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June 09, 2026, 03:27:14 PM
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Your description seems to be mixing up "aggressive" bitcoin buying with "overaggressive" bitcoin buying @Saltysugar99, since aggressive bitcoin buying is merely prioritizing bitcoin buying, versus overaggressive represents if a guy had gone too far in his bitcoin buying by either spending beyond his discretionary funds or otherwise not sufficiently protecting his finances and/or psychology.
Each word has a different meaning so in my opinion, after understanding what you said earlier your statement is correct. Both words have their own distinct meanings. Don't equate the two meanings with one meaning. This statement of ours can easily confuse many people in understanding the two meanings.

Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?
Accumulating bitcoin aggressively shouldn't be done with all your income and it is wrong for you to think that it is only when someone used all there income for buying bitcoin that is when they are being aggressive. Aggressive buying of bitcoin is determined by the percentage of discretionary income used in accumulating bitcoin. Someone that used %80 of there discretionary income for buying bitcoin is being aggressive. Therefore, it is not necessarily that they must used all there hard earned money for buying bitcoin before they can be seen as being aggressive.


It is very wrong and not advisable to use money outside your discrestionary income to be aggressive in Bitcoin because what the person is doing is trading and not really being aggressive in Bitcoin investment. However, we should only be aggressive with our discretionary income and not with money meant for other expenses or needs. And the mistake some people make is that they don't know that, it is only wise and advisable to be aggressive when you have a huge amount of money in your discretionary.











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June 09, 2026, 03:58:33 PM
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Your description seems to be mixing up "aggressive" bitcoin buying with "overaggressive" bitcoin buying @Saltysugar99, since aggressive bitcoin buying is merely prioritizing bitcoin buying, versus overaggressive represents if a guy had gone too far in his bitcoin buying by either spending beyond his discretionary funds or otherwise not sufficiently protecting his finances and/or psychology.
Each word has a different meaning so in my opinion, after understanding what you said earlier your statement is correct. Both words have their own distinct meanings. Don't equate the two meanings with one meaning. This statement of ours can easily confuse many people in understanding the two meanings.

Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?
Accumulating bitcoin aggressively shouldn't be done with all your income and it is wrong for you to think that it is only when someone used all there income for buying bitcoin that is when they are being aggressive. Aggressive buying of bitcoin is determined by the percentage of discretionary income used in accumulating bitcoin. Someone that used %80 of there discretionary income for buying bitcoin is being aggressive. Therefore, it is not necessarily that they must used all there hard earned money for buying bitcoin before they can be seen as being aggressive.
How much discretionary income you allocate to Bitcoin depends on your financial situation and future plans. If you already have an emergency fund, you can accumulate most of your discretionary income in Bitcoin and if you need to build an emergency fund you should set aside a portion to build that fund. I would say that if you are a small investor and are committed to a long term strategy in Bitcoin accumulation, it would be fair to not do DCA aggressively.

It is better to be regular in DCA than aggressive for Bitcoin holdings. The correct implementation of discretionary income is to first allocate the majority of the amount to Bitcoin, secondly to set aside an amount for an emergency fund and another amount for additional expenses. Most investors will increase or decrease this amount depending on their financial capacity and availability of reserve funds, which is the best strategy for continuing to accumulate Bitcoin for the long term.











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June 09, 2026, 04:13:33 PM
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However as an investor, and you want to increase your discretionary income so you can possibly buy more bitcoin into your portfolio, you have to try and increase your cashflow, if that is possible for you or you can likewise cutdown your unnecessary expenses and try to also adjust your expenses so you can accommodate and have room for more availability of discretionary income.
This means focusing on storing value rather than holding physical cash. That way, when Bitcoin reaches a market price level—such as an all-time high (ATH)—you can also profit from the price appreciation.
The DCA concept I practice is essentially like that. Buy to hold rather than depositing in a fiat bank. When currency experiences inflation, it’s actually not saved. If the deposit is in the form of Bitcoin, it has nothing to do with the inflation experienced by people who save in the form of fiat money. Lately, we’ve felt the impact of the weakness in our fiat currency exchange rate. Everyone is feeling the effects.

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June 09, 2026, 04:30:45 PM
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However as an investor, and you want to increase your discretionary income so you can possibly buy more bitcoin into your portfolio, you have to try and increase your cashflow, if that is possible for you or you can likewise cutdown your unnecessary expenses and try to also adjust your expenses so you can accommodate and have room for more availability of discretionary income.
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This means focusing on storing value rather than holding physical cash. That way, when Bitcoin reaches a market price level—such as an all-time high (ATH)—you can also profit from the price appreciation.
The DCA concept I practice is essentially like that. Buy to hold rather than depositing in a fiat bank. When currency experiences inflation, it’s actually not saved. If the deposit is in the form of Bitcoin, it has nothing to do with the inflation experienced by people who save in the form of fiat money. Lately, we’ve felt the impact of the weakness in our fiat currency exchange rate. Everyone is feeling the effects.
 if we are able to increase our cash flow or reduce unnecessary spending, it gives us more room to invest without touching money meant for important needs. And I think the goal shouldn't just be to buy more Bitcoin at all costs. The goal is to build wealth in a way that is sustainable. And if earning more or spending less allows you to increase your Bitcoin allocation while still covering your bills, emergency fund, and other responsibilities, then that's a good approach.
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June 09, 2026, 04:48:36 PM
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Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?

how did you prioritize buying aggressively? Maybe you're over thinking things, you should know that buying aggressively doesn't mean that you would have to use a very large amount, take for instance you have been investing with $30 maybe you got promoted in your work place or you just figure out a different source of income, at this point you're sure of increasing your discretionary funds to enable you increase the amount you have been investing with by so doing you're showing some level of aggressiveness in your Bitcoin investment.

However, on this aspect of investing with the whole of Thier capital (discretionary funds) you should know that some guys are not used to buying little by little especially those monthly earners, they prefer going all-in and then relax themselves against next month, I personally think that it's more preferable than buying little by little because some investors might be Left with some discretionary after they must have invested for the month, there are some target that requires buying aggressively to enable you meet up on time. Those investors who set this kind of target like going all -in and then look for a way to replenish it.
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June 09, 2026, 05:08:17 PM
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It is left for individual to decide how much knowledge they will want to have trying to learn about bitcoin before they can start investing, but for an individual who already have a discretionary income available and wants to invest with the DCA method he doesn’t need to waste much time trying to learn bitcoin thoroughly before he can start buying with the DCA. He can start buying bitcoin and invest with the DCA and hold if his discretionary income is available and as time goes on while he’s ongoing DCAing he will be able to understand more and gain further knowledge. Market price fluctuations is inevitable In bitcoin so for a long term investor it’s always best to approach the market with a discretionary income when our basic needs are being met then using the cash we won’t be needing anytime soon.

Discretionary funds are the most important aspect of starting a Bitcoin investment. As long as someone has discretionary funds, it is easy to start investing in Bitcoin, and other things, including further learning about Bitcoin, can follow.Through the process of accumulating Bitcoin, it becomes easier to learn. In fact, it is not always necessary to encourage someone to seek extensive Bitcoin knowledge before they begin investing. Therefore, nobody should wait until they have learned everything before starting their Bitcoin investment, because doing so may result in lost time and missed opportunities.As you said, it is always good for newbies to start their Bitcoin accumulation through the DCA strategy because it makes accumulation easier and reduces fear in the investor's mind. This is because they are approaching Bitcoin gradually by investing small amounts over time. It also allows them to buy Bitcoin at different price levels.
Waiting to learn about Bitcoin and gaining extensive knowledge before starting can take a very long time especially for slow learners so if you understand the basics there is no need to know about the technicalities that happens before, during and after a transaction is received. I think that some people are taking Bitcoin knowledge before starting it's investment too far probably because it is a decentralized asset but as you don't have to understand how your fiat transfers goes through the banks systems and network, what you concern yourself about is for the transactions to be successful that is same with Bitcoin transactions.

Concentrate yourself with keeping your wallet safe and having discretionary funds to buy, further knowledge are plus but they shouldn't be restrictions to start accumulating Bitcoin as soon as you have ready funds for it.
You don't need to have a lot of knowledge to start with Bitcoin. Rather, you need discretionary income to start. If someone has discretionary income, then they can start without hesitation. They just need to set aside discretionary income. And after starting, they will have enough time to learn all the other unknowns.

My opinion about what you said about wallet security is that if a new investor wants to start and is not yet ready about the security of the wallet, then that new investor can start with a small amount from the exchange. At some point, when he is ready about his own security, wallet, and custody, then he can take all his investments into his own wallet. In this way, even if he does not know much, he can start from the exchange and also bring it into his own wallet when he is ready.

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June 09, 2026, 05:13:15 PM
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Your description seems to be mixing up "aggressive" bitcoin buying with "overaggressive" bitcoin buying @Saltysugar99, since aggressive bitcoin buying is merely prioritizing bitcoin buying, versus overaggressive represents if a guy had gone too far in his bitcoin buying by either spending beyond his discretionary funds or otherwise not sufficiently protecting his finances and/or psychology.
Each word has a different meaning so in my opinion, after understanding what you said earlier your statement is correct. Both words have their own distinct meanings. Don't equate the two meanings with one meaning. This statement of ours can easily confuse many people in understanding the two meanings.

Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?
Accumulating bitcoin aggressively shouldn't be done with all your income and it is wrong for you to think that it is only when someone used all there income for buying bitcoin that is when they are being aggressive. Aggressive buying of bitcoin is determined by the percentage of discretionary income used in accumulating bitcoin. Someone that used %80 of there discretionary income for buying bitcoin is being aggressive. Therefore, it is not necessarily that they must used all there hard earned money for buying bitcoin before they can be seen as being aggressive.


It is very wrong and not advisable to use money outside your discrestionary income to be aggressive in Bitcoin because what the person is doing is trading and not really being aggressive in Bitcoin investment. However, we should only be aggressive with our discretionary income and not with money meant for other expenses or needs. And the mistake some people make is that they don't know that, it is only wise and advisable to be aggressive when you have a huge amount of money in your discretionary.

Using the money outside your discrestionary income in either bitcoin or any other investment can cause a significant increase in financial problems, and it may possibly have negative effect on the life of a person. Investment can be possible and less risky if you are financially stable and have discretionary income after all your expenses. Buying bitcoin requires a lot of things than just money, it requires maturity, sensitivity and more. And maturity is when an individual have the ability to do what is best for him without being carried away by the intervention of greed, and other immoral activities.

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Your description seems to be mixing up "aggressive" bitcoin buying with "overaggressive" bitcoin buying @Saltysugar99, since aggressive bitcoin buying is merely prioritizing bitcoin buying, versus overaggressive represents if a guy had gone too far in his bitcoin buying by either spending beyond his discretionary funds or otherwise not sufficiently protecting his finances and/or psychology.
Each word has a different meaning so in my opinion, after understanding what you said earlier your statement is correct. Both words have their own distinct meanings. Don't equate the two meanings with one meaning. This statement of ours can easily confuse many people in understanding the two meanings.

Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?
Prioritizing Bitcoin means giving importance to Bitcoin accumulation in your budget after income comes. That is, giving priority to buying Bitcoin from discretionary income, keeping in mind the issues of basic expenses, family responsibility, bills, emergency fund and backup fund. This is a healthy approach, because it allows the investor to continue his long-term plan and does not have to be forced to sell Bitcoin easily even if a real-life emergency occurs. But the aggressive buying you are talking about is if someone poured all his capital into Bitcoin. He did not keep anything for his food, rent, bills, emergency fund or survival needs. Then in my opinion, that is not aggressive investment, but bad financial management. Even though such a person seems to be investing in Bitcoin, in reality he is weakening his cashflow system. Later, when a small emergency occurs, he will either have to take a loan. Or sell Bitcoin. Then he will not be a long-term investor, but rather he will become a forced seller due to his wrong planning.

Investing aggressively in Bitcoin basically means how much of one's discretionary income is being used for DCA. The more discretionary income a person uses for DCA, the more aggressively one is investing. But if one invests with money outside of discretionary income, then it cannot be called an investment in real terms. Rather, it becomes a kind of gambling. Because then one is putting money at risk that one may need for necessary expenses, responsibilities, or financial security.
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June 09, 2026, 05:21:02 PM
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However as an investor, and you want to increase your discretionary income so you can possibly buy more bitcoin into your portfolio, you have to try and increase your cashflow, if that is possible for you or you can likewise cutdown your unnecessary expenses and try to also adjust your expenses so you can accommodate and have room for more availability of discretionary income.

Also, keeping money to buy a dip is something I assume as a very lackluster decision, especially when you don’t know when a dip is going to come, everyday is an opportunity to buy bitcoin, so I don’t see anything special with waiting for a dip or keeping money aside to buy an unpredictable dip is very awful.


Investing should be clearly long-term and focused on strengthening your income base, which sets you apart from those investors who sell their holdings when they face losses. Waiting for the right time to invest will make you miss out on opportunities that are right at your fingertips and you may regret it, because you will lose exactly what the market would have given you for waiting and may have to buy at a higher price later. So, it is not the right time to invest, but the beginning that matters.
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June 09, 2026, 05:59:32 PM
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Aggressive buying of BTC isn't bad as long as it's not been over do the problem comes when an investor over do it by buying beyond his limit or buying outside his discretionary income, people who over buy aggressively without been control and also forgotten they also need to set up some emergency funds has already started gambling with his bitcoin investment and may not stay long in the market without selling off most of this bitcoin holding.
To me what i understand about aggressive buy or aggressive invest in Bitcoin is buying Bitcoin consistently whenever someone have discretionary income. It is not bad for investors to make use of aggressive buy if they are not doing it beyond their discretionary income so that they will build up their various back up funds that will allow them to always sustain their Bitcoin investment, so investors that are going to buy Bitcoin consistently or aggressively should always buy within their discretionary income so that they will not start gambling with their Bitcoin investment and in the end they sell their Bitcoin investment to take care of their living expenses.
Are you kidding? I think your understanding is incorrect and needs to be corrected.
Consistently buying Bitcoin whenever there is disposable income is the definition of a DCA strategy, not aggressive investing. Aggressive buying is more precisely allocating a large portion of capital or taking a very large portion of risk, this strategy makes purchases in large amounts at once. The goal is of course to maximize profits in a short time, but it carries a much greater risk of loss.

Consistent buying focuses on discipline and risk management, while aggressive buying pursues maximum returns or a dominant position with significant capital. The two have very different objectives, risk profiles, and execution methods.

An investor who is accumulating Bitcoin with $5 consistently will never use $5 to accumulate Bitcoin if he/she had good discretionary income, so you see aggressive accumulation of Bitcoin and consistent accumulating of Bitcoin is the same thing, but how much discretionary income an investor have determines how aggressive or consistent an investor will be in accumulating Bitcoin. The goal of aggressive accumulation is not to maximum profit, the goal of aggressive accumulation is to frontloan your Bitcoin investment so that you will have reasonable amount of Bitcoin in your disposal.











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June 09, 2026, 06:20:11 PM
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But the important thing is that by investing in Bitcoin and gradually moving forward with consistency and increasing the amount at the same time, you will gain experience on the one hand and learn from mistakes on the other. And through this, you will move forward with experience, experience will keep you stress-free when the price of Bitcoin falls.
If you start investing in bitcoin the way you have explained, you would have eliminated a lot of the things that make people make mistake in bitcoin so your chances of making mistakes will be greatly reduce. In that case, you will mostly learn how to consolidate on your bitcoin holding since you are starting small and making upward projection, tailored to suit your cashflow. It is absolutely wrong to always attach some form of fear to bitcoin investment so much that even though who are doing the right thing will be filled with fear. Fear itself leads to mistakes so there should be some level of confidence in the heart if any bitcoin investor, especially those using the DCA method and strictly with discretionary income and who have also made effort to set up some protective funds for cases of emergency or unplanned events.

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This means focusing on storing value rather than holding physical cash. That way, when Bitcoin reaches a market price level—such as an all-time high (ATH)—you can also profit from the price appreciation.
The DCA concept I practice is essentially like that. Buy to hold rather than depositing in a fiat bank. When currency experiences inflation, it’s actually not saved. If the deposit is in the form of Bitcoin, it has nothing to do with the inflation experienced by people who save in the form of fiat money. Lately, we’ve felt the impact of the weakness in our fiat currency exchange rate. Everyone is feeling the effects.
We are not investing in Bitcoin to seek quick profits like selling when Bitcoin reaches all-time-high, people that do are traders and short-term investor which is not a perfect way to Build a Bitcoin portfolio. If you want to do well as a Bitcoin investor, you must move away from looking at selling at ATH because that will lead you to zero Bitcoin in the shortest possible time. You may claim that you will be able to replenish the Bitcoin during the following bear season but there is no guarantee that you will be able to save the money in stable coins and not use it for something else that is no longer Bitcoin. Many people who started Bitcoin very early are today without Bitcoin, not because they are now rich, they sold during those early ATH and only live to regret selling their Bitcoin then when they look at how big Bitcoin have now become.

Always HODL your precious coins, don't throw them away for quick profits, such action will lead to future regrets.

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June 09, 2026, 09:24:14 PM
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Reasons why most of the investors didn’t get good results in their investment is because they refused to use their discretionary income to invest, and without the discretionary income I don’t think the investments will go well as they plan. So in this case using our discretionary income will be the best option for every investments, and since the DCA as also be introduced it has make the investments to become easier.

Discretionary income does not guarantee success in your investment, it can only determine how long you can keep investing. If you are not investing with your discretionary income, then you will find it difficult to continue buying. Investing with discretionary income assures you that you are investing with money left after taking care of other expenses, and even when unexpected problems happen, you will not be forced to touch your investment.

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Yeah, that’s why they said that when it come to investments we should invest the amounts of money that that we can afford to lose, because if we use all our money without having some money on grand if an emergency comes up it will be a big problems.

Bitcoin isn’t something we can go all in on without having backup funds. When they say we should invest with the money we can afford to lose, it is because people don’t know what will happen tomorrow. Although we believe in the future of Bitcoin and that it will be greater than where it is now, but we should also remember that it involves risk, there is also a chance of losing money, so we need to invest wisely.

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June 09, 2026, 10:16:16 PM
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Reasons why most of the investors didn’t get good results in their investment is because they refused to use their discretionary income to invest, and without the discretionary income I don’t think the investments will go well as they plan. So in this case using our discretionary income will be the best option for every investments, and since the DCA as also be introduced it has make the investments to become easier..

I agree with you on the discretionary funds part. It's like a number one rule every investor must obey. If you break that rule and invest money meant for your school fees or rent, you'll definitely panic to sell even at loss if you have no other option. Investing with discretionary funds allow you to hold through volatility.

On other parts, I disagree with you. Investing with discretionary funds does not guarantee you good results. DCA make investment easier psychologically because it keeps you investing without waiting for the perfect time that might never come but mathematically, lump sum beats DCA because if we traced bitcoin price historically, it goes up more often than it comes down but the problem is timing.
I don’t agree with your last statement, lump sum doesn’t beat the DCA. The Dollar cost averaging is the best method or strategy to accumulating Bitcoin in almost every circumstance though I might accept that there are some situations where lump sum might be a better option.

DCA gets you cheaper price and better accumulation with ease and less thinking and stress. With Lump sum you might want to time the market to buy at an appropriate time just like buying the dip. Though some people still lump sum without looking at the price but if compared to someone who DCAed with same amount, you find out the DCA accumulated better.

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June 09, 2026, 11:08:34 PM
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This means focusing on storing value rather than holding physical cash. That way, when Bitcoin reaches a market price level—such as an all-time high (ATH)—you can also profit from the price appreciation.
The DCA concept I practice is essentially like that. Buy to hold rather than depositing in a fiat bank. When currency experiences inflation, it’s actually not saved. If the deposit is in the form of Bitcoin, it has nothing to do with the inflation experienced by people who save in the form of fiat money. Lately, we’ve felt the impact of the weakness in our fiat currency exchange rate. Everyone is feeling the effects.
We are not investing in Bitcoin to seek quick profits like selling when Bitcoin reaches all-time-high, people that do are traders and short-term investor which is not a perfect way to Build a Bitcoin portfolio. If you want to do well as a Bitcoin investor, you must move away from looking at selling at ATH because that will lead you to zero Bitcoin in the shortest possible time. You may claim that you will be able to replenish the Bitcoin during the following bear season but there is no guarantee that you will be able to save the money in stable coins and not use it for something else that is no longer Bitcoin. Many people who started Bitcoin very early are today without Bitcoin, not because they are now rich, they sold during those early ATH and only live to regret selling their Bitcoin then when they look at how big Bitcoin have now become.

Always HODL your precious coins, don't throw them away for quick profits, such action will lead to future regrets.
Yes, I agree with you. To invest long term, We simply need to hold on and avoid being overly greedy for quick Profits, as that's a trap that can ruin our investment journey.

Especially in Bitcoin Investing, sometimes the price rises rapidly after we buy. Don't be fooled, As our target is in the Accumulation phase. Therefore, We must restrain ourselves and continue to hold and continue buying using DCA.

This is when our holding Mentality is tested. If we can survive both rising and falling prices, we will achieve our long term Holding target. If we Fail, our investment plan will be ruined due to inappropriate actions.


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Today at 02:47:34 AM
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Yes, I agree with you. To invest long term, We simply need to hold on and avoid being overly greedy for quick Profits, as that's a trap that can ruin our investment journey.

Especially in Bitcoin Investing, sometimes the price rises rapidly after we buy. Don't be fooled, As our target is in the Accumulation phase. Therefore, We must restrain ourselves and continue to hold and continue buying using DCA.

This is when our holding Mentality is tested. If we can survive both rising and falling prices, we will achieve our long term Holding target. If we Fail, our investment plan will be ruined due to inappropriate actions.
It is clear that long-term investors must possess the resilience to avoid succumbing to greed for quick profits since everyone has a specific goal in mind patience and the ability to curb the desire for immediate gains are essential traits for those engaged in long-term investing.

Price increases occurring after a purchase are a common phenomenon—something experienced by everyone who buys—so the best approach is to stop dwelling on the transaction or obsessing over subsequent price movements. Dwelling on what happens after the fact often leads to regret instead it is better to shift one's focus elsewhere to avoid second-guessing the decision. Moving forward employing Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA) for Bitcoin accumulation is a sound strategy especially when aligning the process with specific investment targets.

A person's mental fortitude is tested during periods of significant price volatility—whether rising or falling—and many struggle to hold their ground during these times. As you rightly noted those who can maintain their composure and stay the course during such situations will successfully navigate the volatility ultimately achieving the long-term holding goals they set out to reach.
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Today at 03:00:23 AM
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Your description seems to be mixing up "aggressive" bitcoin buying with "overaggressive" bitcoin buying @Saltysugar99, since aggressive bitcoin buying is merely prioritizing bitcoin buying, versus overaggressive represents if a guy had gone too far in his bitcoin buying by either spending beyond his discretionary funds or otherwise not sufficiently protecting his finances and/or psychology.
Each word has a different meaning so in my opinion, after understanding what you said earlier your statement is correct. Both words have their own distinct meanings. Don't equate the two meanings with one meaning. This statement of ours can easily confuse many people in understanding the two meanings.

Doing it with prioritization has a different meaning because if someone prioritizes it of course every time they have income they already think about the income they have received which they will use to accumulate Bitcoin while those who do it in an aggressive way of course they do it with whatever amount of capital they have they all use it to accumulate Bitcoin without leaving anything for their survival needs so what I need to ask is how will someone who does it in an aggressive way experience losses that make them lose a lot of money because they are too aggressive in doing it is this someone who is right in investing in Bitcoin?

When a person assesses how whimpy or how aggressive he wants to be, these are relative assessments, so he could determine in degrees.. .

So a person who is investing whimpily might ONLY be investing 10% of his discretionary funds into bitcoin, and a person who is investing more than 10% is investing more aggressive than the one who is investing whimpily.

At some point, the person could overdo his level of aggressiveness, so surely we might consider 100% of the discretionary funds to be the maximum that he could be aggressive, yet even anywhere between 80% or higher could be over aggressive if he is not sufficiently building up his back up funds, so if he does not have much if any back up funds, then if he makes a mistake and invests too aggressively into bitcoin, then he might not have a sufficient amount of funds to take care of some extra expenses that might arise prior to his next paycheck.

Assessments of what is aggressive or not are up to the discretion of each of us to make in terms of our balancing, and yeah, we might not realize that we were being too aggressive until some kind of a situation were to happen in which we lost income and/or had increases in our expenses... so sometimes guys might be investing in an overly aggressive way without realizing it until some event of loss of income and/or increase in expenses were to take place.

Guys can do whatever they like, and if they make mistakes those mistakes are on them.  Frequently guys in this thread, including myself, will attempt to provide some guidance, and frequently I will suggest that guys try to invest as aggressively as they can without over doing it, yet there is no objective ability to proclaim what is too much and what is not, so guys have to figure out those balances, and if guys are investing in bitcoin and they are not leaving enough for their back up funds and/or their discretionary consumption, then they could suffer from financial and/or psychological problems related to their not practicing a sufficiently balanced cash flow management system.

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how did you prioritize buying aggressively? Maybe you're over thinking things, you should know that buying aggressively doesn't mean that you would have to use a very large amount, take for instance you have been investing with $30 maybe you got promoted in your work place or you just figure out a different source of income, at this point you're sure of increasing your discretionary funds to enable you increase the amount you have been investing with by so doing you're showing some level of aggressiveness in your Bitcoin investment.

However, on this aspect of investing with the whole of Thier capital (discretionary funds) you should know that some guys are not used to buying little by little especially those monthly earners, they prefer going all-in and then relax themselves against next month, I personally think that it's more preferable than buying little by little because some investors might be Left with some discretionary after they must have invested for the month, there are some target that requires buying aggressively to enable you meet up on time. Those investors who set this kind of target like going all -in and then look for a way to replenish it.

Personally, I like the idea of trying to figure out ways to buy bitcoin every week, especially for guys who consider themselves to be relatively early in their bitcoin accumulation process, maybe even for guys in their first 4-6 years of accumulating bitcoin, and sure from time to time, guys might receive extra funds in which they want to lump sum invest with those funds, and so if guys have systems set up in which they are regularly buying bitcoin they can assess their bitcoin accumulation progress, and surely there can be trade-offs in any of the three bitcoin buying approaches of DCA, lump sum and/or buying on dips...and guys can figure out if they have situations in which they prefer to emphasize one of the bitcoin buying approaches over another, and of course, there may be guys who sometimes will receive extra money - maybe 2 or 3 times a year they get bonuses or maybe they receive some kind of an inheritance or they get lucky in some business deal that gives them a lot of money to be available at once, and in those situations, it truly would be good to explore the trade offs in buying right away, DCAing and/or buying on dips.

Many guys also likely have heard me previously assert that I don't like the idea of changing levels of aggressiveness based on perceptions of price dips, yet surely guys do have inclinations to want to buy on dips and to buy more aggressively during dips.  It can be dangerous to over do such changes, yet guys are surely free to make their own determinations to the extent that they believe changing their level of aggressiveness might be preferable under certain market conditions.

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Today at 04:48:56 AM
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However as an investor, and you want to increase your discretionary income so you can possibly buy more bitcoin into your portfolio, you have to try and increase your cashflow, if that is possible for you or you can likewise cutdown your unnecessary expenses and try to also adjust your expenses so you can accommodate and have room for more availability of discretionary income.

Also, keeping money to buy a dip is something I assume as a very lackluster decision, especially when you don’t know when a dip is going to come, everyday is an opportunity to buy bitcoin, so I don’t see anything special with waiting for a dip or keeping money aside to buy an unpredictable dip is very awful.


Investing should be clearly long-term and focused on strengthening your income base, which sets you apart from those investors who sell their holdings when they face losses. Waiting for the right time to invest will make you miss out on opportunities that are right at your fingertips and you may regret it, because you will lose exactly what the market would have given you for waiting and may have to buy at a higher price later. So, it is not the right time to invest, but the beginning that matters.

Waiting before accumulating when you have everything that is needed has always been a no! Because a lot of big opportunities someone would have used to increase or grow their portfolio will be missed out, that is why it is not advisable to wait and sometimes people that wait may not be really interested in Bitcoin investment because if you are serious and interested in something you would definitely start since everything is already in place. However, Bitcoin can be accumulated at any time but starting early gives more advantage.
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Many guys also likely have heard me previously assert that I don't like the idea of changing levels of aggressiveness based on perceptions of price dips, yet surely guys do have inclinations to want to buy on dips and to buy more aggressively during dips.  It can be dangerous to over do such changes, yet guys are surely free to make their own determinations to the extent that they believe changing their level of aggressiveness might be preferable under certain market conditions.
Yes sir, the habit of changing the level of aggressiveness due to the presence of dips, mostly encourages timing the market and that is very dangerous and can even slow down the pace of one investment journey... The truth about dios is that no one knows the exact minute or seconds that it will come, and this uncertainty that comes with dips, make it very risky for folks to be asking their buys in it... The best is for folks to base their level of aggressiveness on the availability of their discretionary income...











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Today at 06:00:02 AM
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It is very wrong and not advisable to use money outside your discrestionary income to be aggressive in Bitcoin because what the person is doing is trading and not really being aggressive in Bitcoin investment. However, we should only be aggressive with our discretionary income and not with money meant for other expenses or needs. And the mistake some people make is that they don't know that, it is only wise and advisable to be aggressive when you have a huge amount of money in your discretionary.
Bitcoin is a long-term asset, you don't need to own a lot of wealth to invest in it to survive, you can start small according to your ability and build your income base through hard work. This will set you apart from those investors who jump into it without being fully prepared to invest.
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