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December 30, 2021, 01:01:30 PM
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Elon Musk seems to agree with many that the hypersecretive cryptocurrency expert Nick Szabo might be Satoshi Nakamoto, the mysterious creator of the digital currency bitcoin.
"You can look at the evolution of ideas before the launch of bitcoin and see who wrote about those ideas," Musk told the artificial-intelligence researcher Lex Fridman in a podcast published Tuesday when asked what he thought about Nakamoto's identity.

The Tesla billionaire said while he "obviously" didn't know who created bitcoin, Szabo's theories seemed fundamental to the creation of the leading cryptocurrency.
"It seems as though Nick Szabo is probably, more than anyone else, responsible for the evolution of those ideas," he said. "He claims not to be Nakamoto, but I'm not sure that's neither here nor there. But he seems to be the one more responsible for the ideas behind bitcoin than anyone else."

Bitcoin was first proposed in October 2008 by Satoshi Nakamoto, a pseudonym for who people believed could be one person or several people.

In 2014, a team of linguistic researchers studied Nakamoto's bitcoin whitepaper alongside the writing of Szabo and 10 other possible creators. They found the results to be indisputable.
"The number of linguistic similarities between Szabo's writing and the bitcoin whitepaper is uncanny," the researchers said, adding: "None of the other possible authors were anywhere near as good of a match."

A 2015 New York Times report also pinned bitcoin's invention on Szabo. He has spoken publicly about the history of bitcoin and blockchain technology, but he's repeatedly denied claims that he's the anonymous inventor behind the digital asset. Another reason he's linked to bitcoin is his creation of the "bit gold" cryptocurrency in 1998.

Musk indicated he didn't think there was much significance behind the identity of bitcoin's creator: "What is a name anyway? It's a name attached to an idea. What does it even mean, really?"

Backing his thought, he quoted William Shakespeare to say: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/elon-musk-bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto-creator-cryptocurrency-history-2021-12


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Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?
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December 30, 2021, 02:27:20 PM
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Alot of people claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto but only one man claims not to be Satoshi even when people point fingers at him as the inventor of bitcoin. He could be the one we are searching for in disguise. He has alot of tech backgrounds that can be linked back to the knowledge of Satoshi Nakamoto. He created Smart contract in 1998.

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I was wondering when this topic will come to the surface of the forum, and I read the article 2 days ago - it means that the forum is a little late in gathering information.

What people don’t realize is that Mr. Mars needs to be always in the media and he’s addicted to it, and now apparently in the absence of some better topic he’s started speculating about who Satoshi Nakamoto might be. The fact is that he knows nothing but what he has read, and he himself admits that some basic things are not clear to him - which does not make him as intelligent a person as many consider him.

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Musk also told Fridman he doesn't understand ethereum-based smart contracts—blockchain-based, self-executing contracts that run when certain, preprogrammed conditions are met.

"I never quite understood how this whole smart contract thing, you know," said Musk, joking, "I'm too dumb to understand smart contracts" and saying: "My general approach to any kind of like deal or whatever is just make sure there's clarity of understanding.

I doubt that he can even meaningfully define Bitcoin, blockchain or altcoin, but in order for people to listen to you, you don't necessarily have to be intelligent, you just have to have a lot of money. Furthermore, one thinks about which currency will be the official currency on Mars, which is absurd at the moment and will be for decades to come.

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However, Musk went on to predict that the meme-based bitcoin rival dogecoin, or perhaps some other cryptocurrency, will eventually become the official currency of Mars—something Musk has previously hinted at with a proposed project to use his rocket company SpaceX to "put a literal dogecoin on the literal moon."

"I think Mars itself will need to have a different currency ... I don't know if Mars would have a cryptocurrency as a thing, but probably it seems likely, but it would be kind of a localized thing on Mars," Musk said, adding: "The future of Mars should be up to the Martians."

As a final thought, I don't care what this character thinks about anything related to Bitcoin, he is not at all competent to express his opinion about it.

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December 30, 2021, 03:26:12 PM
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Elon has his talent to say joke. Again he shows his talent and I am sure not all crypto investors feel happy with his jokes because many of them are weak hands and use leverages so their positions and account balance should be liquidated and lose lots of value from such jokes.

Elon can guess so as we so please consider it as very simple guess. Don't over exaggerate its importance because the joke is from Elon.

More important, who is real satoshi nakamoto now not important, isn't it?
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December 30, 2021, 03:30:01 PM
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I don't think if Nick Szabo is Satoshi Nakamoto look at the name Satoshi compared to his name and personality. Most people believe that Satoshi is Japanese even wiki that satoshi claimed that he is Japanese so how did he become a Nick Szabo?

I search a bit but many articles said Satoshi Nakamoto is Nick Szabo but he repeatedly denied it. According to Wiki, he is one who designed a mechanism for Bit Gold.
Still, no proof exists that Szabo is Satoshi Nakamoto but there are many people believe that he is Satoshi.

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December 30, 2021, 03:42:55 PM
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Elon can guess so as we so please consider it as very simple guess. Don't over exaggerate its importance because the joke is from Elon.

More important, who is real satoshi nakamoto now not important, isn't it?

It would be nice to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is, right? But I agree that not knowing the personality of Satoshi is detrimental on everyone’s part. Yes, it is a mystery that everyone has been looking forward to unlock but not being able to do so doesn’t result and mean anything bad. We could all guess who Satoshi is, including Elon Musk, by that will be all guesses at the end of the day.

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December 30, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
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What people don’t realize is that Mr. Mars needs to be always in the media and he’s addicted to it, and now apparently in the absence of some better topic he’s started speculating about who Satoshi Nakamoto might be.

Very well said.
I've seen the news for some time (at least 24h), but I said nothing hoping that somehow it'll get unnoticed.
But no. People talk about him again, so mission accomplished (by him). After all, it doesn't matter who Satoshi is. Elon had to be in the news and that's all that matters.

What's next? Will he post about Bitcoin reaching at <insert shockingly big number here> or will post about how bad bitcoin is? Grin

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December 30, 2021, 04:01:02 PM
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I don't think if Nick Szabo is Satoshi Nakamoto look at the name Satoshi compared to his name and personality. Most people believe that Satoshi is Japanese even wiki that satoshi claimed that he is Japanese so how did he become a Nick Szabo?

I search a bit but many articles said Satoshi Nakamoto is Nick Szabo but he repeatedly denied it. According to Wiki, he is one who designed a mechanism for Bit Gold.
Still, no proof exists that Szabo is Satoshi Nakamoto but there are many people believe that he is Satoshi.
Ofcourse, it isn't comparable because we are using names that is pseudo-anonymous so it couldn't be linked to our real name nor informations. Just like your name here in this forum.
We don't know for sure who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto but Nick Szabo is the best guess by the experts because his writings and the creators writings are too close. Especially when Nick created the Bit Gold way back 1998, it was an attempt to create a decentralized currency just like the successful bitcoin we have now.

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December 30, 2021, 04:09:45 PM
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.


Thank god, Elon Musk did not claim himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto. You can expect anything from his tweets.
I have stopped following his tweets and words ever since he has started promoting DogeCoin. I don't believe in Elon musk guesses for Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto.

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December 30, 2021, 04:46:17 PM
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The debate continues...
Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.
Thank god, Elon Musk did not claim himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto. You can expect anything from his tweets.
I have stopped following his tweets and words ever since he has started promoting DogeCoin. I don't believe in Elon musk guesses for Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Lol,  Cheesy Cheesy

I will not be surprised if he claims himself as Satoshi.
Do you people believe his statement till now?? This man say one thing in the morning and said the opposite in the afternoon. At morning press conference he said Bitcoin is the digital gold, during supper, he said Bitcoin is not eco-friendly. I don't know how much confidence he has in his own words!

To me, it is unnecessary to search for Satoshi Nakamoto when he wants to be hidden from us.
Debate is not needed to convince him when he will want to express himself, people will believe him spontaneously.

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December 30, 2021, 06:00:42 PM
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Do we need to see every day a different topic for Elon Musk’s perception of cryptocurrencies? He is just an investor and he is the richest man in the world, but he cannot influence a currency with a market capacity of more than a trillion dollars.
It may have an impact on the Dogecoin market but we should not take it seriously in the major currency market.

The ambiguity of who is Satoshi Nakamoto is a media and legal issue more than it has an impact on the price of Bitcoin or the future development of the currency.
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A part of me somewhat thinks that Elon does not really mean most of the things he says as regards Bitcoin, but just does it so as to remain relevant in the network, and maybe sometimes cause manipulation, if you understand this whole scenario about who Satoshi is, you'll understand that actual Bitcoin users do not really care too much about who Satoshi is, not that they would not like to know, but just being in the network and benefiting from Satoshi's creation outweighs their desire to actually know who the creator is. But on the other hand, it's people who have openly said negative things about the network and do not actually believe in it that are so much concerned about who Satoshi is and are even trying to impersonate Satoshi.
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.


Thank god, Elon Musk did not claim himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto. You can expect anything from his tweets.
I have stopped following his tweets and words ever since he has started promoting DogeCoin. I don't believe in Elon musk guesses for Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto.
But already about Elon Musk they began to say that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Of course, these conversations are not substantiated by serious arguments. After Elon Musk began to criticize the energy efficiency of bitcoin, he cannot be Satoshi Nakamoto. Nobody will ever establish the real Satoshi Nakamoto. He himself could have done it, but he took all measures to remain anonymous.

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I personally always thought Adam Back was Satoshi. There are an insane amount of similarities between the two.

Adam hasn't even tried to claim that he was. I was going to do a large write-up on what I thought but it seems this has been debated before on this forum and was not received well at all.

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December 30, 2021, 07:10:38 PM
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Actually I read this article a few days ago and was waiting for this thread to be on the forums because for me it would be really exciting.
The debate about who satoshi is currently still going on and hot enough to watch and witness Cheesy
But on the other hand, debates like this will only lead to speculation. Anyone who argues about it is still only speculation and there is no clarity on what will happen next.
Satoshi probably laughed and was quite happy to see that he is still very mysterious and remains anonymous Cheesy

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December 30, 2021, 08:02:53 PM
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?

Just according to the writing style alone we can't say Nick Szabo is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. There are still some things that we have to investigate such as the email that Satoshi used when he was still active in communicating via the internet. We have to ask more about Bitcoin to Nick Szabo if he understands and can explain the ins and outs of Bitcoin in the past until now, if he manages to prove not everything then he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

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Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

No matter how smart his pool may be, it will never be able to compete with people who take this question as seriously as a full job and have done a lot and lot investigating, even followed every lead and clue available.



I remember few years ago, there was a rumor that the NSA would have been discovered Satoshi's true identity !



About CSW, the reports circulating on the case are never very clear !
If it's really him Satoshi,  understand: if he go proof to everyone that's really is him, like with signing a message like Vitalik suggested, it will be his death warrant in a way !
 
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The debate continues...

Satoshi posted here on bitcointalk.org ~600 times. All these post have a timestamp. And for all proposed candidates to be Satoshi, we can find a post where the timestamp doesn't match the activity of the candidate. For example: Satoshi posted on X/Y/2010 12:00 UTC, but the candidate was at that time on a flight. All posts/candidates are checked.
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One thing is for sure. The Pseudomonous nature or Satoshi Nakamoto have sustained even when bitcoin ment nothing to nobody and how about now that it means something, it means, even those should there be any who bare truth and would have been willing to tell a tale would keep all ends closed and tied. There would be no knowing who Satoshi Nakamoto is no matter how hard they try.

Musk is just doing what he loves doing best, that is, staying in the media and making money where he could find it. Don't pay too much attention to garbage.

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December 30, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
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One thing is for sure. The Pseudomonous nature or Satoshi Nakamoto have sustained even when bitcoin ment nothing to nobody and how about now that it means something, it means, even those should there be any who bare truth and would have been willing to tell a tale would keep all ends closed and tied. There would be no knowing who Satoshi Nakamoto is no matter how hard they try.

Musk is just doing what he loves doing best, that is, staying in the media and making money where he could find it. Don't pay too much attention to garbage.
Even we do say that we shouldnt really pay attention but people or community around couldnt really just resists on not to make out any reactions or even do believe on what Musk is shitting out from his mouth.

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Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?

Only SN (Satoshi Nakamoto) and NS (Nick Szabo), maybe that's a match. Lol

This makes me think hard and try to find information, even though I'm always not interested in people who claim or are accused of being Satoshi. Because in my eyes Satoshi will still not appear on the surface. That's the principle I hold on to. However, out of curiosity I just surfed the internet and read some articles. Whether what I read is valid or not, at least I know what people are referring to. Regarding the compatibility that experts say between the Bitcoin Whitepapers and the smart contract article Nick Szabo published.

I pondered for a long time and became more and more interested in going through each article referenced. Until Nick's article https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/548/469 then I didn't continue. Because I admit my capacity is not enough to study one article in a short time.

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I do remember that there was one discussion here in this forum about Satoshi and Nick Szabo's writing style, and there were some examples too, but the post got flooded by 'skeptics' easily which led me to believe that maybe it is too far fetched for someone as genius as Satoshi to pin someone as the creator of bitcoin since that would be giving that someone some form of 'authority' over bitcoin, which he so despises.

Perhaps Elon could just go back to building rockets instead of using the media to gain attention once more. But at least his guess is somewhat sensible, so there's that.
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I do remember that there was one discussion here in this forum about Satoshi and Nick Szabo's writing style, and there were some examples too, but the post got flooded by 'skeptics' easily which led me to believe that maybe it is too far fetched for someone as genius as Satoshi to pin someone as the creator of bitcoin since that would be giving that someone some form of 'authority' over bitcoin, which he so despises.

Perhaps Elon could just go back to building rockets instead of using the media to gain attention once more. But at least his guess is somewhat sensible, so there's that.
Gaining or Getting attention is what i do believe on what he had been doing these things and we know that as long he do retains his exposure and awareness then that automatically
markets out his company and investments that he do have which is quite a wise thing to be done which it isnt really that surprising for that kind of motive or intent
on mind.

Speaking of breaking those mysteries on whose Satoshi is then this is the most hardest thing and i dont believe that this would be easily be cracked out.
We have seen lots of those self proclaimed satoshis and other investigations but all of those arent still get proved out.

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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.


Nick Szabo has always been the leading candidate, but after I learned that he had a talk on stage in an Ethereum conference, I don’t think Satoshi would be that stupid.

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Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?


Satoshi did extra steps to hide his real identity. He programmed in Windows, probably changed the way he coded too. He was also known to use English expressions as if he was English. He wanted people to believe he was also Adam Back perhaps?

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December 31, 2021, 08:36:15 AM
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What people don’t realize is that Mr. Mars needs to be always in the media and he’s addicted to it, and now apparently in the absence of some better topic he’s started speculating about who Satoshi Nakamoto might be. The fact is that he knows nothing but what he has read, and he himself admits that some basic things are not clear to him - which does not make him as intelligent a person as many consider him.
This is exactly what i believe and has mentioned same in my post also :

Elon Musk is more famous as Clown musk now because all of his useless twets and he is now becoming like those celebrities who always want publicity but all the btc maximalist hates him due to his fake talks.Like recently he tweeted that Nick Szabo could be Satoshi Nakamoto in recent statement which aroused another Twitter sensation and debate among users.

The same thing happened when he accepted to come at btc discussion among Jack and Cathie wood on Bitcoin event to have a conversation on which we saw he was wearing bitcoin evolution t-shirt and then supporting it also.Then he planned his regular games of tweeting about doge and some other coins to pump and dump scheme for his own personal benefits.I also ignore him as much I can but to some extent also learn what the shit is he posting on twitter to make people on his side but his magic wond has lost it's power with the world realising his manipulation game.There is one thing which we need to understand deeply :


There were speculation regarding Nick Szabo about being the original creator of bitcoin like his previous work if bitgold but later on he himself denied the facts and there are many other reasons for which he was in the list of that could be Satoshi but are not

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“As I’ve stated many times before, all this speculation is flattering, but wrong — I am not Satoshi.”

I also opened a thread about the same topic and then Clown musk is spreading rumours to the fools who might have his word and we see it again hyping this trend.


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There were speculation regarding Nick Szabo about being the original creator of bitcoin like his previous work if bitgold but later on he himself denied the facts and there are many other reasons for which he was in the list of that could be Satoshi but are not


Satoshi was very smart. Before the Genesis Block, he was already taking those extra, subtle steps to mislead people, and to cause everyone to hypothesize who he truly was, taking them far away from the truth. For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

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December 31, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
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Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these.
I seriously doubt that. If he did consult anybody half smart in bitcoin community they would have told him to stop repeating the same old arguments that were made many years ago about a pointless topic.
He just seeks more attention and what better topic for attention these days than the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto specially since these days the Scammer Wright made a headline or two.

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December 31, 2021, 09:06:08 AM
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it's just an assumption from Elon, even though it's true that Mr. Szabo is Satoshi, he has to prove it himself to be valid.

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December 31, 2021, 10:10:19 AM
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If they're right about satoshi nakamoto identity, then what? is there a reward? Because who cares to be honest wherein if satoshi don't want to display his real identity even bitcoin nowadays is so popular and very successful. It's his choice to become anonymous forever so much better to don't bother him anymore. And just be thankful that he bring bitcoin to us.. Lol
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.


Thank god, Elon Musk did not claim himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto. You can expect anything from his tweets.
I have stopped following his tweets and words ever since he has started promoting DogeCoin. I don't believe in Elon musk guesses for Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Maybe later on he will claim just to be on the spot light when maybe most of his mars plans will be a failure. To gather audience and fame again, he needs a better news and surely say he is Satoshi Nakamoto. This Mars guy is way too much to gain attention, I love his creation, Tesla cars but his personality is the problem. I know this is guys have money and power but never been as good as Nick.
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OP, the debate only continues because people keep picking it up after it has died. I'm sure for a lot of people Elon must be such a genius for figuring this out (or guessing neither here or there as he is quoted).

But I'm also sure the Nick Szabo guesswork has long been done years ago, and probably even with better evidence and stronger points of argument than this Musk guy.

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Well, at least it's not Craig Faketoshi. Nick Szabo is actually a computer scientist, and he is at least smart enough to have created Bitcoin. I agree with Musk that his ideas seem fundamental for Bitcoin, and that it doesn't really matter who the founder is. But Nick is definitely not the only one whose ideas seem fundamental. For example, David Chaum's eCash seems close enough and was created in 1995, so is Musk not aware of this guy's existence? Also, I don't think it's reasonable to maintain that someone is Satoshi if this person repeatedly denies it. As for Musk's views being discussed on the forum, I think it's inevitable. He's very popular, and while his opinion doesn't matter as much as it used to (in terms of Bitcoin's price movements), it's still something that many people care about.

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December 31, 2021, 11:27:45 AM
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If they're right about satoshi nakamoto identity, then what? is there a reward?

If we knew Satoshi's identity, so we would be able to say/ask him, whether his early mined coins (~1 million) will be moved or not.
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This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.

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December 31, 2021, 11:43:16 AM
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What's next? Will he post about Bitcoin reaching at <insert shockingly big number here> or will post about how bad bitcoin is? Grin

For a person like him, it is certainly not a problem to appear in the media whenever he wants, he just needs to choose one of the offers that he finds most interesting. And it is more evident that he does not have a firm stance when it comes to cryptocurrencies, which makes him a bit ridiculous if we consider that he first buys 40 000+ BTC, and then states that mining of that same BTC destroys the world by consuming too much energy - if 0.2% is too much, he has problems with elementary mathematics.



The same thing happened when he accepted to come at btc discussion among Jack and Cathie wood on Bitcoin event to have a conversation on which we saw he was wearing bitcoin evolution t-shirt and then supporting it also.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.

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This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.
I'm on the same page as yours, since I also think that Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't expose himself to the public. What we are trying to do here is just guessing and guessing without a proper evidence and is just comparing something that looks plausible. We should stop searching a person who doesn't want to be find and this obsession of finding someone has nothing to gain actually even if you say this is an achievement. We should stop meddling some people's personal life and what Elon Musk did was just a stunts to gain publicity he's been doing that ever since.

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I seriously doubt that. If he did consult anybody half smart in bitcoin community they would have told him to stop repeating the same old arguments that were made many years ago about a pointless topic.
He just seeks more attention and what better topic for attention these days than the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto specially since these days the Scammer Wright made a headline or two.
He didn't need to consult anyone because he is self proclaimed genius who knows all the shit in the market and that's why he sees so many use case of Doge the official currency for his Mars colonization but the other developers who have spent their whole life to contribute to the btc community can't see.The creator of doge doesn't want to return to the project and he thinks he can make people fool out of his rubbish tweet gameplay.Here is one relevant meme describing his situation in much better way :


He needs some serious mind chilling pills to take a break and see the reality but you know in actual he just wants to scam people through these shitcoins by shilling about them on twitter and then people will start investing in it and he will always remain in news and gain profits out of it.But these tricks don't work for long and same is happening with him which is why now Satohsi topic struck in his mind to come back to public.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.
He might have prepared but how can he get himself ready to face off someone knowing the core functioning of bitcoin and clown musk have no idea about what the hell they are going to discuss because no technical knowledge at all.Ofcourse he is businesses person and can issue statement with trend and make profits out of it but he is going off trend in this market.I watched this event and know in advance what's going to happen but the t-shirt was surprising to me.His facial expressions most of the time looks similar to me so not going on that part.

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December 31, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
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The debate continues...

This is not a new insight. Musk is merely picking up on something that has been discussed for a long time. Nick Szabo has certainly had a big influence on Satosthi through his previous research. Whether it's himself or someone else. I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman
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Well there is finally something I agree with Elon on, that Nick Szabo is Satoshi. I’ve spent far too much of my time looking in to this. Not that I want Satoshi to be figured out or to come out with it or whatever, but just because it’s one of the greatest mysteries of all time. Szabo is arguably the worlds most knowledgeable when it comes to crypto.. BitGold, creator of Smart Contracts etc. Also have to ask yourself why Nick doesn’t have a known bitcointalk account.

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December 31, 2021, 02:26:55 PM
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For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman

And then we wonder why EM thinks Nick Szabo is Satoshi, and everyone has their own opinion. Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.

Wei Dai and Adam Back were the first two people contacted by Satoshi Nakamoto as he was developing Bitcoin in 2008 and the b-money paper was referenced in the subsequent Bitcoin whitepaper.

In a May 2011 article, noted cryptographer Nick Szabo stated:

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)

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December 31, 2021, 05:34:30 PM
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what Nick Szabo is referring to as a satoshi at this time is that he was in touch with BitGold a few years ago and after BitGold disappeared then bitcoin appeared and this can be used as a reference when talking about matchology.
basically the systems of BitGold and Bitcoin have significant similarities.
But this is again just wild speculation circulating at this time without being able to know whether it is true or not.
Maybe now Satoshi is smiling and seeing how the debates and claims against him are getting hotter and hotter with lots of arguments in it.
Apart from that, I personally don't really care who his real identity is, but what is clear is that I will only be grateful for his hard work in creating a technology that can be said to be phenomenal in this century and hopefully he will always be healthy whenever and wherever he is now.
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January 01, 2022, 07:23:39 AM
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it's just an assumption from Elon, even though it's true that Mr. Szabo is Satoshi, he has to prove it himself to be valid.

btw. I really like Elon's way of joking, even though it's getting less and less funny Cheesy


The fact that Elon Musk and many others believe that Nick Szabo is Satoshi, makes my belief stronger that Nick Szabo is NOT Satoshi. Believe me, Satoshi took those extra steps to confuse the cypherpunks, the Bitcoin community, and the general public.

For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman

And then we wonder why EM thinks Nick Szabo is Satoshi, and everyone has their own opinion. Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.

Wei Dai and Adam Back were the first two people contacted by Satoshi Nakamoto as he was developing Bitcoin in 2008 and the b-money paper was referenced in the subsequent Bitcoin whitepaper.

In a May 2011 article, noted cryptographer Nick Szabo stated:

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)


One of them is Satoshi, and he’s confusing the other two. Hahaha.

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January 01, 2022, 09:49:22 AM
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Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?
It is quite funny that the person the world is believing to be the real satoshinakamoto is denying knowing anything about how Bitcoin was created, why those that we don't even believe that they are satoshinakamoto are the ones who are coming out to claim that they are the creator of Bitcoin.

Anyways, for now we can say that we have not seen the real Satoshi , although this guy that everyone is pointing at right from time (Nick Szabo) seems to be quite close to being the real satoshinakamoto due to a lot of things about him can be linked to the idea of Bitcoin. Apart from him, others who have come out to claim that they are the satoshinakamoto doesn’t really have much to prove for it. And at the end they just fell, because they have nothing to backup their claims.
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January 01, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
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I still have my doubts with people who claim to be the creators of bitcoin or with satoshi people. I am more arguing that the name Satoshi is not a person but a nickname from an organization that is deliberately created as a specific person's designation. behind the creator bitcoin must have many people but the status is deliberately kept secret, with the aim that they are safe from all sectors of threats and apart from that it is easy for them to control various cryptocurrencies so that they are always centralized.

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January 01, 2022, 01:38:43 PM
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Elon musk really like made a new rumor just for his own benefit. In the beginning, he accepted BTC for buying tesla, and he invest a lot of money for BTC then he said about an environmental issue and impact on BTC price. I don't believe what Whales said. In the fact that they're really easy for making an issue which influenced the psychology of penny's investor. I ever watched on fyp's Tiktok, Dan Pena said if you know who's behind BTC, the price will be zero, then he said crypto is just Putin's conspiracy. So, whatever they said is just an issue and we don't have to consider it seriously.

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January 01, 2022, 03:30:26 PM
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Lots of speculations about who the real Satoshi is have been existing for years but no one could provide pieces of evidence to prove it. I believe that it's easy for anyone to guess but even influential personalities just like Elon Musk could prove it. The real Satoshi Nakamoto might have chosen peace and silence over power and fame so he's keeping his identity private.
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January 01, 2022, 03:47:20 PM
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?
I was surprised after some research to find out that the issue of Nick Szabo being the author of the Bitcoin Whitepaper had happened in the year 2014 before I even join the Bitcoin scheme.
According to coindesk article which was written in the year 2014, the specific word phrases and publications used to judge Nick Szabo as the author of the Bitcoin whitepaper is

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“trusted third parties”, “for our purposes”, “need for ...”, “chain of ...” among others. The bitcoin paper also includes commas before ‘and’ and ‘but’, plenty of hyphenation, ‘-ly’ adverbs, pronouns ‘we’ and ‘our’ in a paper supposedly written by a single author.

Furthermore, the researchers found that the bitcoin whitepaper was drafted using Latex, an open-source document preparation system. Latex is also used by Szabo for all his publications.

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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.
If any person claims to be Satoshi then the only way to prove the ownership over Satoshi's identity is to sign a message using Satoshi's keys.
I wouldn't trust any other way of verification because anybody can claim he is Satoshi.

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Happy new year,
Saw this on the news yesterday, We cannot be sure about Satoshi and his real identity. He didn't log in to the forum for years and none heard anything about him during all these times just some famous and infamous people tried to say I'm the great Satoshi and stead his work and reputation, even if Elon is right and Szabo is the real Satoshi he will never say such thing because this would have a negative effect on the market also will put his own life in danger, I also don't know Szabo and got no information about it but maybe Elon is just trying to attract some attention to him.

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what Nick Szabo is referring to as a satoshi at this time is that he was in touch with BitGold a few years ago and after BitGold disappeared then bitcoin appeared and this can be used as a reference when talking about matchology.
basically the systems of BitGold and Bitcoin have significant similarities.
But this is again just wild speculation circulating at this time without being able to know whether it is true or not.
Maybe now Satoshi is smiling and seeing how the debates and claims against him are getting hotter and hotter with lots of arguments in it.
Apart from that, I personally don't really care who his real identity is, but what is clear is that I will only be grateful for his hard work in creating a technology that can be said to be phenomenal in this century and hopefully he will always be healthy whenever and wherever he is now.

Not significant, it is only 0.1% based on the research of a Skye Gray. In a conversation between the questioner and the relevant resource person, regarding the suitability that is being studied. Even the SG was not convinced at all. I remind you it's only about 0.1%. So let's take a look at how this started and what their conversation was like. I found it here https://techcrunch.com/2013/12/05/who-is-the-real-satoshi-nakamoto-one-researcher-may-have-found-the-answer/

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SG: Originally it was simple curiosity that drew me to the question. I like mysteries. Then I decided to publish what I found for two reasons:
– so that other people could attack my method and findings, or validate them. I want certitudes, and keeping for me what I had found would not get me anywhere.
– so as to address people’s concerns that a “bad guy” might have created Bitcoin. I think this question is what could harm the mainstream adoption of Bitcoin in the near future.

TC: How sure are you it’s Nick Szabo?
SG: I am not certain it’s Nick Szabo, but I have quite a few independent pieces of evidence pointing in his direction, each one interesting in itself:
– text analysis (only 0.1% of cryptography researchers could have produced this writing style –again, please, attack my methods on this)
– fact that Nick was searching for technical collaborators on the bit gold project (a very similar cryptocurrency) a few months before the announcement of Bitcoin (and then the bit gold project became perfectly silent)
– lack of citation of Nick’s work by Satoshi, whereas he cited other, less related cryptocurrencies
– lack of reaction on Nick’s part about Bitcoin, whereas a decentralized currency like Bitcoin had been a major project of his for 10 years
– fact that Nick deliberately post-dated his bit gold articles to look posterior to Bitcoin, shortly after the announcement of Bitcoin

Currently I am in contact with two different persons who will be running their own independent textual analysis to confirm my own.

TC: Does it matter? What would it change if it did, in your opinion?
SG: I think it’s very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoin’s history. The “agenda” behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the world’s monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in an attempt to make financial transactions easier to mine for interesting data patterns: we need to clear that up before we start relying heavily on Bitcoin in our lives.

I think it would be great news for Bitcoin if Nick Szabo turned out to be the mastermind behind it. Nick appears to be a remarkably brilliant, disinterested polymath academic. Who would you rather have at the origins of Bitcoin, a visionary professor and collaborators, or spooks?

TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best.
SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to “leave Satoshi alone”. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity. Satoshi currently holds about BTC 1M, valued at USD $1B, and has the power to potentially crash the Bitcoin markets. We need to know who the people who have power over us are, and what their intentions are. This is why we require background checks on our elected leaders. In the same way we need a “background check” on the Bitcoin system before we start handing it our monetary exchanges. Next would be to know what has become of Satoshi’s BTC stash.

The anonymous figure of Satoshi probably played a role in the early adoption of Bitcoin (“we are all Satoshi”), because the mystery created a powerful story drawing in early enthusiasts. Now this anonymity has become an obstacle to mainstream adoption, because there is legitimate concern over the origins and purpose of Bitcoin.

TC: How easy is it to assess identity via written “tics?”
SG: It’s rather easy. We all use language in our own particular way: the probability distribution over rare expressions, sentence structures, and stop words in our writing constitute a “signature” of sorts. It is not nearly as uniquely discriminative as a fingerprint, or DNA, but it is discriminative enough to distinguish one person out of a few hundreds or even thousands. For some people who tend to have more particular tics, like authors or academics, it constitutes a solid identification process.

In the case of Satoshi, I identified a number of unusual content-neutral expressions used both in Satoshi’s whitepaper and in Nick’s papers. For 4 of these expressions, I was able to estimate (using Google Scholar) the proportion of researchers in the cryptography community susceptible of using these expressions in a paper. These proportions are respectively 15%, 10%, 15%, and 50%. Assuming the use of each one is independent of the use of the others, the joint probability of finding a researcher using all of them in their writing is on the order of 0.1%. So this particular combination of writing tics could identify one cryptographer out of 1000. Even if these approximations are off by a large factor, the joint probability will stay quite small.

TC: Are there any close runners-up for the Satoshi identity?
SG: Nick is by far the number one candidate. I have nothing else significant enough to be worth mentioning.

TC: How many bitcoin do you have?
SG: Let’s say I have between 1 and 10 BTC. I am not heavily invested in Bitcoin, but I am definitely bullish on its adoption prospects.

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January 02, 2022, 02:58:00 PM
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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.

In the wording Musk did not say that he knows who Satosthi is, but only what he believes or considers most likely. And there was the name Nick Szabo. Of course, you could dismiss this as pure speculation, but maybe Elon Musk knows more than we do. However, as I already said, I personally don't believe that Szabo is Satoshi. But I guess everyone has their own opinion on that.
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to add a bit of old fuel to the speculation fire, how about some todler cryptography

its not nick..
but i do love some of the theories and 'proofs'

the funniest one is using the letters of his name
someone said nicks middle name was thomas

NICK THOMAS SZABO

take the C and the B change them to numeric (c=3 b=2)
3x2=6
6= 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1
1=A and 1,1,1,1,1     (A and five 1's)
1,1,1,1,1= 3 and 2
3x2=6
6=3 and 3
3x3=9

take the Z and change it to numeric (z=26)
26+9=35

just note that the missing letters  of satoshi nakamoto from nick thomas szabo are O=15 T=20   =35

so numerically we can see there is a conversion method for CZB=AOT
now take out the CZB nick thomas szabo and add in the AOT

NICK THOMAS SZABO
NIK THOMAS SAOAOT

now mix them letters up from:
NIK THOMAS SAOAOT

to:

S   (NIK THOMAS AOAOT)
SA   (NIK THOMAS OAOT)
SAT   (NIK HOMAS OAOT)
SATO   (NIK HMAS OAOT)
SATOS   (NIK HMA OAOT)
SATOSH   (NIK MA OAOT)
SATOSHI   (NK MA OAOT)
SATOSHI N  (K MA OAOT)
SATOSHI NA  (K M OAOT)
SATOSHI NAK  ( M OAOT)
SATOSHI NAKA  ( M OOT)
SATOSHI NAKAM  (  OOT)
SATOSHI NAKAMO  (  OT)
SATOSHI NAKAMOT  (  O)
SATOSHI NAKAMOTO

i know nick is not, but i just liked this bit of speculation and wordplay.. put a smile on my face

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Elon Musk needs to learn to stay mute about certain topics, he doesn't need to give his thoughts on every topic that goes round the crypto ecosystem if he wants to remain relavant and making his comments now and giving an opinion based on what is already in the public domain changes nothing. But his input is well appreciated, hope he doesn't make a new enemy with Craig Wright who seems not to be his candidate.

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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.

In the wording Musk did not say that he knows who Satoshi is, but only what he believes or considers most likely. And there was the name Nick Szabo. Of course, you could dismiss this as pure speculation, but maybe Elon Musk knows more than we do. However, as I already said, I personally don't believe that Szabo is Satoshi. But I guess everyone has their own opinion on that.

And this is also just speculation that keeps haunting my mind. I won't mention his name, but the one he is "ranked 2 in Most Merit" https://bpip.org/ seems to know better than Elon Musk about who Satoshi is. Maybe, again this is just my wild speculation, which still doesn't find a valid statement.

Back to the many articles that I found, and in the end, all said the most responsible candidate so far Nick. However several times Nick denied the accusations even in 2014 if I'm not mistaken he emphatically said: "I'm not Satoshi". Seeing the wordplay from Mr @franky1 is enough to make me waver and love the game and word counting.

From the abstraction found in the article Nick Szabo, 1997 generally describes the line of thought regarding smart contacts which is considered the forerunner to the emerging version of Bitcoins.

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Abstract "Smart contracts combine protocols with user interfaces to formalize and secure relationships over computer networks. Objectives and principles for the design of these systems are derived from legal principles, economic theory, and theories of reliable and secure protocols. Similarities and differences between smart contracts and traditional business procedures based on written contracts, controls, and static forms are discussed. By using cryptographic and other security mechanisms, we can secure many algorithmically specifiable relationships from breach by principals, and from eavesdropping or malicious interference by third parties, up to considerations of time, user interface, and completeness of the algorithmic specification. This article discusses protocols with application in important contracting areas, including credit, content rights management, payment systems, and contracts with bearers".

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I’m wondering how this could be of much importance if we came to know about whose real satoshi? In one of the discussion it was concluded that Satoshi might be hidden because he just don’t like the idea to be presented in front of the world or may be he has his own privacy concerns. I think none of this matters for real Satoshi and that’s why we should not be much worried about real charmer.

Let him be where he is and live his life at the fullest. He might have crossed us on the beach holding pint of beer or could be standing next to burger guy!

For curiosity the discussion is fine. But come on let him live for God Sake.  Grin
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I thought it was hilarious seeing Elon be asked if he was satoshi.  The fact he felt he actually needed to clarify he wasn't was a bit funny to me.  I saw a meme that perfectly described it...  It showed Elon denying being satoshi and then said, "nobody thought you were."  Which I felt was pretty accurate. 

Elon does some pretty amazing stuff, but he isn't sitting around at night trying to code a new global financial unit.  He thinks crypto is a neat little game but his attention goes toward making mankind a multi-planetary species.  The fact is that Elon probably knows less about crypto than many people on this board, but his knowledge of money and criticisms of Bitcoin are valid.  Bitcoin developers who think they know more about money than the richest person on earth should probably give themselves a reality check...

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--snip--
Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.
--snip--

I don't believe Satoshi could be Wei Dai because Satoshi could be his fan or disciple based on what the theory elaborated in your mentioned article, and it doesn't directly relates to Satoshi being him. However, this debate is a never-ending debate because even if Satoshi himself shows up some day but says that he lost the private key of his address where he's got his BTC, trust me nobody will believe even the real Satoshi Nakamoto to be him only and the debate will continue.

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Again Elon Musk introduces his agenda for discussion. But the question arises, is it very important to know who the creator of Bitcoin is, or are there more important questions? It is believed that Elon Musk is again taking the crypto message in a different direction, or simply, as already indicated above, to PR in order to be always relevant in the media. But still, how can information about who such Satoshi help the successful development of the crypto industry? But what if the received answer, on the contrary, makes the crypto industry worse? It's strange that no one thinks about it.
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The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?

It's kind of nice to live in a world of (good) mysteries and if Satoshi wanted to make themselves known then they would have done so already. I'm sure if they're still alive they're getting more than enough pleasure from the the whole new financial world that they have spawned and the marvelous new uses of blockchain technology that are taking place every day. A decentralized currency is a powerful tool against oppressive governments and stands alongside free speech as something that every freedom loving person should allow and embrace. Writing comparison is a very powerful tool however, as we all write in certain ways that can be compared like a fingerprint - so that is pretty powerful evidence.

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January 02, 2022, 08:46:39 PM
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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.

In the wording Musk did not say that he knows who Satosthi is, but only what he believes or considers most likely. And there was the name Nick Szabo. Of course, you could dismiss this as pure speculation, but maybe Elon Musk knows more than we do. However, as I already said, I personally don't believe that Szabo is Satoshi. But I guess everyone has their own opinion on that.

Not sure what to think about this whole Elon Musk/crypto thing. He may have a hidden agenda, but the guy does have a history of doing some odd things. Well, at least Musk didn't say Craig Wright was Satoshi. That has to count for something. I wonder if CSW will sue Musk for defamation? lol

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January 02, 2022, 09:28:41 PM
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I personally don't care if it is Elon Musk or a random guy who says he thinks who Satoshi might be.

In the wording Musk did not say that he knows who Satosthi is, but only what he believes or considers most likely. And there was the name Nick Szabo. Of course, you could dismiss this as pure speculation, but maybe Elon Musk knows more than we do. However, as I already said, I personally don't believe that Szabo is Satoshi. But I guess everyone has their own opinion on that.

Not sure what to think about this whole Elon Musk/crypto thing. He may have a hidden agenda, but the guy does have a history of doing some odd things. Well, at least Musk didn't say Craig Wright was Satoshi. That has to count for something. I wonder if CSW will sue Musk for defamation? lol

Each action would have a particular intent which it isnt known because we dont know on how their mind  works or what plans that they do have on which they do proclaim out things which the entirely

make out reactions on the entire community even if they do know that revealing satoshi is close to impossible thats why he do really make himself bit funny with those kind of claims.

If he does then its good but if not then people would be ending up on having a bad impression to him but well lets see on what happens.

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January 27, 2022, 07:59:30 AM
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Elon can guess so as we so please consider it as very simple guess. Don't over exaggerate its importance because the joke is from Elon.

More important, who is real satoshi nakamoto now not important, isn't it?

It would be nice to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is, right? But I agree that not knowing the personality of Satoshi is detrimental on everyone’s part. Yes, it is a mystery that everyone has been looking forward to unlock but not being able to do so doesn’t result and mean anything bad. We could all guess who Satoshi is, including Elon Musk, by that will be all guesses at the end of the day.
The main thing is that, apparently, we will never know who was hiding under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto. Assumptions and conjectures will remain so and will not add anything to the mystery of the creator of bitcoin. The creator of bitcoin hid his identity well and most of the participants in this market agree that it will be better for bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general.
Elon Musk's speculation about the possible identity of Satoshi Nakamoto does nothing to bring us closer to unraveling this mystery. Let this remain a secret.

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January 27, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
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Whether satoshi is the name of a real person or just a group of people or a powerful organization and they call themselves satoshi nakomoto i am sure anyone who wants to know who satoshi's identity is for sure will not get the result now elon musk the whole world is looking for him who is satoshi nakamoto but no country yet find the answer let alone an Elon Musk forming a team to find out the identity of Satoshi this will definitely be in vain.

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Does it really matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is today? Quite a lot of time has passed so that we have already let go of this issue as not as significant as, for example, what will happen to cryptocurrencies in the coming years. How the governments of countries will behave - to prohibit or legalize cryptocurrencies and their mining, work with them. In my opinion, the choice is obvious - since this is a great way to create a lot of jobs from scratch and, in fact, a new branch of the economy that generates income for the state treasury (taxes). So it doesn’t matter who Satoshi is anymore - what matters is what will happen to his legacy in the world of the cryptocurrency world.

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January 27, 2022, 04:00:39 PM
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Does it really matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is today? Quite a lot of time has passed so that we have already let go of this issue as not as significant as, for example, what will happen to cryptocurrencies in the coming years. How the governments of countries will behave - to prohibit or legalize cryptocurrencies and their mining, work with them. In my opinion, the choice is obvious - since this is a great way to create a lot of jobs from scratch and, in fact, a new branch of the economy that generates income for the state treasury (taxes). So it doesn’t matter who Satoshi is anymore - what matters is what will happen to his legacy in the world of the cryptocurrency world.

We should indeed let Satoshi Nakamoto remain anonymous as he wishes, at least we respect his decision by not finding out his identity.
After all, many people from all over the country have been trying to find out the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto and not a single one
has succeeded. So why are we forcing ourselves to find out who Satoshi Nakamoto really is, we're just wasting our time, because I believe
that no one will be able to find out the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. So it's better to just focus on Bitcoin which is the creation of
Satoshi Nakamoto, because Bitcoin has been proven to provide benefits if we use it well, so use our time for useful things.

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January 27, 2022, 05:29:43 PM
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The debate continues...


And this is a never ending debate. Everyone including Elon Musk can only guess who is Satoshi Nakamoto but no one knows in reality who was he. The only existence of Satoshi Nakamoto is the "Satoshi" account on this forum. Other than this i am not ready to believe if anyone claims himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto.

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Elon has spoken, he's good at guessing but I don't think nick Szabo is the real Satoshi nakamoto . Will Satoshi nakamoto forever remain anonymous?
Let wait and see......
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Elon has spoken, he's good at guessing but I don't think nick Szabo is the real Satoshi nakamoto . Will Satoshi nakamoto forever remain anonymous?
Let wait and see......
Everyone does have their freedom of speech and it is just that a billionaire had made out some guess doesn't mean it would be most likely be Satoshi which is definitely a wrong thing.

Speaking about anonymity of Satoshi then who knows whether he decides to come out or remain hidden forever? People doesn't really stop on finding Satoshi no matter what

which do in results on presuming out people even though it is really just too far off when it comes to probability.

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February 14, 2022, 11:21:27 AM
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Elon has spoken, he's good at guessing but I don't think nick Szabo is the real Satoshi nakamoto . Will Satoshi nakamoto forever remain anonymous?
Let wait and see......
I see that Elon Musk is really looking for opportunities to increase his rating using the topic of cryptocurrency. I don’t know why he needs this, because he is already widely known all over the world thanks to his space exploration and the idea of \u200b\u200bexploring Mars, as well as the Tesla electric car company.
If Satoshi Nakamoto himself does not want to show up, no search for him or guessing who exactly used this pseudonym will give results. It is most likely that this will remain a secret forever.

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February 14, 2022, 01:28:52 PM
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I see that Elon Musk is really looking for opportunities to increase his rating using the topic of cryptocurrency. I don’t know why he needs this, because he is already widely known all over the world thanks to his space exploration and the idea of \u200b\u200bexploring Mars, as well as the Tesla electric car company.
If Satoshi Nakamoto himself does not want to show up, no search for him or guessing who exactly used this pseudonym will give results. It is most likely that this will remain a secret forever.

And with that being said buddy we can't deny that Elon Musk really have had the power to hype a certain project like what he did to Doge. What I mean is I really don't know also what this man really wanted to prove to everyone but without a doubt this man has a power that influences people's decision and choices. But with the fact that he guesses who is bitcoin's mysterious creator Satoshi Nakamoto I don't think so if he could provide the appropriate name for it to reveal to human kind who is Satoshi Nakamoto is.
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February 14, 2022, 03:22:32 PM
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I see that Elon Musk is really looking for opportunities to increase his rating using the topic of cryptocurrency. I don’t know why he needs this, because he is already widely known all over the world thanks to his space exploration and the idea of \u200b\u200bexploring Mars, as well as the Tesla electric car company.
If Satoshi Nakamoto himself does not want to show up, no search for him or guessing who exactly used this pseudonym will give results. It is most likely that this will remain a secret forever.

Something secret certainly makes everyone curious. Some people don't really want further knowledge of who satoshi are, but if someone who can reveal the identity of satoshi is then considered an invention and achievement, people will be busy pursuing that achievement with some research or nothing (just a controversy statement). In fact (imo), the person who can reveal who is satoshi is satoshi.

After all, famous people can be covered in the news media easily. When their exposure has dwindled, they like to do "crazy" or "unnecessary" things.

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