo rich twats don't mind that there are channels that bitcoin can be held and transacted privately as long as it is them and their crony buddies, yet they are not so excited about those capabilities being within the abilities of normal people, especially poor people (or unconnected people).

Frequently, if the bitcoin price is ongoingly manipulated down, there may well be ONLY so far that such manipulation can go or be tolerated, and surely, manipulation of the bitcoin price down can contribute towards further cascading of the BTC price down, yet it may well can end up being the case that it becomes more and more difficult to scare others into selling and/or continuing to cause cascading of downward bitcoin price movements.. and surely, I am not claiming to have much if any clue in regards to how far the bitcoin price might be able to be pushed down or even how long it can stay down, so frequently the status quo rich may well be motivated to push the bitcoin price down as far as possible and to also keep there as long as they can, yet at some point they end up running out of abilities, even when they are using their paper bitcoin and simultaneously putting out baloney hit pieces or otherwise trying to increase negative bitcoin sentiment.

[Furious 7]

I wouldn't necessarily say that being aggressive is wrong, but if you are going beyond your discretionary income, that is wrong, because aggressive accumulation with the wrong funds or beyond your discretionary income will be problematic to your Bitcoin investment later in the future, but if you are doing it within the confinement of your discretionary income, then their is no problem about that.
As for dip buying, it's also not a problem if you are not waiting for it before buying, because it's unwise pausing your accumulation and hoping to buy at a dip that we are not sure when it may come, so it's an unwise thing to do, which we should not engage ourselves in.

There is no problem with aggressive buying if it is what you want and you have sufficient discretionary funds to fund it but if you don't have sufficient discretionary funds you should suspend it. I think that we should first focus on buying Bitcoin with amount that we can comfortably afford from our discretionary funds, if there is surplus funds at our discretion then we can go for aggressive buying.

I believe that it is due to the zeal of accumulating many Bitcoin so that it will generate enough profit that drives many people to want to buy aggressively. It doesn't matter what you feel about having a large accumulation of Bitcoin if you cannot afford to buy aggressively it is better to avoid it and concentrate on what you can afford. Always priotize your basic expenses before any discretionary expenses.

I don't understand the discussion of “Aggressive” here because if the benchmark is the discretionary fund then when you buy it will definitely adjust to the fund and I think as long as it does not exceed the initial distribution then it will not be considered as aggressive here especially when your discretionary fund has increased then certainly the purchases we make will also increase so it will not be said to be an aggressive action because it is still within the limits of what is reasonable.

Unless we are trying to increase in a direction that we can't bear which will ultimately damage your cash flow plan that is clearly not allowed but as long as the context is still within the limits that we can bear considering the increase in your discretionary funds I don't think it can be said to be an aggressive purchase.
As long as we can balance our discretionary funds then it is not a problem because the purchase already has several considerations including the level that we can tolerate but when it exceeds that where we only focus on the purchasing capacity but do not consider the funds we have it is just a stupid action.

[whiteblue]

Frequently, if the bitcoin price is ongoingly manipulated down, there may well be ONLY so far that such manipulation can go or be tolerated, and surely, manipulation of the bitcoin price down can contribute towards further cascading of the BTC price down, yet it may well can end up being the case that it becomes more and more difficult to scare others into selling and/or continuing to cause cascading of downward bitcoin price movements.. and surely, I am not claiming to have much if any clue in regards to how far the bitcoin price might be able to be pushed down or even how long it can stay down, so frequently the status quo rich may well be motivated to push the bitcoin price down as far as possible and to also keep there as long as they can, yet at some point they end up running out of abilities, even when they are using their paper bitcoin and simultaneously putting out baloney hit pieces or otherwise trying to increase negative bitcoin sentiment.

It's probably true, sir, that the wealthy are always pushing Prices down to disrupt the market, causing small investors to Panic and sell. I suspect that if They run out of abilities, they use their abilities to spread fud on social media.

This means we must be truly wise and not be provoked by this market situation. We must continue our buying routine, Because when they Manipulate the market, we can take advantage of it to keep buying. we need is the mental support to Hold for a long time.

But I wonder how many of their members are actually capable of controlling the market. I wonder what they doing this for? Are their short positions putting further downward pressure on the Market?

[Lembo69]

Frequently, if the bitcoin price is ongoingly manipulated down, there may well be ONLY so far that such manipulation can go or be tolerated, and surely, manipulation of the bitcoin price down can contribute towards further cascading of the BTC price down, yet it may well can end up being the case that it becomes more and more difficult to scare others into selling and/or continuing to cause cascading of downward bitcoin price movements.. and surely, I am not claiming to have much if any clue in regards to how far the bitcoin price might be able to be pushed down or even how long it can stay down, so frequently the status quo rich may well be motivated to push the bitcoin price down as far as possible and to also keep there as long as they can, yet at some point they end up running out of abilities, even when they are using their paper bitcoin and simultaneously putting out baloney hit pieces or otherwise trying to increase negative bitcoin sentiment.

It's probably true, sir, that the wealthy are always pushing Prices down to disrupt the market, causing small investors to Panic and sell. I suspect that if They run out of abilities, they use their abilities to spread fud on social media.

This means we must be truly wise and not be provoked by this market situation. We must continue our buying routine, Because when they Manipulate the market, we can take advantage of it to keep buying. we need is the mental support to Hold for a long time.

But I wonder how many of their members are actually capable of controlling the market. I wonder what they doing this for? Are their short positions putting further downward pressure on the Market?

I agree with your statement, because the downward pressure in the market is caused by big whales. I think the only way to control this is to not panic and sell when the market is in downward pressure. Investment is not only a means of saving people, but also involves people's emotions, let me explain why I said emotions. I am investing myself, if I make some money from investment in the future, I will build a good house with this money, and building a house is my plan, but it is a place of emotions.

In fact, your investment journey will be ruined when you have an excessive buying and selling mentality. Big traders who are buying investments from you by making you believe that the market is going down with short positions, and you are also selling, you are actually falling into their trap and moving away from your plan. I think an investor should at least enter the market with this mentality that he will see a cycle no matter what. If an investor can wait for 1 cycle and invest, even if he does not profit from the investment, he will at least have a complete and honest idea of ​​the market, and he may later be interested in extending the term of his investment.

[Different patterns]

You refer to fundamentals of bitcoin propelling demand, yet there are also a lot of ways that fundamentals are not allowed to play themselves out, since there is a lot of attempts to channel bitcoin through acceptable systems rather than direct abilities to hold and/or transact, which gives way more power to normal people.. and sure of course, various status quo rich twats don't mind that there are channels that bitcoin can be held and transacted privately as long as it is them and their crony buddies, yet they are not so excited about those capabilities being within the abilities of normal people, especially poor people (or unconnected people).

Frequently, if the bitcoin price is ongoingly manipulated down, there may well be ONLY so far that such manipulation can go or be tolerated, and surely, manipulation of the bitcoin price down can contribute towards further cascading of the BTC price down, yet it may well can end up being the case that it becomes more and more difficult to scare others into selling and/or continuing to cause cascading of downward bitcoin price movements.. and surely, I am not claiming to have much if any clue in regards to how far the bitcoin price might be able to be pushed down or even how long it can stay down, so frequently the status quo rich may well be motivated to push the bitcoin price down as far as possible and to also keep there as long as they can, yet at some point they end up running out of abilities, even when they are using their paper bitcoin and simultaneously putting out baloney hit pieces or otherwise trying to increase negative bitcoin sentiment.

I totally understand your point that bitcoin is strong fundamentals are what drive demand in long term. big institutions may be able to influence the market for period of time. But what I believe they can not change the bitcoin scarcity or ability for people to to hold bitcoin themselves, at the same time, not every price drop caused by manipulation, at times some folks sell their bitcoin just because of profit taking, out of fear or because of economy challenges. But in the end what really matter most is whether more people continue to adopt and use bitcoin. but if bitcoin fundamentals remain strong and adoption keeps growing higher, it will become harder for any group to keep the price down for a long time.

[Jody.Drummer]

I wouldn't necessarily say that being aggressive is wrong, but if you are going beyond your discretionary income, that is wrong, because aggressive accumulation with the wrong funds or beyond your discretionary income will be problematic to your Bitcoin investment later in the future, but if you are doing it within the confinement of your discretionary income, then their is no problem about that.
As for dip buying, it's also not a problem if you are not waiting for it before buying, because it's unwise pausing your accumulation and hoping to buy at a dip that we are not sure when it may come, so it's an unwise thing to do, which we should not engage ourselves in.

There is no problem with aggressive buying if it is what you want and you have sufficient discretionary funds to fund it but if you don't have sufficient discretionary funds you should suspend it. I think that we should first focus on buying Bitcoin with amount that we can comfortably afford from our discretionary funds, if there is surplus funds at our discretion then we can go for aggressive buying.

I believe that it is due to the zeal of accumulating many Bitcoin so that it will generate enough profit that drives many people to want to buy aggressively. It doesn't matter what you feel about having a large accumulation of Bitcoin if you cannot afford to buy aggressively it is better to avoid it and concentrate on what you can afford. Always priotize your basic expenses before any discretionary expenses.

I don't understand the discussion of “Aggressive” here because if the benchmark is the discretionary fund then when you buy it will definitely adjust to the fund and I think as long as it does not exceed the initial distribution then it will not be considered as aggressive here especially when your discretionary fund has increased then certainly the purchases we make will also increase so it will not be said to be an aggressive action because it is still within the limits of what is reasonable.

Unless we are trying to increase in a direction that we can't bear which will ultimately damage your cash flow plan that is clearly not allowed but as long as the context is still within the limits that we can bear considering the increase in your discretionary funds I don't think it can be said to be an aggressive purchase.
As long as we can balance our discretionary funds then it is not a problem because the purchase already has several considerations including the level that we can tolerate but when it exceeds that where we only focus on the purchasing capacity but do not consider the funds we have it is just a stupid action.

Aggressive might mean forcing yourself to buy an uncharacteristic amount, so there's a bit of a push to buy a larger amount. But I agree with you that if the benchmark is discretionary funds then that means we buy according to our own ability, and if the situation is that these discretionary funds are increasing then increasing the amount of purchase is the right choice. With your explanation, it is true and I understand it, and maybe what is meant by aggressive here is buying more than we can afford so that it damages the cash flow. In making decisions, it's good that we have to consider it first, not until when we get a moment that is indeed profitable and we make decisions without consideration.