EU on the way to become a total cesspool

[Tash]

Don't damn dare posting as you please or else driving suspended for a week.
https://summit.news/2022/01/03/all-new-cars-sold-in-eu-to-be-fitted-with-data-recording-black-box
Only a matter of time before retrofiting old cars will be law also.
They certainly on the way to proper depopulate the place, someones loss is anothers gain.

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[franky1]

if the aim is to stop speeding.. then simply put in a speed limiter..

 had an electric bicycle where its motor would not physically exceed the 25kmh(15/3mph) limit of the law for electric bikes.. and guess what it did not require data logging. it simply prevented me from going over 25kmh(15.3mph) from its motor propelling the bike.

.. the foolish thing about these car black boxes, is they can log and timestamp people speeds but they do not stop people from speeding. meaning its not used to prevent speeding. its used for police to get evidence to send people a bill for a EurXXX fine after they have been speeding.
its for making money, not to prevent speeding.

if europe cared more about preventing speeding/car accidents/death due to speeding. black box logging is not the solution. speed limiters are

[mindrust]

They don't want you to use oil-powered cars because they don't want you to travel long distances. If you are going to use planes you need to get stabbed. If you are going to use a car, it should be a 4 wheel computer.

They came up with this EV crap because it would be hard to ban the old petro-cars and give everybody a petro-powered 4 wheel computers without a legit excuse. Climate change crap is the perfect excuse to get rid of the old spy-free cars.

And guess what, people are actually paying from their own pocket to get their own prison cells.

[franky1]

They don't want you to use oil-powered cars because they don't want you to travel long distances. If you are going to use planes you need to get stabbed. If you are going to use a car, it should be a 4 wheel computer.

They came up with this EV crap because it would be hard to ban the old petro-cars and give everybody a petro-powered 4 wheel computers without a legit excuse. Climate change crap is the perfect excuse to get rid of the old spy-free cars.

And guess what, people are actually paying from their own pocket to get their own prison cells.

my EV had no data loggers. .. but im in the UK, not europe. so one bonus of brexit, escape EU laws.

that said yes future vehicles will be more data driven devices. used as evidence after crimes, not used to prevent crimes.
EG instead of putting sensors on a steering wheels of 'self driving' cars to sense touch, to be sure that a driver is ready to operate the vehicle if the 'self driving' element fails. they instead want to put camera's in to watch the driver and if they are not ready to take control if/when an accident happens. the evidence is used after the fact to fine/imprison the driver..

its not about preventing accidents. its not used to prevent crimes. but to convict/fine people for crimes/accidents.

[Tash]

They don't want you to use oil-powered cars because they don't want you to travel long distances. If you are going to use planes you need to get stabbed. If you are going to use a car, it should be a 4 wheel computer.

They came up with this EV crap because it would be hard to ban the old petro-cars and give everybody a petro-powered 4 wheel computers without a legit excuse. Climate change crap is the perfect excuse to get rid of the old spy-free cars.

And guess what, people are actually paying from their own pocket to get their own prison cells.

One of the reasons they hate compressed air powered vehicles. It has limited electrics/electronic and anybody can provide fueling service.
It is also way greener as EV for a number of reasons, and on dedicated fueling stations, the tanks are full in minute or two.
Last a lifetime as very little can break down or need replacing like batteries.
If indent is to move "green" you remove weight not raise it threefold.

Concepts like this been about for over 10 years, and not happening because it does not fit in the mafias agenda.

(Range 200km or even 600)

[franky1]

the issue with compressed air cars is the weight/efficiency ratio.

the weight of compressed air is not as efficient as any other form of propellant/fuel/battery weight per mile travelled.
if they just tried to put more pressured air into the same size tanks. the result is a bomb.
the electric needed to compress the air is also not negligible.

'charging' the car may take 1-2 minutes to do 80mile distance if its using a compressed air "station" that already has compressed air ready to just force into a cars tank at high pressure.. but if at home using a home sized air compressor (like a small trailer/generator on wheels) powered by electric or fuel, would take 4-6 hours to compress and push air into the tank to do the same 80miles of driving distance.

so its not all utopian dream of driving on free air using 2 minutes of charge time.

electric vehicles have better energy store weight to distance economics/efficiency. where charging can be faster and cheaper and lighter. so that is why they went into the EV direction.

the only "aircar" im interested in is a human pilot sized EV drone that can take off and fly me around off the ground.. not a air pressured piston car that only drives on roads.. but before you reply.. i know i know. i can be tracked by radar and have to geolocate myself due to air-regulations concerning flight plans and such.

[Gyfts]

Many new cars already have this, directly installed by the manufacturer and sold to whatever country the company ships vehicles to. Some companies can even remotely control the car and cause the car to become disabled (in the event it is stolen, law enforcement can usually contact providers with access to on board components and remotely stop the vehicle). The question is, what will they use black box data for? Wait till they make it a crime to remove any such "black box" from your own vehicle.

[franky1]

The question is, what will they use black box data for? Wait till they make it a crime to remove any such "black box" from your own vehicle.

UK new drivers (teenagers) can get insurance discount if they put a lil black box in their car, (optional, not mandated)
but here is the thing. you dont get discount until the renewal of second-third year,

without blackbox:
also usually if you dont crash your car your premium does not go up, and goes down because you drove a year with no claims.
also getting to 20yo without a crash premiums drop significantly as you are no longer in the immature 'boy racer' age bracket.

with blackbox:
your insurance can go up even WITHOUT making a claim for an accidents, because the penalise you for:
speeding
long distance
nighttime driving
veering the steering wheel too violently(near misses, speeding round corners, drifting)
over using the brakes(tailgating, not keeping safe distance, not observing hazards ahead)

your insurance wont automatically decrease if no claim, because now the clause has to show that you have not drove inefficiently, unsafely, outside parameters aswell.

[mindrust]

Many new cars already have this, directly installed by the manufacturer and sold to whatever country the company ships vehicles to. Some companies can even remotely control the car and cause the car to become disabled (in the event it is stolen, law enforcement can usually contact providers with access to on board components and remotely stop the vehicle). The question is, what will they use black box data for? Wait till they make it a crime to remove any such "black box" from your own vehicle.

Many new cars have this but that's not the problem. Right now you have a choice. You can buy a used spy-free car or you get one of those new cars. When they ban all those old cars, you won't have a choice.

The problem is the choice.

They don't want you to have any.

[Tash]

Choice the differents of tyranny and freedom. My choice, i don't have any supermarket club card or carry a spyphone around.

[franky1]

Choice the differents of tyranny and freedom.

even in tyranny there is a choice
live by tyranny or die
follow the rules or have hands chopped off
drive a spy car or walk

there is always a choice. you may just not like the options

[Gyfts]

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Insurance companies will provide the data to law enforcement to investigate crashes, because if law enforcement request the data, insurance companies will comply with any requests. Large telecommunications companies do the same when police want to locate geo data of someone's cell phone. It seems innocuous at first, having the insurance companies install a black box to vindicate teen drivers of exorbitant insurance prices. But you give them a little and they will take a lot.

But as I alluded to before, this sort of "mass surveillance state" has been going on for decades. Whether it be cars or not -- ie ISP's routinely monitor user activity and will gladly hand over that data if asked by the government. Car location/data is just another layer to the mass surveillance

[suchmoon]

Take the fucking bus, how hard can it be. It's not like with all the toll cameras and speed traps you aren't already followed 24/7 wherever you drive.

Or ride a bike, even better.

Seriously, everyone wants a 2-ton personal fortress on wheels, doesn't want to care about maintenance or any of that shit, doesn't want to drive under the speed limit or follow any other rules they deem unnecessary, doesn't even want to pay for the car (leasing and whatnot). But yeah let's bitch and moan about stuff manufacturers put into the vehicles you don't even own, for the purpose of dealing with the idiots that you are.

This is like the whole iPhone/Android BS, where people bitching about privacy and whatnot still buy the latest $2000 spyware-ridden gadget.

[franky1]

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Insurance companies will provide the data to law enforcement to investigate crashes, because if law enforcement request the data, insurance companies will comply with any requests. Large telecommunications companies do the same when police want to locate geo data of someone's cell phone. It seems innocuous at first, having the insurance companies install a black box to vindicate teen drivers of exorbitant insurance prices. But you give them a little and they will take a lot.

But as I alluded to before, this sort of "mass surveillance state" has been going on for decades. Whether it be cars or not -- ie ISP's routinely monitor user activity and will gladly hand over that data if asked by the government. Car location/data is just another layer to the mass surveillance

the actual method of ISP is not that they are 'actively monitoring' .. they do not have a team of 1million staff watching 30 screens of everyones live data (30m customers).. instead they just archive the data(recording).. and if something comes up in the future where they need to look closely at someone.. THEN they take a close look at all the historic data.

same with black boxes. its not a live feed to authorities. but it is a data gathering device which at a certain need to look at the historic data, they can.

same with banks. banks dont report every transaction. but store bank statements, and if ever asked for historic data, they provide it.

its not so much a "mass surveillance state" tin foil hat of spies actively watching your every move and giggling every time they see you pull your pants down.. its more of a "mass recording state" just to be more realistic to how it plays in the real world grammatically.

yea. i know tin foil hats love their buzzword. but if they just stopped using tin foil hat bad buzzwords, people might take them more serious..

EG
"mass surveillance state" = "mass recording state"
"chem trails" = "cloud seeding"

[OgNasty]

Today the French President said his unvaccinated citizens are “non-citizens” and that he wants to piss them off. Governments have resorted to flat out trying to intimidate people to take this vaccine now. What a horrible shit show the EU has become. Thank god I don’t have to live there. I honestly feel sorry for anyone who does. I thought the US was becoming oppressive…

[franky1]

he said:

The unvaccinated, I really want to p*** them off. And so, we're going to continue doing so, until the end. That's the strategy

I won't send (the unvaccinated) to prison, I won't vaccinate by force. So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you won't be able to go to the restaurant anymore, you won't be able to down one, won't be able to have a coffee, go to the theatre, the cinema.

those opposed to vaccination undermine the strength of a nation.

When my freedom threatens that of others, I become irresponsible, an irresponsible person is no longer a citizen."

basically if you want to be an outlaw, be an outlaw, dont cry that you want the protection of the law while declining to follow the law

[Cnut237]

EU on the way to become a total cesspool

When I saw the thread title, I thought this was a neat parallel to the UK becoming a total cesspool as a result of Brexit.

one bonus of brexit, escape EU laws.

If you ever want to escape the UK, my advice is don't escape into the water. There be dragons*.







* Sorry, euphemism. There be faeces.



This one appears to have come to life. Must be off the coast of Sellafield.

[mindrust]

Today the French President said his unvaccinated citizens are “non-citizens” and that he wants to piss them off. Governments have resorted to flat out trying to intimidate people to take this vaccine now. What a horrible shit show the EU has become. Thank god I don’t have to live there. I honestly feel sorry for anyone who does. I thought the US was becoming oppressive…

Meanwhile in the UK...

End mass jabs and live with Covid, says ex-head of vaccine taskforce

Dr Clive Dix says we should treat the virus like flu.

Covid should be treated as an endemic virus similar to flu, and ministers should end mass-vaccination after the booster campaign, the former chairman of the UK’s vaccine taskforce has said.

With health chiefs and senior Tories also lobbying for a post-pandemic plan for a straining NHS, Dr Clive Dix called for a major rethink of the UK’s Covid strategy, in effect reversing the approach of the past two years and returning to a “new normality”.

"We need to analyse whether we use the current booster campaign to ensure the vulnerable are protected, if this is seen to be necessary,” he said. “Mass population-based vaccination in the UK should now end."

Worldometer says 1000 people died from covid19 in the US yesterday. There are 50 US states. That means, there were 20 deaths for every US state. That's nothing. The second country with most deaths was Russia (741), and the third one was France (280). This is not like flu, this is flu.

They should just shut the f up and stop this madness like the good doctor said.

[IadixDev]

Today the French President said his unvaccinated citizens are “non-citizens” and that he wants to piss them off. Governments have resorted to flat out trying to intimidate people to take this vaccine now. What a horrible shit show the EU has become. Thank god I don’t have to live there. I honestly feel sorry for anyone who does. I thought the US was becoming oppressive…

yes he wants to put a QR code everywhere, now with the vaccinal pass it's a good thing i'm not going out much

[Cnut237]

Worldometer says 1000 people died from covid19 in the US yesterday. There are 50 US states. That means, there were 20 deaths for every US state. That's nothing. The second country with most deaths was Russia (741), and the third one was France (280). This is not like flu, this is flu.

They should just shut the f up