[HELP ON REFUND] WRONGLY SENT $1000 worth of BTC to copper member payment addres

[owlgames]

hey, today i paid for a copper member for my account, the payment address is

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35ZsijNuhmrAGZ6pPpQ5KNGqTPccBQBJqf

Then one hour ago when i was trying to sent $1000 worth of btc to my friend, i wrongly sent it to the copper member payment address.

first tx: 0.00053225 btc ($25)

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/69cdb56d1021108515c793ccf4da1af0ec75eae8b1d869f135c4dfb5b5dad0ba



second tx: 0.02059863 ($1000)

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/786983a49d4b6e7ae9c55ea7179fd2fd092e2c100a690a611b484967a2bcaf66

Please advise on how can i get a refund of the 2nd tx .. Can you help just send it back?

Thanks a lot!

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[Lafu]

I guess you should be good with that post here !
You can also write a pm to theymos or Cyrus and explain that all to them .
But yeah as i am said and have written you should be good with that thread and post here .
Just wait for a reply from the Admins and they will manage this case .

[ShowOff]

You are still lucky if the btc you sent falls into the right hands because you can still get it back just by asking for support. I don't know who owns the private key of that address, if it belongs to the forum then the admin is the most likely person to have it.

So I think you're in the right place, so be patient or you can also send a PM to one of the admin of this forum who has been mentioned by Lafu. So be patient and wait for their response.

[dkbit98]

Then one hour ago when i was trying to sent $1000 worth of btc to my friend, i wrongly sent it to the copper member payment address.

One more generous ''donation'' made by mistake, but I see that your coins are still seating in the same address, so I wouldn't worry to much if you already contacted moderators or theymos with private message.

PS
It's always a good thing to label your transactions/addresses and double check before clicking send to avoid errors like this happening in future

[RickDeckard]

Since I always prefer to see any kind of transaction on the Blockchair[1] website, I went ahead and used your transaction hash (txid) on the website:

• TXID from the cooper membership payment - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/69cdb56d1021108515c793ccf4da1af0ec75eae8b1d869f135c4dfb5b5dad0ba
• TXID from the mistaken payment - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/786983a49d4b6e7ae9c55ea7179fd2fd092e2c100a690a611b484967a2bcaf66
• Cooper membership address - https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/35ZsijNuhmrAGZ6pPpQ5KNGqTPccBQBJqf

On your next payment you may not be so lucky as you were in this situation - as in sending the payment to an address that probably is controlled by the admins - so I advice you to follow simple rules to ensure that your payment won't end up in another person address in the future:

• A first rule of thumb is to always make sure you're using official software and not some modified client that you got in a "lookalike" website of the official software. Since you've already made the transaction and nothing bad happened then probably you're using an official version but, assuming you've used Electrum, you can always verify it[1].
• Always quadruple check the receiving address. In this case if you just saw the first and last 5 letters (for example) and compared them with your friends address, you'll probably notice your mistake. For big amounts of money then I highly advice you to check the whole address.
• Be aware that copy and pasting the address doesn't ensure that you're pasting the same address that you copied before (assuming your PC is infected and you are unaware of it). This is known as a clipboard hijack attack[2] where the content of your clipboard is changed whenever is pasted somewhere. You can read more about how it works here[3], but the concept is simple:
  

  How does it work?
  
  The Trojan horse is triggered when certain digits similar to the Bitcoin address are copied. The virus uses a custom database of numerous third-party Bitcoin addresses to replace them with the recently copied address immediately after detection. If you are not sure this is a virus, you can check yourself by copying and pasting some text or a number not similar to BTC address. If, in this case, the copy/paste goes correctly, but the pasted BTC address is different from the copied one, then your device is affected by the Trojan.

• Be sure to check if you're sending the right amount of BTC and the right unit. 0.1 millibit (mBTC - +- $4.89) is not the same as 0.1 BTC (+-$4885). I always recommend this neat tool[4] made by bitmover to help people out in this field.

Albeit few, these tips would be a good start to avoid future mistakes similar to the one you've just did. I'm sure more tips will be given by more experienced users, but the core message will always point to triple/quadruple check the receiving address.

As for your query, you're in the right place to have it answered. I would say that if you don't have an answer/feedback in a few days - since it's Christmas time and either theymos/Cyrus could be traveling - I would send them a message perhaps next week to bring the issue to their attention.
[1]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240594.0
[2]https://www.techopedia.com/definition/26419/clipboard-hijacking-attack
[3]https://help.cryptopay.me/en/articles/3415089-virus-threat-bitcoin-address-switcher
[4]https://bitcoindata.science/bitcoin-units-converter.html

[BitMaxz]

Next time check carefully if what address you pasted before you send a BTC it sometimes happens to me before that I sent BTC to someone here because I copy-pasted someone's address from the signature campaign and then sent a BTC. I'm lucky that he sent my BTC back.
And I believe it's always happened it won't be a trojan horse just like the above said.

So since you sent it to the forums address accidentally I think you have a chance to get it back minus the transaction fee. Just wait a bit until Cyrus or theymos become online.

[Quickseller]

second tx: 0.02059863 ($1000)

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/786983a49d4b6e7ae9c55ea7179fd2fd092e2c100a690a611b484967a2bcaf66

As others have said, you will need to PM theymos.

I would also suggest that you sign a message from bc1qxqlelgec66g5sp9qleqrfkqp3gmumyu7rw92cu with today's date to confirm you are actually the person who sent the above transaction.

I don't think this is a case of someone using faulty software, or being infected with malware. This is likely a case of someone intentionally having an address in their clipboard, then falsely thinking they copied another address into their clipboard.

[Findingnemo]

That's really unfortunate and reminding me of How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V, never forget to double check your address before broadcasting your crypto transactions.


When I look at the instructions on the page where we can buy copper membership, there is a warning

You can pay a one-time fee in order to increase the capabilities of your account. Be warned that:

You can still be banned if you break the rules. You will not get any special treatment.
These memberships are not guaranteed to last forever, or to offer the same benefits forever.
No refunds will be given.
.
.
.

Take a look at the bolded words so you only can request the admins and I hope theymos will help you in this.

[xhomerx10]

That's really unfortunate and reminding me of How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V, never forget to double check your address before broadcasting your crypto transactions.


When I look at the instructions on the page where we can buy copper membership, there is a warning

You can pay a one-time fee in order to increase the capabilities of your account. Be warned that:

You can still be banned if you break the rules. You will not get any special treatment.
These memberships are not guaranteed to last forever, or to offer the same benefits forever.
No refunds will be given.
.
.
.

Take a look at the bolded words so you only can request the admins and I hope theymos will help you in this.

 I would hope "No refunds will be given" pertains to the account itself and not some accidental over-payment. 

[naim027]

Well, As everyone already said. I guess you are in the right place.
I guess you have to wait for theymos. It's better if you send a PM to him.
Because it's possible for him to not check the meta board and if he checks, it's possible to miss your thread.
You should thanks to your luck that you sent BTC by mistake to Bitcointalk address and not others. There is a 0.001% chance to get it back if you send that amount to others. I guess theymos will return you that amount since you already bought Copper membership and that $1000 was another transaction by mistake. Anyways, Wait for theymos. And don't forget to let the community know when you get back your BTC.

That's really unfortunate and reminding me of How to lose your Bitcoins with CTRL-C CTRL-V, never forget to double check your address before broadcasting your crypto transactions.


When I look at the instructions on the page where we can buy copper membership, there is a warning

You can pay a one-time fee in order to increase the capabilities of your account. Be warned that:

You can still be banned if you break the rules. You will not get any special treatment.
These memberships are not guaranteed to last forever, or to offer the same benefits forever.
No refunds will be given.
.

Take a look at the bolded words so you only can request the admins and I hope theymos will help you in this.

 I would hope "No refunds will be given" pertains to the account itself and not some accidental over-payment. 

Right. Since he already bought the Copper Membership. It was possible to return him $975 In BTC ($25 For Copper Member) If he didn't buy the Copper Membership. But this was another transaction after buying The Copper membership. So, I guess he will get the full refund.
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[The Cryptovator]

Sorry to hear you made miss transaction. When you registered your account and saw the evil ban message, there was a note that any larger amount sent to the address will not be refunded. I think that's the forum refund policy, a larger amount than the required amount will not return in scop of buy copper membership as well. But once again, the admin has the right to refund if he thinks it should refund. Only the admin could comment on that. That's the reason why we need to double-check the address during sending cryptocurrency.

[UmerIdrees]

Sorry to hear you made miss transaction. When you registered your account and saw the evil ban message, there was a note that any larger amount sent to the address will not be refunded. I think that's the forum refund policy, a larger amount than the required amount will not return in scop of buy copper membership as well. But once again, the admin has the right to refund if he thinks it should refund. Only the admin could comment on that. That's the reason why we need to double-check the address during sending cryptocurrency.

Yes, that's a catch here as it is clearly written that you can pay more to cover the fee or the amount can be greater than the minimum required and the excess amount will not be returned.
Let's see how the admins respond to this but keep in mind, even if they want to refund you, it may take a few days as admins are usually busy and may not respond instantly.

[theymos]

In this situation it turned out we had two dummies: owlgames sent the BTC incorrectly to the forum, and then yesterday I sent his refund to the wrong address. I'd been referring to my previous notes on how to do the refund correctly, and I sent the BTC to the last person who overpaid, since their address was still in my notes and I forgot to change it this time. (Now I've rewritten these notes to remove addresses...)

I thought there was little chance of getting the BTC back, since the last person who overpaid looked fairly anonymous, and in any case they were probably using an exchange address or something. So this morning I refunded owlgames properly in a second transaction, and I expected to just eat the cost. But surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010, returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

The lessons:
 - There are good, honest people in the world.
 - Always double-check your addresses before sending, even when you've done the exact same type of transaction a million times before.

there was a note that any larger amount sent to the address will not be refunded.

Some wallets/exchanges don't let you send below a certain amount. If you overpay due to that, then your payment will be accepted, but that small amount will not be refunded. You also won't be refunded if you're banned or change your mind about paying. But accidental overpayments are refunded.

[owlgames]

In this situation it turned out we had two dummies: owlgames sent the BTC incorrectly to the forum, and then yesterday I sent his refund to the wrong address. I'd been referring to my previous notes on how to do the refund correctly, and I sent the BTC to the last person who overpaid, since their address was still in my notes and I forgot to change it this time. (Now I've rewritten these notes to remove addresses...)

I thought there was little chance of getting the BTC back, since the last person who overpaid looked fairly anonymous, and in any case they were probably using an exchange address or something. So this morning I refunded owlgames properly in a second transaction, and I expected to just eat the cost. But surprisingly, the person who got the random $1000 I accidentally sent, EZ0010, returned the BTC ~immediately. Thanks to him!

The lessons:
 - There are good, honest people in the world.
 - Always double-check your addresses before sending, even when you've done the exact same type of transaction a million times before.

there was a note that any larger amount sent to the address will not be refunded.

Some wallets/exchanges don't let you send below a certain amount. If you overpay due to that, then your payment will be accepted, but that small amount will not be refunded. You also won't be refunded if you're banned or change your mind about paying. But accidental overpayments are refunded.

Got my refund just now! Thanks so much and happy holidays to the good guys here on the forum!

Cheers!

(Feeling sorry for your wrong refund payment as well and wow thanks to EZ0010!

[EZ0010]

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

[Lucius]

@owlgames&@EZ0010, it seems that you have both already started celebrating the Christmas and New Year holidays, so your addresses have been mixed up a bit, and the admin was no luckier either. As others have said, before you click the send button check everything a few times, because not everyone will be honest as an admin and return what was sent wrong.

[UmerIdrees]

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

Wow, You are the most honest Newbie I have seen here. 

If everyone would be so honest, how easy and stress free the world would be. Sending bitcoin to wrong address means lost of the money but not in case when we have honest people around. 

 

[m2017]

This story gave me some thoughts.

How all the same falsely demonize BTC users by the media. As if bitcoin is used only by criminals, crooks and just villains. This topic is an example that things are completely different. Btc users are mostly honest and decent people, deserving respect. It is a pity that such cases, which prove the opposite of what the media say, for the most part remain here, within the community, and people simply don't know about such happy endings.

Also, it seems to me that this is one of the indicators of the convenience of bitcoin system for people. All participants in this incident themselves solved the problem between themselves, and, moreover, rather quickly.

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Gold words.

[RickDeckard]

How all the same falsely demonize BTC users by the media. As if bitcoin is used only by criminals, crooks and just villains. This topic is an example that things are completely different. Btc users are mostly honest and decent people, deserving respect. It is a pity that such cases, which prove the opposite of what the media say, for the most part remain here, within the community, and people simply don't know about such happy endings.

This feeling comes mostly - I think - from the news that are spread from the media and on the social networks sadly. To add to that, every day it seems that there is a new scam token that's ready to empty unaware users of their money - take a look at the most recent example of the Amazon Token[1]. Experienced users in this area already know what to watch out for and what dangerous are lurking behind these "offerings" but the random Joe on the street that hears about these "offers" just wants to quickly take advantage of the market, because "crypto" is booming and, for them, anything is crypto. Granted, their greed will most likely be their demise, but then they'll say that this "world" is full of scammers and criminals that just want to grab your money, so anyone else should stay out of it!

Take, for example, this recent post from r/CryptoCurrency, a prime example that most people are still unaware of whats actually happening regarding crypto acceptance:

All of a sudden, while we are on a break, I start hearing people chatting about crypto, all started with someone saying "Ah better to invest in DogeCoin, I heard that it's hot right now", I continued to listen as I had nothing better to do. "Yes..." - Replied and continued another guy "... I've seen that I guy bought a pizza for eleven thousand BTC and now it's worth Millions".

It was a shock to me. Not the fact that they were talking about crypto, but that they are SO BEHIND in terms of news about crypto, they were basically lagging 5 to 7 months in time.

There's even a coach that quit his job when he heard that the team was taken over by a Bitcoin podcaster. If you go to the post over at r/soccer[3] you'll see posts similar to this one[4] - regarding BTC/crypto concept:

They all sound like MLM schemes (Mary Kay, Herbalife, advocare)

They don't sound like it, they are like it. Anyone pitching crypto/NFTs are just trying to put another level underneath them so when the pyramid crumbles they aren't at the bottom

(...)But the true reason it's a pyramid scheme is simple, the value of a coin is worth what someone else will pay for it and nothing more. Thus, anyone holding crypto must continue to convince others to pay ever-more money for the coin, otherwise the value will stagnate. If at any point there are fewer buyers for the coin than sellers, the price will plummet, leaving those who bought most recently holding the bag while everyone else jumps onto the next hot new coin that will earn them more money.

Because it pretty much is. The new meme is that Crypto is just MLM for men.

Whenever I see a discussion about crypto, I always try my best to explain what it actually is and what it isn't. This is an uneven fight - every scam token that will be launched will put a nail on the "trust" of crypto for the random Joe - but I feel like that if every one of us makes the effort to at least teach 1 person about crypto, then it's already a positive thing. The most common argument, at least from my side, is "Bah but BTC is used by criminals!". But when I show them news such as these[5] their arguments quickly fade in strength ...
[1]https://blog.avast.com/beware-of-a-new-amazon-token-crypto-scam
[2]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/rmufg7/realized_how_disconnected_normal_people_are_from/
[3]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/soccer/comments/rm4o60/bedford_fc_manager_quits_following_takeover_by/
[4]https://libreddit.spike.codes/r/soccer/comments/rm4o60/bedford_fc_manager_quits_following_takeover_by/hpjzh1g/?context=3
[5]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/14/business/natwest-bank-money-laundering-trash-bags/index.html

[LTU_btc]

I know how it feel to lose some Bitcoin either by human error or getting scammed as I experienced both and dont want someone to get same feelings.

Happy to see you got your money back. And many thanks to theymos

Not everything is dark and negative in this world when we have honest people like you. When I read OP and beginning of theymos post, I didn't expected that this story will have such outcome. And it's even more nice that everything happned just before Christmas .