COPA just won its first hearing against Craig

[Pffrt]

Don't forget that when he first claimed to be Satoshi he did "provide cryptographic proof" (which was fake and was pretty fast found out to be fake).
The point is... is there a risk the judge could be fooled by such a proof? Because if it's so, we may face a huge fiasco.
(You know.. "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worse"...)

That's not possible I think. How can the judge be fooled, by fake signature? Judge seems to have some good hands on cryptography and of course, he will have his home work.
This is what I read from the article-

I should say that I understand "PGP signature" to mean a method, using a public key-based cryptography programme (where "PGP" stands for "pretty good privacy"), of verifying the genuineness of a statement that a particular person has authored a particular electronic document.

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[DaveF]

The Law Society Gazette

Bitcoin 'inventor' claim to be tested following admissibility ruling - By Michael Cross - 24 December 2021
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/bitcoin-inventor-claim-to-be-tested-following-admissibility-ruling/5111017.article

'... The Gazette understands that the full trial will not take place before 2023.'

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.
As for the case itself, I think faketoshi is going to loose some other things between now and then, and loose this one too. Then just slowly fade away while scamming his followers out of more money.

-Dave

[o_e_l_e_o]

Why is this guy fond of forging documents all the time?

Because he is unable to provide a single shred of authentic evidence.

A lot could happen in the next year or so- including more court cases envovling CSW !

Well, unless he decides to run away because he knows he will lose: https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1474055810334474245. Maybe he just needs more time to produce more forgeries.

No doubt the cult will somehow spin this in to a win for CSW.

[Lucius]

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.

I just thought the opposite when it comes to the US, that justice is much faster than in some EU countries. I can't say how long a court proceeding lasts in an individual EU member state, but in my country, which is riddled with corruption, court proceedings take years, and when a verdict is finally reached, the higher instance (Supreme Court) can easily get everything back to square one.

As for the case itself, I think faketoshi is going to loose some other things between now and then, and loose this one too. Then just slowly fade away while scamming his followers out of more money.

When he exhausts all the possibilities in the courts in US&UK, he will probably find another country and start all over again. There are countries where Faketoshi is officially recognized as Satoshi, and when we know how corrupt the countries of Central and South America are, I would not be surprised if Faketoshi buys a few more certificates that he can take with him to the toilet

[NeuroticFish]

That's not possible I think. How can the judge be fooled, by fake signature? Judge seems to have some good hands on cryptography and of course, he will have his home work.

While I've basically noticed that from the first outcome of the trial, I would not rely solely on the judge, since I've seen strategies to move the trial to a different judge for various reasons.
On the other side, this gave me some hope:

I'm also fairly sure COPA would require any proof to be made available to them as well for examination, and would therefore be able to point out where CSW had tried to lie to the court.

[larry_vw_1955]

Yeah definitely keep this updated. I’m desperate to see that POS get what he deserves. It’s about time he was consigned to the history books for what he is, a liar & a fraudster.

if we assume the above statement to be true, which is just an assumption, why would that mean bitcoin sv is a scam?

[DooMAD]

No doubt the cult will somehow spin this in to a win for CSW.

I normally don't read Ayre's repugnant propaganda rag, but I had a peek out of sheer morbid curiosity.  They're effectively saying "the battle has only just begun" and that COPA's defeat is only a matter of time.    

At this stage, I can't tell whether they genuinely believe what they're writing or not.  

if we assume the above statement to be true, which is just an assumption, why would that mean bitcoin sv is a scam?

Because everything about the way it is promoted is a lie.  If they had just stuck with something along the lines of "We have ideological differences with the way in which Bitcoin is developed, so we are forging our own path because we believe this is how it should work", I suspect most people would be relatively okay with that.  But instead, they went with "This coin is endorsed by satoshi nakamoto.  He is the figurehead of our movement and we are guided by his will, so you should want the same things we do", which is clearly false, manipulative and downright offensive.

Imagine this was done in the art world.  "This piece was painted by <insert artist here> and continues to extend upon their earlier catalogue of work".  Except it's not by that artist at all.  We would call that a forgery.  Forgeries are a type of scam.  You would call anyone attempting to sell that forgery a scammer.  It wouldn't matter how good the forgery was, whether it took a certain amount of talent or skill to create, or even whether it served any useful purpose.  The fact that it is a forgery overrides any of that.  Because people value integrity.  

That project and its supporters have no integrity.  

[stompix]

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.

As long as the judge will rule on accepting any applications to the lawsuit, like the one added by COPA and the one refused for faketoshi, it can go on for quite a while, this is a civil lawsuit between two parties and to furthermore add to the delays is the fact that there has been no application or claim that the copyright claim carries any financial advantage so basically, there is no loss for the claimant,  nor would the situation change in case of any accidents that might happen to either the claimant or the defendant.

With every application that is filled and accepted the judge must offer one side the time to file against it so this could drag for a while until simply the judge stops amending anything, at that point, the ruling will come pretty fast, but now it's more like a tennis game.

I just thought the opposite when it comes to the US, that justice is much faster than in some EU countries. I can't say how long a court proceeding lasts in an individual EU member state, but in my country, which is riddled with corruption, court proceedings take years, and when a verdict is finally reached, the higher instance (Supreme Court) can easily get everything back to square one.

Statically yeah, developed countries from the Anglosphere and Asian courts have the shortest trials, with Eastern and Southern Europe the longest but...when it comes to crypto, as usual, things are more like the exception, for example, the MtGox case that was almost a complete failure, if it weren't for the price rise it would have been the worst "rehabilitation" plan in history.

[DooMAD]

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.

As long as the judge will rule on accepting any applications to the lawsuit, like the one added by COPA and the one refused for faketoshi, it can go on for quite a while

And with Faketoshi being the slippery weasel he is, that will no doubt add to the length of proceedings as well.  Chances are, it's in Faketoshi's interests to drag things out as long as possible, because it's more time in the spotlight and potentially a larger number of onlookers giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

Hopefully the judge will cut through his farcical antics fairly quickly.

[DaveF]

Are delays like this common? I know in the US delays / pauses in court cases are common and can take years to work their way through. I always thought that was just a US thing.

I just thought the opposite when it comes to the US, that justice is much faster than in some EU countries. I can't say how long a court proceeding lasts in an individual EU member state, but in my country, which is riddled with corruption, court proceedings take years, and when a verdict is finally reached, the higher instance (Supreme Court) can easily get everything back to square one.

Court cases in some parts of the US can take YEARS to get through. I dealt with a landlord dispute that started in 2008 and ended in 2016.
My ex GF had a case that went on for close to 9 years between delays, change of lawyers, change of judge (voted out), another judge (retired).
I always thought that this was just a US think, never knew it went on elsewhere. No idea why.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
Yes, if this goes on for years he is going to keep bilking his followers out of tons of money. The only thing that will save them is if his coin falls to nothing or the blockchain implodes rendering it useless.
But, in the end I think he will loose, and I also think people will keep following him.

-Dave

[omone1]

Craig Wright loves to be popular in a most dubious way. It has always been established that he is an imposter, this judgement is further reviling his dubious character. Why can't he just relax and work on his shit project than always dragging the bitcoin community? He can prove nothing.

[larry_vw_1955]

Because everything about the way it is promoted is a lie.  If they had just stuck with something along the lines of "We have ideological differences with the way in which Bitcoin is developed, so we are forging our own path because we believe this is how it should work", I suspect most people would be relatively okay with that.  But instead, they went with "This coin is endorsed by satoshi nakamoto.  He is the figurehead of our movement and we are guided by his will, so you should want the same things we do", which is clearly false, manipulative and downright offensive.

makes sense. thanks for laying it out.

[mynonce]

The Register: Bitcoin 'inventor' will face forgery claims over his Satoshi Nakamoto proof, rules High Court
https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/06/craig_wright_satoshi_nakamoto_forgery_claims/

'A man who claims to be the secret inventor of Bitcoin has failed in a legal bid to throw out a High Court lawsuit saying he's talking tosh – and will be accused of forging proof he is Satoshi Nakamoto.'

A summary for those, who are new here.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Another update in the case is viewable here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BLkVxG1wtvzEQeByFGUFYfzWTkvihqie/

The TL;DR is that devs have won a ruling which states that CSW must pay a security deposit to cover their legal costs up front, since the judge ruled she has "reason to believe" that CSW "will be unable to pay the defendants’ costs if ordered to do so."

Also, two particularly hilarious snippets:

These private keys were deleted (presumably after having been copied) by hackers who accessed Dr Wright's computer in February 2020.

So Satoshi only had one copy of all the private keys for ~1 million bitcoin, which he stored on one single hot wallet, with no back ups and terrible security precautions. And then the hackers, after completing one of the biggest heists of all time and who are now holding the keys to $40 billion worth of bitcoin, have decided not to spend a single satoshi.

A company called nChain Limited (“nChain”) is said to be working on a modification to the existing BSV client software, which would enable someone who owns but cannot access the BSV to regain control of them.

For those who don't know, nChain is run by CSW and Calvin Ayre. They are actively working to fork BSV to let CSW spend the equivalent of Satoshi's coins on the BSV network, so he can dump them to try to cover some of his escalating legal costs. They might want to do it soon since BSV continues to hit new all time lows. If for some crazy reason you are holding any BSV, better sell it soon.

[dezoel]

It seems quite strange how this guy keeps on dragging what doesn’t belong to him. Or does this really belong to him? I am really fed up with Craig Wright’s news, always dragging whether he is Satoshi Nakamoto or not at all. I’m not even believing his claims at all, because there have been so many things to prove that he is not who he claims to be.

A lot of times he has been caught forging documents, and if he was truly the real Satoshi Nakamoto, then he wouldn’t be forging any form of documents to prove who he is.  Satoshi would have been able to prove who he is without even stressing a bit. It would have been an easy process for him, but since this guy is not the real person, he’s always finding it difficult to claim that he is the one. And I don’t know why he keeps on persisting that he is the one, while it is now becoming clear that he is not.

[aoluain]

This thread reads quite well

Looks like the cracks are starting to appear in CSW's claims ?^{we all knew there were there all along}

Everything surrounding CSW is beginning to look way more interesting now,
as @Lucius says he wants to see CSW in prison, I would like it to be a long drawn
out process as the expense of CSW ending in the total ruination of him and his
accomplices.

[Pmalek]

So Satoshi only had one copy of all the private keys for ~1 million bitcoin, which he stored on one single hot wallet, with no back ups and terrible security precautions. And then the hackers, after completing one of the biggest heists of all time and who are now holding the keys to $40 billion worth of bitcoin, have decided not to spend a single satoshi.

Are all those private keys supposed to be for the addresses in Block #9 that was mined by Satoshi aka Craig Wright or is he talking about different keys?
So, the digital proof that he is Satoshi is gone, but we should just take his word for it.

I wonder whether the court will believe that he had a .txt file named Satoshi (me) private keys deleted from his computer.

[o_e_l_e_o]

And I don’t know why he keeps on persisting that he is the one, while it is now becoming clear that he is not.

He's too deep in his lies now. I'll wager he never thought it would go this far, but if he admits his lies now then he will lose everything he has paying legal costs and still end up in jail. He has no option but to persist.

Are all those private keys supposed to be for the addresses in Block #9 that was mined by Satoshi aka Craig Wright or is he talking about different keys?

Apparently he is referring here specifically to keys which were "stolen" from him in the "pineapple WiFi hack", which refers to the keys for the following two addresses:
1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF
12ib7dApVFvg82TXKycWBNpN8kFyiAN1dr

It's become a challenge to keep up with all the different lies for how he has managed to lose the keys for just so many different addresses at different times in different ways from different systems.

I wonder whether the court will believe that he had a .txt file named Satoshi (me) private keys deleted from his computer.

He claims he had the only copy of the keys encrypted on that computer, which were stolen in a hack using a suspicious WiFi device which was planted in his house. As soon as he discovered the file was missing, instead of trying to recover it, he immediately formatted the drive, permanently losing access to his keys and destroying all evidence of the "hack". He did this because he is a computer genius.

[Pmalek]

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I have to admit that I haven't stayed up-to-date with what craig (intentionally spelt with a lowercase 'c') has claimed had happened to his coins and the ways in which he was hacked. But keeping only one backup of your private keys on a digital medium seems like something a genius would do. In case of hardware failures or hacks, you should immediately format your system and not attempt to look for or recover the only copy of your private keys that unlocks access to billions of dollars worth of Bitcoin today. Why would you, it's the only copy. That really sounds like Satoshi's vision (pun intended).   

[savetheFORUM]

'A man who claims to be the secret inventor of Bitcoin has failed in a legal bid to throw out a High Court lawsuit saying he's talking tosh – and will be accused of forging proof he is Satoshi Nakamoto.'

A summary for those, who are new here.

When exactly do they plan to end this case, because they have been dragging it for a long time now? At some point I stopped seeing news about Craig Wright, and I thought that he might have given up on claiming to be satoshi nakamoto, or that maybe everything just ended, but I’m surprised that I just started seeing news about him from late 2021 and till this year now. It’s really bad that he keeps on losing, and there are so many bad claims against him, but he still keeps on persisting to be satoshi nakamoto and keeps extending everything.

Just don’t know why he really doesn’t want to give up, Despite that he doesn’t even have a way to prove that he is the real Satoshi nakamoto, and all the documents he kept providing are just forged documents. This is quite bad.