Elon Musk guesses who bitcoin's mysterious creator Satoshi Nakamoto is

[Fesatmas]

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?

Only SN (Satoshi Nakamoto) and NS (Nick Szabo), maybe that's a match. Lol

This makes me think hard and try to find information, even though I'm always not interested in people who claim or are accused of being Satoshi. Because in my eyes Satoshi will still not appear on the surface. That's the principle I hold on to. However, out of curiosity I just surfed the internet and read some articles. Whether what I read is valid or not, at least I know what people are referring to. Regarding the compatibility that experts say between the Bitcoin Whitepapers and the smart contract article Nick Szabo published.

I pondered for a long time and became more and more interested in going through each article referenced. Until Nick's article https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/548/469 then I didn't continue. Because I admit my capacity is not enough to study one article in a short time.

[dothebeats]

I do remember that there was one discussion here in this forum about Satoshi and Nick Szabo's writing style, and there were some examples too, but the post got flooded by 'skeptics' easily which led me to believe that maybe it is too far fetched for someone as genius as Satoshi to pin someone as the creator of bitcoin since that would be giving that someone some form of 'authority' over bitcoin, which he so despises.

Perhaps Elon could just go back to building rockets instead of using the media to gain attention once more. But at least his guess is somewhat sensible, so there's that.

[Fatunad]

I do remember that there was one discussion here in this forum about Satoshi and Nick Szabo's writing style, and there were some examples too, but the post got flooded by 'skeptics' easily which led me to believe that maybe it is too far fetched for someone as genius as Satoshi to pin someone as the creator of bitcoin since that would be giving that someone some form of 'authority' over bitcoin, which he so despises.

Perhaps Elon could just go back to building rockets instead of using the media to gain attention once more. But at least his guess is somewhat sensible, so there's that.

Gaining or Getting attention is what i do believe on what he had been doing these things and we know that as long he do retains his exposure and awareness then that automatically
markets out his company and investments that he do have which is quite a wise thing to be done which it isnt really that surprising for that kind of motive or intent
on mind.

Speaking of breaking those mysteries on whose Satoshi is then this is the most hardest thing and i dont believe that this would be easily be cracked out.
We have seen lots of those self proclaimed satoshis and other investigations but all of those arent still get proved out.

[Wind_FURY]

The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Nick Szabo has always been the leading candidate, but after I learned that he had a talk on stage in an Ethereum conference, I don’t think Satoshi would be that stupid.

Its been claimed linguistic analysis of bitcoin whitepapers best match Nick Szabo's writing style. But I don't remember specifics or examples being cited. Does anyone know which specific words or phrases were claimed to link Nick Szabo's writing style to any of the whitepapers authored by Satoshi Nakamoto?

Satoshi did extra steps to hide his real identity. He programmed in Windows, probably changed the way he coded too. He was also known to use English expressions as if he was English. He wanted people to believe he was also Adam Back perhaps?

[aysg76]

What people don’t realize is that Mr. Mars needs to be always in the media and he’s addicted to it, and now apparently in the absence of some better topic he’s started speculating about who Satoshi Nakamoto might be. The fact is that he knows nothing but what he has read, and he himself admits that some basic things are not clear to him - which does not make him as intelligent a person as many consider him.

This is exactly what i believe and has mentioned same in my post also :

Elon Musk is more famous as Clown musk now because all of his useless twets and he is now becoming like those celebrities who always want publicity but all the btc maximalist hates him due to his fake talks.Like recently he tweeted that Nick Szabo could be Satoshi Nakamoto in recent statement which aroused another Twitter sensation and debate among users.

The same thing happened when he accepted to come at btc discussion among Jack and Cathie wood on Bitcoin event to have a conversation on which we saw he was wearing bitcoin evolution t-shirt and then supporting it also.Then he planned his regular games of tweeting about doge and some other coins to pump and dump scheme for his own personal benefits.I also ignore him as much I can but to some extent also learn what the shit is he posting on twitter to make people on his side but his magic wond has lost it's power with the world realising his manipulation game.There is one thing which we need to understand deeply :

There were speculation regarding Nick Szabo about being the original creator of bitcoin like his previous work if bitgold but later on he himself denied the facts and there are many other reasons for which he was in the list of that could be Satoshi but are not

“As I’ve stated many times before, all this speculation is flattering, but wrong — I am not Satoshi.”

I also opened a thread about the same topic and then Clown musk is spreading rumours to the fools who might have his word and we see it again hyping this trend.


A meme worth understanding...

We all are Satoshi and we don't need to find the real one at last.

[Wind_FURY]

There were speculation regarding Nick Szabo about being the original creator of bitcoin like his previous work if bitgold but later on he himself denied the facts and there are many other reasons for which he was in the list of that could be Satoshi but are not

Satoshi was very smart. Before the Genesis Block, he was already taking those extra, subtle steps to mislead people, and to cause everyone to hypothesize who he truly was, taking them far away from the truth. For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

[pooya87]

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these.

I seriously doubt that. If he did consult anybody half smart in bitcoin community they would have told him to stop repeating the same old arguments that were made many years ago about a pointless topic.
He just seeks more attention and what better topic for attention these days than the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto specially since these days the Scammer Wright made a headline or two.

[Thymoty]

it's just an assumption from Elon, even though it's true that Mr. Szabo is Satoshi, he has to prove it himself to be valid.

btw. I really like Elon's way of joking, even though it's getting less and less funny

[Ararbermas]

If they're right about satoshi nakamoto identity, then what? is there a reward? Because who cares to be honest wherein if satoshi don't want to display his real identity even bitcoin nowadays is so popular and very successful. It's his choice to become anonymous forever so much better to don't bother him anymore. And just be thankful that he bring bitcoin to us.. Lol

[kaya11]

The debate continues...

Elon Musk appears to have a pool of smart people he works with to discuss topics like these. It appears Nick Szabo is the leading candidate in their upper tier of their intelligentsia. If it is Nick Szabo he must be one of those who avoids media attention and the spotlight. In contrast to the Craig Wright's of the world, Szabo tends to keep a low profile.

Thank god, Elon Musk did not claim himself to be Satoshi Nakamoto. You can expect anything from his tweets.
I have stopped following his tweets and words ever since he has started promoting DogeCoin. I don't believe in Elon musk guesses for Satoshi Nakamoto. No one knows who is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Maybe later on he will claim just to be on the spot light when maybe most of his mars plans will be a failure. To gather audience and fame again, he needs a better news and surely say he is Satoshi Nakamoto. This Mars guy is way too much to gain attention, I love his creation, Tesla cars but his personality is the problem. I know this is guys have money and power but never been as good as Nick.

[slaman29]

OP, the debate only continues because people keep picking it up after it has died. I'm sure for a lot of people Elon must be such a genius for figuring this out (or guessing neither here or there as he is quoted).

But I'm also sure the Nick Szabo guesswork has long been done years ago, and probably even with better evidence and stronger points of argument than this Musk guy.

[kryptqnick]

Well, at least it's not Craig Faketoshi. Nick Szabo is actually a computer scientist, and he is at least smart enough to have created Bitcoin. I agree with Musk that his ideas seem fundamental for Bitcoin, and that it doesn't really matter who the founder is. But Nick is definitely not the only one whose ideas seem fundamental. For example, David Chaum's eCash seems close enough and was created in 1995, so is Musk not aware of this guy's existence? Also, I don't think it's reasonable to maintain that someone is Satoshi if this person repeatedly denies it. As for Musk's views being discussed on the forum, I think it's inevitable. He's very popular, and while his opinion doesn't matter as much as it used to (in terms of Bitcoin's price movements), it's still something that many people care about.

[mynonce]

If they're right about satoshi nakamoto identity, then what? is there a reward?

If we knew Satoshi's identity, so we would be able to say/ask him, whether his early mined coins (~1 million) will be moved or not.

[Haunebu]

This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.

[Lucius]

What's next? Will he post about Bitcoin reaching at <insert shockingly big number here> or will post about how bad bitcoin is?

For a person like him, it is certainly not a problem to appear in the media whenever he wants, he just needs to choose one of the offers that he finds most interesting. And it is more evident that he does not have a firm stance when it comes to cryptocurrencies, which makes him a bit ridiculous if we consider that he first buys 40 000+ BTC, and then states that mining of that same BTC destroys the world by consuming too much energy - if 0.2% is too much, he has problems with elementary mathematics.

The same thing happened when he accepted to come at btc discussion among Jack and Cathie wood on Bitcoin event to have a conversation on which we saw he was wearing bitcoin evolution t-shirt and then supporting it also.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.

[Oceat]

This obsession with Satoshi Nakamoto's identity should be added as an achievement in the Guiness book of World Records in my opinion. Personally, I don't care who it is since his/her contributions are all that matter to me.

He/she clearly never had any intention of exposing themself to the entire world which makes sense and I respect his/her decision in this regard.

I'm on the same page as yours, since I also think that Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't expose himself to the public. What we are trying to do here is just guessing and guessing without a proper evidence and is just comparing something that looks plausible. We should stop searching a person who doesn't want to be find and this obsession of finding someone has nothing to gain actually even if you say this is an achievement. We should stop meddling some people's personal life and what Elon Musk did was just a stunts to gain publicity he's been doing that ever since.

[aysg76]

I seriously doubt that. If he did consult anybody half smart in bitcoin community they would have told him to stop repeating the same old arguments that were made many years ago about a pointless topic.
He just seeks more attention and what better topic for attention these days than the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto specially since these days the Scammer Wright made a headline or two.

He didn't need to consult anyone because he is self proclaimed genius who knows all the shit in the market and that's why he sees so many use case of Doge the official currency for his Mars colonization but the other developers who have spent their whole life to contribute to the btc community can't see.The creator of doge doesn't want to return to the project and he thinks he can make people fool out of his rubbish tweet gameplay.Here is one relevant meme describing his situation in much better way :

He needs some serious mind chilling pills to take a break and see the reality but you know in actual he just wants to scam people through these shitcoins by shilling about them on twitter and then people will start investing in it and he will always remain in news and gain profits out of it.But these tricks don't work for long and same is happening with him which is why now Satohsi topic struck in his mind to come back to public.

I watched this event quite by accident, and I must admit that I was surprised by how unprofessional EM was with his overall appearance, as he had obviously just woken up and was not ready to take part in any serious discussion. He is a classic businessman who sets himself up as he sees fit at the moment, which means that we will witness his at least strange statements many more times.

He might have prepared but how can he get himself ready to face off someone knowing the core functioning of bitcoin and clown musk have no idea about what the hell they are going to discuss because no technical knowledge at all.Ofcourse he is businesses person and can issue statement with trend and make profits out of it but he is going off trend in this market.I watched this event and know in advance what's going to happen but the t-shirt was surprising to me.His facial expressions most of the time looks similar to me so not going on that part.

[tyz]

The debate continues...

This is not a new insight. Musk is merely picking up on something that has been discussed for a long time. Nick Szabo has certainly had a big influence on Satosthi through his previous research. Whether it's himself or someone else. I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Sassaman

[ChiBitCTy]

Well there is finally something I agree with Elon on, that Nick Szabo is Satoshi. I’ve spent far too much of my time looking in to this. Not that I want Satoshi to be figured out or to come out with it or whatever, but just because it’s one of the greatest mysteries of all time. Szabo is arguably the worlds most knowledgeable when it comes to crypto.. BitGold, creator of Smart Contracts etc. Also have to ask yourself why Nick doesn’t have a known bitcointalk account.

[Lucius]

For me, Satoshi was Hal Finney.

I personally still believe that Satosthi was Len Sassaman

And then we wonder why EM thinks Nick Szabo is Satoshi, and everyone has their own opinion. Since no one mentioned Wei Dai, I will say that it is possible that he is Satoshi - although he has repeatedly denied this possibility. What we do know is that Satoshi was very familiar with the work of Wei Dai and contacted him several times while working on the project.

Wei Dai and Adam Back were the first two people contacted by Satoshi Nakamoto as he was developing Bitcoin in 2008 and the b-money paper was referenced in the subsequent Bitcoin whitepaper.

In a May 2011 article, noted cryptographer Nick Szabo stated:

Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai)